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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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None. It is in the interest of of a united EU that we don't benefit from leaving.


EU's preferences of outcome surely has to be.

1) UK ends up staying in EU after all

2) It crashes out and suffers terribly acting as an ever-lasting disincentive for anyone else thinking of following their lead.


Never understood how people were convinced the EU were willing to make leaving at all an attractive proposition. Even if it does damage the remaining 27 economically, it's likely to be considered a hit worth taking in the long run and in any even collectively they'll be impacted a lot less than we will, proportionally.
 
Banks and Wigmore getting grilled now. Apparently Wigmore immediately asked the committee chair to recuse because he accepted Chelsea tickets once. Response: “Nice try, Mr Wigmore’.

This is going to be a clown car performance.


What the feck has this got to do with Leave.EU? Oh... right.

Leave.EU co-founder Aaron Banks:
OK so here we go:

westmonster.com whois lookup:

ADMINISTRATIVE CONTACT
Name:
Domains Administrator

Organization:
Eldon Insurance Services Limited

Street:
Lysander House Catbrain Lane, Cribbs Causeway

City:
Bristol

State:
South Gloucestershire

Postal Code:
BS10 7TQ

Country:
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Phone:
+44.8449029778

Email:
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@eldoninsurance.co.uk


Eldon Insurance Services Founder: Arron Banks

In November 2017, the Electoral Commission announced that it is investigating whether election rules were broken during the EU referendum, in donations worth a total of £8.4 million to Leave.EU campaigners made by Banks and by Better for the Country Ltd, a company of which Banks is a registered director.


Is it a trustworthy source?

feck no :lol:

Here's where it get's even more juicy.....

Shortly afterwards, Banks met the woman who was to become his second wife, a Portsmouth-based Russian called Ekaterina Paderina. According to the Sunday Times, Paderina’s former husband had been interviewed twice by Special Branch because they suspected her of working for the Russian government.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/how-did-arron-banks-afford-brexit


EDIT - More on Ekaterina Paderina, an article from 2010:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...l-Democrat-MP-helped-second-Russian-girl.html

Detective Pexbo ratted this one out months ago :cool:
 
Yeah. We've reach squeaky bum time after spending two years faffing about. I still think a deal will happen, somehow. I work for a French investment bank and in a meeting not long ago. Our head of operations was convinced CU/SM deal would happen. Don't know if it was his opinion or he knows something we don't. Seems other banks to are convinced that's what will happen.

Last year, everyone was saying how slow the negotiations were but at least, some kind of fudged agreement was reached in time for Xmas.
During the past 6 months I don't see any progress whatsoever.

I'm not surprised the banks think like this because the alternative is unimaginable and they expect sanity to prevail in the end.
 
EU's preferences of outcome surely has to be.

1) UK ends up staying in EU after all

2) It crashes out and suffers terribly acting as an ever-lasting disincentive for anyone else thinking of following their lead.


Never understood how people were convinced the EU were willing to make leaving at all an attractive proposition. Even if it does damage the remaining 27 economically, it's likely to be considered a hit worth taking in the long run and in any even collectively they'll be impacted a lot less than we will, proportionally.
I agree. You can't allow leaving to be perceived as being beneficial.
 
Which MP do you guys hate most?
Mine has to be Dorries. Every time I see her, I ask who voted for this muppet?
 
I agree. You can't allow leaving to be perceived as being beneficial.

Its allowed to be beneficial, honestly I think most EU countries would like it to be. We're linked regardless and your economy going down the toilet wont help anyone.
Your not allowed gain the benefits of membership without the costs, which is just obvious really.
 
Its allowed to be beneficial, honestly I think most EU countries would like it to be. We're linked regardless and your economy going down the toilet wont help anyone.
Your not allowed gain the benefits of membership without the costs, which is just obvious really.
That's what I mean. They want free trade without free movement or answering to the European Courts on Human Rights.

I want free trade, free movement and the ECHR.
 
It's not a dictatorship. It's called common sense due to self-preservation.

I just meant how it sounded rather than what it is, in any case I don't think the EU is punishing the UK as such, it was just the circumstances and laws in place mean the UK has suffered/will suffer because of it. Furthermore, it wouldn't benefit the EU to ostracise the UK completely.
 
Which MP do you guys hate most?
Mine has to be Dorries. Every time I see her, I ask who voted for this muppet?

Oh God, so many. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Kate Hoey, John Redwood, Peter Bone, Diane Abbot, Boris Johnson...

Not a huge fan of Caroline Flint, Richard Burgon or...
 
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Oh God, so many. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Kate Howey, John Redwood, Peter Bone, Boris Johnson...
I like Abbott. She's not the sharpest tool in the box but doesn't pretend to be and by all accounts, is an excellent MP.
The rest are cnuts. Redwood is a fecking condescending mf. Boris and Mogg are clowns.
 
I like Abbott. She's not the sharpest tool in the box but doesn't pretend to be and by all accounts, is an excellent MP.
The rest are cnuts. Redwood is a fecking condescending mf. Boris and Mogg are clowns.

My problem with Abbott is partially superficial. The way she talks when answering a question as if everyone is hearing the English language for the very first time is super irritating.
 
I just meant how it sounded rather than what it is, in any case I don't think the EU is punishing the UK as such, it was just the circumstances and laws in place mean the UK has suffered/will suffer because of it. Furthermore, it wouldn't benefit the EU to ostracise the UK completely.
It won't but it can't be seen to be given us special treatment. It actually can't legally give us special treatment. The UK has no choice but to accept what's on the table or leave. So actually, we'd be the ones ostracising the EU.
 
If I left my book club but said I wanted to still continue meeting up each week, still have a say on what books were read each week but I didn't wouldn't be contributing towards the wine and the snacks any longer, but would be enjoying them - the rest wouldn't be acting like North Korea if they told me to piss off.
 
That's what I mean. They want free trade without free movement or answering to the European Courts on Human Rights.

I want free trade, free movement and the ECHR.

I have seen that several times and already addressed it but the ECHR isn't the EU, it's part of the Council of Europe, the institution above the EU that counts 47 countries including Russia.
 
Tory MP's all getting extremely paranoid and potentially stabbing each other in the back about the one good thing that's come from Brexit so far.
 
I don't get this talk that if we don't have a definitive, cast-iron leave date that there's no incentive for the 27 to give us a good deal. What incentive is there for them to do that anyway?

Hopes and dreams.

I've never understood why Brexiteers thought the EU had any obligation whatsoever to make things even remotely easier for us by doing any sort of deal.

We're leaving them, they don't have to do anything at all.
 
I don't get how so many people have decided that parliament having the right to reject an agreed deal makes soft brexit a certainty. At no point will the EU be negotiating in some sort of back and forth manner with parliament, it will be negotiating with government. If a resulting agreement is then rejected by parliament all that will be left is hard brexit. There seems to be some weird belief that the EU will keep offering new terms until parliament is happy with them, and that there's no timescale involved.

How May is supposed to handle this I've no idea either, but I do suspect that the next thing May puts to Brussels will be thrown straight back at her anyway, and all the balls will be up in the air again soon enough.
 
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Which MP do you guys hate most?
Mine has to be Dorries. Every time I see her, I ask who voted for this muppet?
Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Davis, Hooey, take your pick...
 
My problem with Abbott is partially superficial. The way she talks when answering a question as if everyone is hearing the English language for the very first time is super irritating.

It is super annoying, but it also tricks people into thinking she’s not smart. It’s worth remembering she’s a Cambridge graduate who has smashed barriers her whole career and earned the Parliamentary Speech of the Year once. Very, very sharp lady.
 
I don't get how so many people have decided that parliament having the right to reject an agreed deal makes soft brexit a certainty. At no point will the EU be negotiating in some sort of back and forth manner with parliament, it will be negotiating with government. If a resulting agreement is then rejected by parliament all that will be left is hard brexit. There seems to be some weird belief that the EU will keep offering new terms until parliament is happy with them, and that there's no timescale involved.

How May is supposed to handle this I've no idea either, but I do suspect that the next thing May puts to Brussels will be thrown straight back at her anyway, and all the balls will be up in the air again soon enough.

Yes, totally agree.
She's got until October to say whether the UK are staying in the CU/SM or not.

I've watched parts of Sky News over the last couple of days and both Leave and Remain MPs are still spouting the rubbish that they think they can pick and choose which bits they want from the EU. What is so difficult for them to understand?

The supposed meaningful vote means whether the country is going to accept the CU/SM or not - as you say if they don't it's off the cliff with them. The EU are not going to wait until February for a decision.
 
Well that just makes it sound like a cult or a dictatorship, this is what North Korea does.
The whole point of being a member is for the benefits. When you leave, you lose the benefits. The perception that this a strategy by the EU... well it has a small amount of truth, but the larger truth is founded in the reality of the benefits the EU is there to provide for its members.

Ultimately the EU does actually have a lot more muscle than the UK.
 
The whole point of being a member is for the benefits. When you leave, you lose the benefits. The perception that this a strategy by the EU... well it has a small amount of truth, but the larger truth is founded in the reality of the benefits the EU is there to provide for its members.

Ultimately the EU does actually have a lot more muscle than the UK.

Exactly, it's like leaving a collocation and expect to keep the keys and have free access to everything while not having to respect the rules established by current inhabitants. It makes absolutely no sense.
 
State of the SNP.



No power. Exactly. ‘England’s’ Parliament doesn’t give a feck about Scotland’s voice and it’s exactly why the impact on devolution was swept under the carpet yesterday too.

 


No power. Exactly. ‘England’s’ Parliament doesn’t give a feck about Scotland’s voice and it’s exactly why the impact on devolution was swept under the carpet yesterday too.


They have my sympathy but what was the point of walking out?