I need clarity, a document with clear WTO denouncing GFA. Not 'by proxy ' arrangements. If there's nothing, just say it.
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What clarity are you looking for? And why would a document denounce the GFA? You are making no sense.
Because nothing you argue says there should be a hard border, unless you point me to the right clause. If WTO rules state that the GFA is void when uk leave eu i want to read that.
If we want to leave the single market then freedom of movement cannot continue, ergo we need a hard border. If we don't things stay the same. The former would put the GFA in jeopardy by eliminating freedom of movement between NI and Ireland.
May is really mulling over a proposal that has two tariff regimes in one country?
Feck me.
Feck me.
I know, I thought I was seeing things when I read that just now. Unbelievable stuff. Britain’s parliamentarians have really let Britain (and the rest of us) down.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-see-off-revolt-ahead-of-key-brexit-summit
Since when did this British Empire bullshit become ok for a prime minister to say openly? Why the feck would the US, Australia and NZ be special cases that it's really important for us to trade more with? Is the money from a majority white English speaking country suddenly worth more than any other?
Although I did enjoy..
Ffs..
Ffs..
First I haven't argued that the GFA was void when the UK leave the EU, the same way that I didn't argue that Art.50 had anything to do with it, those are both coming from you.
But the legal framework that allows freedom of movement is for the UK and ROI within full EU membership, it's the combination of the Single market and the EUCU, so that's one thing that the UK eliminated and that's what needs to be replaced if the UK and the EU wants to be able to protect their respective markets and virtually have no border controls.
To be totally explicit, you can move goods outside of agreements but if you do then you will have to grant the same type of rights to every other member of the WTO which is bad for the UK and the EU. So the UK needs to find a way to at the same time not have border/custom checks between ROI and NI and make sure that tariffs and custom checks are applied, and at this point they failed to come up with a solution. This last point is based on GATT, the first article and the 14th.
And before you ask about where things are written, tariffs and border control are part of the UK's white paper. UK's own red lines.
The funny thing is that it actually makes sense.
I can't remember who said "Brexit will defeat Brexit". He was bang on.
Even Nick Clegg is against this proposal!
Blimey. It must be bad if the bloke who backed Andrew Lansley's NHS reforms to the hilt is against it.
Worth reading
God forbid anyone might want to back the right policy instead of wondering what might work best at the polls.
When people said Corbyn was a man of principle I wouldn't have guessed the principle they had in mind was "votes are more important than rational policy".
Brexiteers bottled it. They all signed up to it.
Cabinet agrees to negotiate a soft Brexit.
This it's going to end up being Norway plus CU.
Called it. Now, let's see if the hard Brexit kids resign their posts.
Seems they all signed up to it.
What does this mean then? Is anything going to be different?
The agreement makes FTA with Murica almost impossible. Dont see the point of Fox's department.
@DailyMailReporter is gonna be busy
All this is what May is going to as for. Must be noted it's not what she will get. Shes basically asked for a common market for goods, not services and regulatory alignment on a bunch of things. This is the expectation of her best possible deal and the most she can possibly get. What it means is in the most likely scenario, she ends up ceding on the common market for services (free movement) and also a customs union. We will basically be an EU country in all but name.
I'd love to see the back of him. Pointless little man.
It will mean that the government can say they "listened to the people" but keep companies happy in terms of trading (they're hoping). Basically, no change apart from we'll probably have to pay more for the deal and we will have no influence in the EU. Of course the EU have had no say on this cabinet agreement so will probably refuse it anyway.
Added bonus if Liam fox gets kicked to the kerb. In this day and age with Trump’s isolationist policies in favour, an FTA was with the US was always going to be difficult
So we’re basically trying to make sure everything remains the same... and we lose our vote on everything.
Makes Brexit completely pointless, but I'd rather that than the utter insanity of a hard Brexit. Sense prevails.
Excellent result. Only the lunatics on each side will be annoyed so that makes it even better
I'll be disappointed if there are no resignations. Boris, Gove and Davis could not have made all this noise for nothing?
Precisely. Not ideal but a lot better than the alternative.
Boris never gave a feck anyway. Only ever did this to advance his career and that's mostly down the pan anyway. Davis I could see resigning maybe, Gove's lucky to be in government at all and will probably have no influence if he goes.
I think a free trade agreement with trump was at best unlikely and once he has gone the USA will pursue a trade deal with Europe far more vigorously than they will with the UK... So I don't see it changes anything
Especially as I fully Expect the EU to hand the proposal back with red pen saying no cherry picking
The people saying there's no point leaving have a point. I can only see the calls to call the whole thing off getting louder but it's politically impossible.
Well that all depends on the details. If we’re out the EU we are out the EU and we’ll move from there
Tantrums.
Common sense would be to call it all off but yeah we have too many cnuts in this country.