Seems so. In fairness they weren’t the only ones - was the border dilemma ever raised during the course of the Brexit campaigns?
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Seems so. In fairness they weren’t the only ones - was the border dilemma ever raised during the course of the Brexit campaigns?
All questions on the border were met with "project fear"
The only way to minimise damage is to stay in the EU as a full member and do so ASAP.
Very rarely. Brexiteers conveniently ignored it while Remainers didn't push anywhere near hard enough on it. But the DUP are in the unique position of being one of the parties who'll be affected directly in NI by this.
It was but remember that the Leave campaigners were saying that the UK would stay in the CU/SM so the Irish border was less of a problem if the UK stayed in the CU/SM.
The problem was not only did the general public not understand what the implications of Brexit were, nor did the idiots who campaigned for it.
To be fair they rarely ever seem to know what the feck they are up to. And actually voting yes to something must have confused them further.
Of course i wouldn't expect any less from the only political party that opposed the Good Friday Agreement.
I feel like we kinda need more of this. A lot of the discussion around Brexit often shifts to, say, how Remainers are being too negative, or how we aren't embracing it properly, or side discussions over other technical issues relating to it. But I'm increasingly thinking we just need to cut to the chase: as it currently stands Brexit is either stupid or unfeasible. Not much more can be said than that.
Strangely misses out the 4th choice, no customs union and a hard border. If that does come about people from all sides will have to think about how to manage the situation and what responsibilities they will have themselves.
That's what the backstop the UK has already agreed to is supposed to prevent though?
What is a “bog standard” customs union?
Don't worry, the Lib Dems will win some council seats tonight and Brexit will be cancelled by midday tomorrow.
Yes it is, but as all parties say when it suits them, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
For the record, personally I would rather remain in the EU and have an open border, I'm only trying to predict the future as it might be, not how I would want it.
Yeah, which is great for those of us living in the EU with no idea how Brexit may feck our lives over.
There is no "bog standard" customs union or "a" customs union - there is only one customs union involving the EU, that's the one the UK are in now.
There is no meaningful vote in parliament about we don't like this bit or that bit, the only possible vote is whether or not to cancel Brexit but if they don't hurry up, it will be too late.
There is no meaningful vote in parliament about we don't like this bit or that bit, the only possible vote is whether or not to cancel Brexit but if they don't hurry up, it will be too late.
I agree with this, except to add we have no idea how the EU would respond if we did request to withdraw article 50. Some individuals have given hints as to their own preferences, but the actual response hasn't even been debated yet. Would the EU allow it at all? And if, perhaps not unreasonably, they took a hard line and demanded we join the Euro etc in return, then what would that mean, another referendum on the new terms? It's fecking chaos.
I agree with this, except to add we have no idea how the EU would respond if we did request to withdraw article 50. Some individuals have given hints as to their own preferences, but the actual response hasn't even been debated yet. Would the EU allow it at all? And if, perhaps not unreasonably, they took a hard line and demanded we join the Euro etc in return, then what would that mean, another referendum on the new terms? It's fecking chaos.
It was easier to predict how the EU would react when the UK handed in their notice, which contrary to the Leavers' beliefs was not to cave in to the UK's demands.
Although there would be a feeling of relief in some quarters that the UK is leaving, overall common sense would surely prevail and belief is that everyone would be better off if the UK remained.
Of course the EU would want reassurances, not to have a repeat episode a few years down the line. If the UK don't actually leave I doubt the EU would force the UK to take the Euro because it is agreed that they wouldn't have to. It may be a different story regarding all the discounts and rebates the UK get, so it could become more expensive, but it will be anyway.
I don't think another referendum is on the cards, it will be a parliament decision but probably means the government will fall.
You're right, it's chaos but whatever happens it will be chaos, depends which chaos you want.
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I read this today:
Mrs Thatcher’s rebate is known as “the mother of all rebates” in Brussels because it spawned similar deals with Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Austria and Denmark.
Taken from http://www.hl.co.uk/news/2018/5/3/eu-fury-as-brussels-demands-bigger-budget-to-plug-brexit-blackhole
So having a go at the UK's rebate might not be so straightforward. I must admit if I were an EU loving foreign person I'd say 'right then, join the euro like you should have done in the first place, you cnuts'.
I think if the UK left and later tried to rejoin then they would have to take the Euro but if they just tear up their resignation they probably won't.
On the budget I saw this http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...plans-show-purpose-but-lack-ambition-say-meps
At this moment in time, it looks like a cliff edge in March, the Tories continue to squabble amongst themselves, time passes very quickly and if they have not come up with some concrete solutions by the end of June, I can only see the UK drift off out of the EU, which is even worse than the scenario envisaged two years ago. At that time if they were to leave they would been expected to have measures in place but they are not prepared at all.
Davis is assuming the transition period is a given, it is far from that at the moment unless they resolve the Irish border problem very quickly.
For the EU budget, I was merely replying to your suggestion that if the UK remained and had it's rebate removed then Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Austria and Denmark would have to lose their rebates too, which might make this less likely. I'm not really bothered what MEPs or their constituents think about their budget, as things stand it won't be the UK's concern.
Not directly, maybe. One of the many Catch 22’s in this Brexit madness is that - even post-Brexit - Britain will do better when the rest of Europe is thriving. If the EU can’t balance its books and plunges into a deep recession then Britain will share their pain.
True, the EU will still be the UK's biggest market. I was trying to say the UK would be viewing the EU budget as outsiders. It's still in everyone's interest for the EU to do well of course.
The Lib Dems won a council seat in Sunderland. Brexit is off, lads.
Scratch that, the Tories won one too. Brexit is both off and harder.
Scratch that, the Tories won one too. Brexit is both off and harder.
https://www.independent.ie/world-ne...elay-brexit-by-up-to-five-years-36872115.html
How about we just let the Brexiteers negotiate their dream, perfect, have your cake and eat it deal on the condition that we keep extending our membership until their deal works in the real world? We get to remain in the EU forever and they get to pretend we're not, everyone wins.
How about we just let the Brexiteers negotiate their dream, perfect, have your cake and eat it deal on the condition that we keep extending our membership until their deal works in the real world? We get to remain in the EU forever and they get to pretend we're not, everyone wins.
At least they are trying to stop Brexit.
Think that Labour benefits from a lot of voters, particularly young people, not being aware they're on the same page as the Tories and UKIP on the issue of Brexit.
Corbyn is playing a very risky game.
What time is it cancelled? Because all I'm seeing are Tories celebrating their gains and I'm not sure that is their policy on it.
If only there was a bigger party - with a better record of actually winning elections than the Lib Dems - that had the bollocks to take the Tories on about Brexit? Who knows? They might even have been able to give the Tories a bit of a shock at this election?
Why would there need to be a 'bigger party'? The Lib Dems should be cleaning up, after all this election was apparently all about Brexit and they're as anti it as it gets.
Says who? That's a straw man. The issue here is whether a Labour party that took the same stance as the Lib Dems on Brexit might have made a better fist of taking the Tories on because they have a bigger support base to begin with.
I mean, feck me, if Labour can't make more of a dent in the Tories, straight after Windrush, what's the fecking point of them?
The big anti-Brexit movement that spent yesterday voting Lib Dem to 'send a message to Corbyn'. Not sure how that message is affected by the party literally in charge of Brexit gaining seats, but I'm sure we'll find out later today.
They've already demonstrated that they'll forgive anything and everything you've ever voted for if you whinge loudly enough (see Anna Soubry) so I'm not sure where this unwillingness to vote Lib Dem in huge numbers would come from.
"Brexit for jobs" who the feck came up with that slogan. The person's needs binning.
Not trying to defend Labour here (who are doing a piss poor job considering the circumstances), but its fair to mention that council elections tend to be quite focused on local issues, rather than national headlines. People tend to care more about their roads and getting their bins emptied.
From the analysis I've seen so far, the Lib Dem and Green gains are in areas that voted because of Brexit and the Tory ones are because of local services.
Finally, some positive Brexit news.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16196264.Brexit____could_be_good_for_vaping___/
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16196264.Brexit____could_be_good_for_vaping___/
What are you on about?
The Lib Dems winning council seats was going to send a message to cancel Brexit. At least that was the narrative on whichever hashtag they're using this week.