It just goes to show the level of logic and understanding when people just base their views on the artificial options they are given. "Would you prefer a smack in the mouth or the balls". Hmm, let me think about that one. I guess I have to choose one...
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It just goes to show the level of logic and understanding when people just base their views on the artificial options they are given. "Would you prefer a smack in the mouth or the balls". Hmm, let me think about that one. I guess I have to choose one...
Agree with all that, I was just trying to say that Merkel not telling May to feck off with her plan might make it more of a possibility than I thought it might be. I'm not one on here that claims certain knowledge of the future, and if I see new information I'll try and interpret it as best I can.
The best outcome for everyone is that the UK stay in the EU (even though the Brexiters don't realise it).
Merkel is encouraged that the UK have relented on some points and that maybe May will relent on much much more.
But why do people think that the EU are going to change the rules to suit the UK?
"No second referendum under any circumstances.."
like there would be "no snap election?
We can only hope.
like there would be "no snap election?
We can only hope.
Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you or your post, was meant as a royal you.
Agree that the two meeting just before May announced her plan indicates some level of approval from Merkel.
I didn't think there would be a second referendum, but I'm having second thoughts on that as well now. After all, referenda do seem to be the Tories go to solution for solving their own internal splits, and these are obviously getting worse rather than better. For a second referendum to work though I think it would have to be part of the negotiations with the EU in the first place, in that they knew there would be one at the end of negotiations. The idea at one time seemed to be that a second referendum would force the EU to offer better terms, which always seemed bollocks to me.
And then we have Labour. I've seen several Labour MPs asked whether they want a second referendum and the answers are pitiful .. er, well, we haven't er called for one, well we're not ruling one out, but er.
Yep. That's what I think but say it and you'll get a barrage of abuse. I watched every single moment that I could of the referendum campaign and I am telling you 80% of what is now known about it was ever mentioned. So how it can have been an 'informed' vote I do not know.
Mostly a protest vote in my opinion. Give the government a bloody nose - but they have torn their own off as a result. Fecking madness!
I would also wager that vey few people who work in car, aerospace or large scale manufacturing voted leave.
Pensioners, self-employed, retail etc. where the (mistaken) view would be that leaving won't make any difference to their lives.
Plus disgruntled (verging on racist) people who'd rather see their high street boarded up than tolerate a Polish supermarket opening.
Taking our jobs indeed! I hope that all those people will flock to the fields later this year and make sure all our fruit and veg doesn't rot on the vine or in the ground.
On the Today programme Sir Bernard Jenkin reckons that industry's concerns are merely them trying to protect bottom lines. If they don't create a profit how are they going to employ people?
Totally staggering!
I have always been conservative in my views and always thought that the Tories were the party of business. But this and other comments about business from the likes of Bojo are appalling as far as I'm concerned.
When it all goes to rat shit you won't find a single person who'll admit to voting leave.
Gove is the devil.
Its survival
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we are dealing with.
Pathetic stuff yet again.
There is no such thing as a principled Tory.
May has accepted all of Mogg's amendments. So strong and stable.
The only thing I can see stopping a no deal brexit is another referendum.
Pretty clear that party can't negotiate a deal.
The only thing I can see stopping a no deal brexit is another referendum.
Pretty clear that party can't negotiate a deal.
Hang them all. Literally the only solution.
Margret Thatcher? Principles from Beelzebub, yes, but principles none the less.
If we follow the Brexit approach I imagine the plan will be to hang them but without any rope.
Her principled stance against spending other people's money didn't even follow her to her grave.
Yeah the EU will never accept it so there are now only two options available - referendum or no deal. Since in my view no deal will never make it past Parliament then its looking like we get another referendum and/or general election
They will never agree anything amongst themselves, let alone with the EU.
Summer recess in 4 days, back in September, another month of squabbling and it'll be too late.
Feels like things will inevitably come to a head soon. I know it's been the done thing to say May's not got long left but genuinely think she might not have long left at this point.
Nobody wants to be leader right now though - they want to ensure that when May goes she gets blamed for everything so the next person can come to power clean - I reckon the next leader of the Tories will likely be somebody not tainted by all of this so possibly somebody not that well known yet.
Nice, Farage and the rest of his shit cnuts will have plenty of opportunities to make a killing thanks to the turmoil of sterling in the markets.
The amendments have destroyed her proposals as far as far as I can see. I was just about getting my head round them too.
And I hate laughing smilies, so, apologies, but I think I may be losing my mind.
The ERG can ensure no deal even without parliament being involved. Just spoil everything till May runs out of time.
True, but feels like push has to come to shove eventually. And probably soon.
Yeah, the amendments are essentially reversals of her negotiating position. The paper is useless.The amendments have destroyed her proposals as far as far as I can see. I was just about getting my head round them too.
And I hate laughing smilies, so, apologies, but I think I may be losing my mind.
We're absolutely fecked.
And in the meantime, businesses are just going to wait and see what happens , yeah right .. or perhaps they'll decide they need to take steps sooner than later.
Transition period, you're having a laugh...
Transition period, you're having a laugh...
For you Englishmen - how well spread is Brexit support truly in your circles? I. E. Other than my insane in laws I know very few people who don't rip on Trump every opportunity they get - and I know a pretty diverse crowd. Just curious if they seemingly large amount of support in the referendum at the time matches the reality on the streets.
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Well given the US voting figures you obviously don't know a pretty diverse crowd, or you'd know a lot more Trump supporters wouldn't you? To be fair that probably goes for all of us, it's a case of whether one has the imagination to realise it.
LOL
Let's just say I know plenty of people who are members of the RNC and either are close to or have held high functions in the party. That's probably indicative enough of the diversity in the sense those are the ones you d figure have nowhere to hide. I do know there are plenty around who support Trump. Some are even friends. But at the very least they re not openly admitting they support him. I would figure it's the same in the case of Brexit.
Ok, sorry mate, when you said you knew very few people who were anti-Trump I thought you meant you knew very few people who were anti-Trump.
Anna Soubry pretending to give a toss about ordinary and even vulnerable people, before following the government into the voting lobbies. Rinse and repeat.
Article 50 revoked and another election
She's rebelled against her party on Brexit a number of times. But when someone is only interested in who it is speaking rather than what it is they say, rinse and repeat is probably right.
"Hi"
You're a Tory talking rubbish
"Hi"
It's Jez, let him speak!
Tribal politics at a time when the country needs a sensible, cross-party solution to this absolute shit storm is the worst.