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As much as I hate May, I detest the smugness of that prick Johnson. This is not a game but the future of the country, you blonde buffoon.
 
As much as I hate May, I detest the smugness of that prick Johnson. This is not a game but the future of the country, you blonde buffoon.

He gets that word thrown at him a lot and it is time we stopped acting as though he is thick. This man knows EXACTLY what he is doing he is a manipulative prick and does anything and everything with a purpose. The end game for him will be personal not for the benefit of the country or his party.

People need to stop brushing him off as some idiot, it is what he wants.
 
He gets that word thrown at him a lot and it is time we stopped acting as though he is thick. This man knows EXACTLY what he is doing he is a manipulative prick and does anything and everything with a purpose. The end game for him will be personal not for the benefit of the country or his party.

People need to stop brushing him off as some idiot, it is what he wants.

While I always think he gets too much credit for his obvious acts of idiocy, I recognise it is not by virtue of his lack of intelligence he takes these actions.

I use the word as a way of describing how reckless his actions are, not so much the size of his IQ.
 
He gets that word thrown at him a lot and it is time we stopped acting as though he is thick. This man knows EXACTLY what he is doing he is a manipulative prick and does anything and everything with a purpose. The end game for him will be personal not for the benefit of the country or his party.

People need to stop brushing him off as some idiot, it is what he wants.

I'd be more inclined to agree he isn't an idiot if that wasn't so blatantly transparent. Ok he's not a total moron but he isn't clever by any stretch.
 
Sick burn and will always enjoy it when that happens to May, but I fecking hate parliament. It's a wonder we ever got anywhere, but no wonder we don't move forward as fast and as well as we should. It's a shitshow.
 
It appears the government fecked up and hardly anyone noticed.

"Earlier I said that, at the start of the EU withdrawal bill debate, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve and Sir Keir Starmer said an amendment passed yesterday with virtually no attention paid to it would effectively keep the UK in the single market. (See 1.55pm and 2.41pm.)

This is what Clarke, the Conservative former chancellor, said about the amendment.

It was the most significant thing that happened yesterday, but in the circus that surrounded everything, and the timetable that stopped us debating it, nobody so far has taken any notice. The legally binding commitment yesterday extends the needs of the Irish border to the whole of the United Kingdom. So we’re talking about Dover, and we settled that yesterday. We’re not having a border down the Irish sea, so the United Kingdom has got to negotiate an arrangement with the EU as a whole that has no new frontier barriers. So effectively we are going to reproduce the customs union and the single market and the government will not be able to comply with yesterday’s legal obligation unless it does so."
 
It appears the government fecked up and hardly anyone noticed.

"Earlier I said that, at the start of the EU withdrawal bill debate, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve and Sir Keir Starmer said an amendment passed yesterday with virtually no attention paid to it would effectively keep the UK in the single market. (See 1.55pm and 2.41pm.)

This is what Clarke, the Conservative former chancellor, said about the amendment.

It was the most significant thing that happened yesterday, but in the circus that surrounded everything, and the timetable that stopped us debating it, nobody so far has taken any notice. The legally binding commitment yesterday extends the needs of the Irish border to the whole of the United Kingdom. So we’re talking about Dover, and we settled that yesterday. We’re not having a border down the Irish sea, so the United Kingdom has got to negotiate an arrangement with the EU as a whole that has no new frontier barriers. So effectively we are going to reproduce the customs union and the single market and the government will not be able to comply with yesterday’s legal obligation unless it does so."

That sounds great. Any opinions on whether this will work?
 
As much as I hate May, I detest the smugness of that prick Johnson. This is not a game but the future of the country, you blonde buffoon.

Clowns like Johnson don't give a feck about the country or anyone in it. They are only in it for their own benefit.
 
I love Tory and Labour Brexit thinking on the CU/SM
Never mind the millions of other problems this will bring to the UK if they leave, notably NI.

What is clear is that not having a frictionless border with the EU will mean the end of the car manufacturing industry in the UK.
They want to leave the CU/SM so that they can make their own trade deals, even ignoring that unicorn.

The countries they want to deal with, for example:
USA, Australia, China, Canada, New Zealand

What currently is the UK's biggest export, by far, to those countries; yes, it's cars.
So when Fox tries to get the FTA with those countries and they say yes, we're interested in maintaining or even increasing your car supply, Fox says "Sorry we don't make cars any more. Can I interest you in a pork pie?"
 
Pretty worrying circumstances the last few days. You have the tabloids with their front pages declaring any dissenting MP's traitors 2 (?) years after Jo Cox was murdered for pretty much doing just that. Death threats, Conservatives being in the back pockets of Russia. The farce that was forcing through everything with as little debate as possible in one day and the PM making contradictory promises to members of her own party. Then it seems that the only reaction the leader of the opposition can manage is to make a shit joke about how incompetent the person in charge of negotiations is at negotiating, so his backbenchers can scream down the head of state with a ridiculous fake laugh and one of her most senior ministers can publicly embarrass her for the thousandth time.
 
If you can't point and laugh at someone who, just over a year ago, was spouting on endlessly about her strong and stable leadership I'm not sure you can ever laugh at anyone for anything.
Pointing and laughing is fine but i am not sure Jezza is really offering a viable alternative solution on Brexit.

Good joke though.
 
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Pointing and laughing is fine but i am not sure Jezza is really offering a viable alternative solution on Brexit.

Good joke though.


Nonsense. The Tories want a pie in the sky deal where they can keep all the benefits of a customs union and single market without any of the obligations like freedom of movement. Whereas Labour want a pie in the sky deal where they can keep all the benefits of a customs union and single market without any of the obligations like freedom of movement.

If you can't call that credible opposition then what is. They're also opposing UKIP's xenophobic immigration policy by mirroring UKIP's xenophobic immigration policy.

But I for one am pleased the party is being led by a man of principle and not some kind of electoral opportunist who sees winning votes as the be all and end all. The reason Labour oppose freedom of movement is because of Corbyn's deeply held conviction that not doing so might be politically disadvantageous.
 
I like how Johnson isn't even remotely subtle about what he's doing. Stabbing in the back? More like stabbing in the front.
 
I like how Johnson isn't even remotely subtle about what he's doing. Stabbing in the back? More like stabbing in the front.

Some might say that’s morally better, although it’s hard to shake the feeling he probably aimed for the back and missed.
 
I like how Johnson isn't even remotely subtle about what he's doing. Stabbing in the back? More like stabbing in the front.

He wants to be sacked from the cabinet in order to; not only avoid any stains from Brexit but also to profit from any fallout. As it stands Brexit goes on his CV.

May knows this and 1. won't give him the satisfaction - but 2. can't afford to sack him as the fractures could see her government implode.
 
Nonsense. The Tories want a pie in the sky deal where they can keep all the benefits of a customs union and single market without any of the obligations like freedom of movement. Whereas Labour want a pie in the sky deal where they can keep all the benefits of a customs union and single market without any of the obligations like freedom of movement.

If you can't call that credible opposition then what is. They're also opposing UKIP's xenophobic immigration policy by mirroring UKIP's xenophobic immigration policy.

But I for one am pleased the party is being led by a man of principle and not some kind of electoral opportunist who sees winning votes as the be all and end all. The reason Labour oppose freedom of movement is because of Corbyn's deeply held conviction that not doing so might be politically disadvantageous.
There is a party opposed to brexit but no one voted for them, whys that? Maybe the majority of brits are in favour of brexit or politics isnt just about 1 topic. You decide
 
He wants to be sacked from the cabinet in order to; not only avoid any stains from Brexit but also to profit from any fallout. As it stands Brexit goes on his CV.

May knows this and 1. won't give him the satisfaction - but 2. can't afford to sack him as the fractures could see her government implode.
Credit where its due, at least May is keeping Boris & DDs feet to the fire. If she goes down with the ship so should they.
 
There is a party opposed to brexit but no one voted for them, whys that? Maybe the majority of brits are in favour of brexit or politics isnt just about 1 topic. You decide


Would that be the SNP who without convincing their pro-European electorate it is impossible for the Labour party to ever win an election?
 
There is a party opposed to brexit but no one voted for them, whys that? Maybe the majority of brits are in favour of brexit or politics isnt just about 1 topic. You decide
I see you are still trying to palm blame off onto anyone but Brexiters.
 
I see you are still trying to palm blame off onto anyone but Brexiters.
There's no 'trying' about it. The choice at the general election was quite clear, Liberals against brexit, Conservatives and Labour for. If you didn't get that then, as the cartoon says, you should have paid more fecking attention. Apologies to the Scots by the way, I can't help being English.
 
To be fair, as far as electoral policies go, you can't really expect young people to look any deeper than *NO TUITION FEES*.

Sort of like magpies and tin foil.

Do old people look any further than winter fuel allowance? Do parents look any further than [insert whatever the feck parents care about most]?

The problem isn’t young people, it’s just that we have a grotesquely ill-informed voting public who are strangely proud of that ignorance. It seems to be the big weakness of democracy. People insist on having the right to vote, yet after a few generations of comfort and stability they stopped caring about the details of what they’re actually voting for.
 
There's no 'trying' about it. The choice at the general election was quite clear, Liberals against brexit, Conservatives and Labour for. If you didn't get that then, as the cartoon says, you should have paid more fecking attention. Apologies to the Scots by the way, I can't help being English.
Thankyou - i got it, im not as thick as you think i am.

Perhaps many of the electorate didnt realise that the General Election was a re-run of the referendum? Who knows.
 
I see you are still trying to palm blame off onto anyone but Brexiters.
I blame anyone NOT happy with Brexit but voted for Cameron

After the vote I Blame anyone no REALLY NOT HAPPY that not only voted the tories back in but voted labour in to 2nd

It's not Brexiteers that gave you the non binding ref is it? It was 'call me' Dave
 
No I totally agree. Vast majority of the electorate are only ever capable of one-policy voting.

Just that young people voting Labour for tuition fees and then moaning about their Brexit approach is a perfect example of it.

The ComRes survey shows overwhelming support for plans to re-nationalise energy, tax the wealthiest and cap the pension age rise.
Renationalising the railways is backed by 52% of voters, with 22% opposed and 26% don’t know, while nationalising the energy market is supported by 49% with 24% against and 28% don’t know.

And renationalising the Royal Mail which is backed by 50% of voters, with 25% opposed and 25% don’t know.

Labour’s most popular policies include banning zero hours contracts with 71% in favour and just 16% against.
Labour’s pledge to limit the state pension age to 66 is supported 74% of voters, with 15% against and 11% don’t know.

A majority of voters also back Labour’s plans to build 100,000 more council houses a year (54% to 24%) and abolish university tuition fees (46% to 37%).

The tuition fees were the least popular of his manifesto.

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