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[Paul the Wolf]

What Brexiters fail to understand is that you can always find other people to buy your products but if you can't produce your products you have nothing to sell.

Thus as cars are a major export of the UK, not only to the EU but especially worldwide, if they no longer have any car makers they've got no cars to sell.

 

[JPRouve]

Its an imperfect union, but it's working on it

But what he is suggesting is only relevant in a federal system which the EU isn't because no member state want it at the moment, not Greece, not Italy or Hungary.

 

[C3Pique]

Imagine my surprise.

I had a conversation with my Dad about Brexit last year - he's more intelligent than me, well read, and doesn't believe everything he reads - and he could only say that the german car makers would ensure we get a good deal.

I explained the complexities of UK car manufacturing and their dependency on free movement and it was like talking to a wall. Scary how many people believed in this bollocks.

 

[JPRouve]

Imagine my surprise.

I had a conversation with my Dad about Brexit last year - he's more intelligent than me, well read, and doesn't believe everything he reads - and he could only say that the german car makers would ensure we get a good deal.

I explained the complexities of UK car manufacturing and their dependency on free movement and it was like talking to a wall. Scary how many people believed in this bollocks.

And the German manufacturers do not control Germany let alone the other 27 member states.

 

[4bars]

I agree with that to an extent about Greece, however the response has a lot to do with domestic politics as opppsed to the EU. Similarly for the immigration crisis. If their was no EU the crisis would still have happened, Italy and Greece would still be alone and dealing with a large number of refugees. Atleast with the EU there might be a collective response.

I believe the EU is the only hope for lefty politics. Against the competition from mega nations like the US and China and the globe straddling power of multinational corporations only the EU as a collective, and not our individual nations have a chance of holding a higher standard for consumers. Personally I don't think it does a bad job in that regard currently It's unionism for nations

An idealistic EU is a very good idea, the problem is that is not working on the ideals that they proclaim but is becoming more and more a servant of the private sector. Is definitely not going in the good direction but in the opposite one. But of course is only my opinion and my perception.

For economic purposes, the bigger the better. For social purposes, IMO the smaller the better. Decentralization is key and the EU is amassing a huge amount of power and it wants to concentrate even more. That concentration of power only makes it easier for the ones that want to control the economy with non-ethical intentions.

I will not continue with this derailing though. Sorry I will not answer in this thread

 

[JPRouve]

An idealistic EU is a very good idea, the problem is that is not working on the ideals that they proclaim but is becoming more and more a servant of the private sector. Is definitely not going in the good direction but in the opposite one. But of course is only my opinion and my perception.

For economic purposes, the bigger the better. For social purposes, IMO the smaller the better. Decentralization is key and the EU is amassing a huge amount of power and it wants to concentrate even more. That concentration of power only makes it easier for the ones that want to control the economy with non-ethical intentions.

I will not continue with this derailing though. Sorry I will not answer in this thread

The EU is based on the EEC, it's first mission is economic and for the private sector. You are confusing you ideal with the EU.

 

[Sweet Square]

If their was no EU the crisis would still have happened, Italy and Greece would still be alone and dealing with a large number of refugees. Atleast with the EU there might be a collective response.

The EU is hardly helping.

 

[4bars]

The EU is based on the EEC, it's first mission is economic and for the private sector. You are confusing you ideal with the EU.

The EU has laws and tribunals that decides on absolutely everything. Human rights for example. The origins are in the Ruhr agreement but is way more complex and they want to go even more complex than an economic union. Another matter is that Money talks and is where they get serious and precisely for that matter they have as secondary anything else and they will bypass, trample and destroy anything that goes against their economic agenda that is exactly the same as the US (and others). Just little by little without noticing.

I fell for it again sorry!

 

[Abizzz]

The EU is hardly helping.

Yes it is helping. Both those tweets actually describe how it is helping. It may not help to the extent you would like, but that doesn't mean it isn't helping.

 

[JPRouve]

The EU has laws and tribunals that decides on absolutely everything. Human rights for example. The origins are in the Ruhr agreement but is way more complex and they want to go even more complex than an economic union. Another matter is that Money talks and is where they get serious and precisely for that matter they have as secondary anything else and they will bypass, trample and destroy anything that goes against their economic agenda that is exactly the same as the US (and others). Just little by little without noticing.

I fell for it again sorry!

You know that it's not the case but still spread this nonsense? While there are common rules, every country has fairly different policies and rules. As for Human Rights, the EU follows pretty much the ECHR which comes from the Council of Europe.

 

[Ramshock]

Being a member of the EU. Your economy is the size of a gnat compared to the US, any time they wanted to bully a concession from you they could. This round of tarrifs might not hurt you much directly but the next round? You might need some mates then

The US economy is worth $18 triliion and the EU economy is worth $15 trllion., How the hell does one make the other look like a gnat? They are #1 and #2 respectively. Why do you think Trump and his boss Putin are colluding to bring them down?

 

[Sweet Square]

Yes it is helping. Both those tweets actually describe how it is helping. It may not help to the extent you would like, but that doesn't mean it isn't helping.

You might want to give those tweets another read.

 

[Ramshock]

The EU has laws and tribunals that decides on absolutely everything. Human rights for example. The origins are in the Ruhr agreement but is way more complex and they want to go even more complex than an economic union. Another matter is that Money talks and is where they get serious and precisely for that matter they have as secondary anything else and they will bypass, trample and destroy anything that goes against their economic agenda that is exactly the same as the US (and others). Just little by little without noticing.

I fell for it again sorry!

Stop spreading falsehoods please.

 

[Massive Spanner]

The US economy is worth $18 triliion and the EU economy is worth $15 trllion., How the hell does one make the other look like a gnat? They are #1 and #2 respectively. Why do you think Trump and his boss Putin are colluding to bring them down?

Pretty sure he means the Irish economy, not the EU economy?

 

[4bars]

Stop spreading falsehoods please.

Extend why they are falsehoods

Or in another words. Accept criticism

 

[Abizzz]

You might want to give those tweets another read.

So I've read them again and they still say the same. They are turning back boats and patrolling 30 miles off of Italy, both of which is helping Italy.

 

[Ramshock]

Pretty sure he means the Irish economy, not the EU economy?

Ok that makes it a stupid fecking post then because as a member of the EU the US cant single out Ireland on anything. Just like Trumpler when he wanted to cut a deal with Merkel thinking that was possible to deal only with Germany. Ireland comes as a package with the EU as the brits are finding out over the border issue. Ireland also has a highly skilled work force that US multinationals would begrudge giving up. Theres nothing to be gained by Ireland leaving the EU, it would be a disaster. Its basically only a West Brit on redcafes dream.

 

[Ramshock]

Extend why they are falsehoods

Or in another words. Accept criticism

Why am I to accept criticism? I am not the EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36247456

 

[Ramshock]

Extend why they are falsehoods

Or in another words. Accept criticism

Also name a law made by the EU that you want changed.

Maybe you can do better than this guy.

 

[Adisa]

The EU has laws and tribunals that decides on absolutely everything. Human rights for example. The origins are in the Ruhr agreement but is way more complex and they want to go even more complex than an economic union. Another matter is that Money talks and is where they get serious and precisely for that matter they have as secondary anything else and they will bypass, trample and destroy anything that goes against their economic agenda that is exactly the same as the US (and others). Just little by little without noticing.

I fell for it again sorry!

Jesus!

 

[Simbo]

Imagine my surprise.

I had a conversation with my Dad about Brexit last year - he's more intelligent than me, well read, and doesn't believe everything he reads - and he could only say that the german car makers would ensure we get a good deal.

I explained the complexities of UK car manufacturing and their dependency on free movement and it was like talking to a wall. Scary how many people believed in this bollocks.

Same situation with my dad, couldn't believe it when I first realised he was voting Brexit, but there was no debating with him, he got pretty heated about it. He gets all his news from the daily mail unfortunately.

 

[Mozza]

The US economy is worth $18 triliion and the EU economy is worth $15 trllion., How the hell does one make the other look like a gnat? They are #1 and #2 respectively. Why do you think Trump and his boss Putin are colluding to bring them down?

I meant the Irish economy alone

 

[Mozza]

Ok that makes it a stupid fecking post then because as a member of the EU the US cant single out Ireland on anything. Just like Trumpler when he wanted to cut a deal with Merkel thinking that was possible to deal only with Germany. Ireland comes as a package with the EU as the brits are finding out over the border issue. Ireland also has a highly skilled work force that US multinationals would begrudge giving up. Theres nothing to be gained by Ireland leaving the EU, it would be a disaster. Its basically only a West Brit on redcafes dream.

The poster I was replying to was talking about Ireland leaving the EU because the tarrifs didn't target them so why should they take part in the retaliation

 

[Mozza]

The EU has laws and tribunals that decides on absolutely everything. Human rights for example. The origins are in the Ruhr agreement but is way more complex and they want to go even more complex than an economic union. Another matter is that Money talks and is where they get serious and precisely for that matter they have as secondary anything else and they will bypass, trample and destroy anything that goes against their economic agenda that is exactly the same as the US (and others). Just little by little without noticing.

I fell for it again sorry!

EU law needs to pass national governments and at anyone time there are enough left wingers around to halt any excessive moves to the right.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Also name a law made by the EU that you want changed.

Maybe you can do better than this guy.

This can’t be fecking real. Must be someone on a wind up having a bet with his mates

 

[Ramshock]

This can’t be fecking real. Must be someone on a wind up having a bet with his mates

thats what lots of people think when they hear the brexiteers call into his show. They accuse him of bullying them. All he does is ask for an explanation for things..

 

[Ramshock]

The poster I was replying to was talking about Ireland leaving the EU because the tarrifs didn't target them so why should they take part in the retaliation

Thats not gonna happen so the whole thing is moot. Its just a West Brit fantasy.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

thats what lots of people think when they hear the brexiteers call into his show. They accuse him of bullying them. All he does is ask for an explanation for things..

I’m confused between wanting to beat the imbecile to death with a banana or send him a card of condolance for that death by utter humiliation

 

[Sweet Square]

So I've read them again and they still say the same. They are turning back boats and patrolling 30 miles off of Italy, both of which is helping Italy.

Er it's not helping the people on the boats who are dying.

 

[Ramshock]

 

[Adisa]

 

[Ramshock]

Someone needs to put that goggle eyed cockgoblin in prison

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Someone needs to put that goggle eyed cockgoblin in prison

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

 

[AltiUn]

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

Seeing people chanting "free Tommy Robinson" is just appalling, he's a cnut of the highest order but his cult seem to view him as a martyr.

 

[horsechoker]

Seeing people chanting "free Tommy Robinson" is just appalling, he's a cnut of the highest order but his cult seem to view him as a martyr.

It stems from a lack of understanding of why Tommy Robinson was arrested. His supporters view him as someone who is willing to take on the authorities over their covering up of Muslim grooming gangs when in actual fact his actions were disruptive to the trial of people who took part in this and could have perverted the course of justice. I actually at one time had some hope for Robinson when he joined Quilliam and left the EDL for becoming too right-wing but he seems to have reverted to type joining Rebel Media, pushing fake news stories and half-true/false personal anecdotes.

 

[Kentonio]

It stems from a lack of understanding of why Tommy Robinson was arrested. His supporters view him as someone who is willing to take on the authorities over their covering up of Muslim grooming gangs when in actual fact his actions were disruptive to the trial of people who took part in this and could have perverted the course of justice. I actually at one time had some hope for Robinson when he joined Quilliam and left the EDL for becoming too right-wing but he seems to have reverted to type joining Rebel Media, pushing fake news stories and half-true/false personal anecdotes.

The cnut was clearly just trying to clean up his image a bit to try and get media work.

 

[C3Pique]

 

[GloryHunter07]

Leavers are terrified .... it will be snatched away

 

[Barca84]

Can you imagine? You've seen the uproar when they put 'hero of the people' Tommy Robinson inside.

Let's call him by his real name of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and not that cartoon Engish pseudonym he's adopted?

 

[Dobba]

I see the Leave campaign have sent Blair back on to Radio 4.