For the general public I agree with you, but politicians should not only pass an intelligence test but also a general knowledge test, on top of that they should get tested on special fields when they are in the run for a minister. These feckers are the dumbest living being in every country.
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For the general public I agree with you, but politicians should not only pass an intelligence test but also a general knowledge test, on top of that they should get tested on special fields when they are in the run for a minister. These feckers are the dumbest living being in every country.
The rate at which they and their friends are gaining wealth suggests otherwise. They know what they're doing, who they're hurting and they're perfectly fine with it.
I was being hyperbolic but do not make the mistake to think that they are actually smart. In France for example, you have small groups of people in all parties who are smart, these people generally stay in the dark and make policies, they then use the buffoons that we generally see, it's actually fascinating to watch them act behind the curtains.
Is it a British plumber or a Polish plumber?
I always thought we would need a filter in voting. Intelligence would be unfair, IMO as a person that is not as intelligent as another can have more interest in politics than another and develop a better understanding of it.
I would not take an intelligence test. I would take some random questions about the program of the party or PM declarations that you pretend to vote. So if you want to vote Tory ==> press tory ==> Questions about them (not difficult) ==> you don't know, so why the feck are you voting them? ==>>> OUT!
The same with referendums
I would not take an intelligence test. I would take some random questions about the program of the party or PM declarations that you pretend to vote. So if you want to vote Tory ==> press tory ==> Questions about them (not difficult) ==> you don't know, so why the feck are you voting them? ==>>> OUT!
The same with referendums
You have to admire the Tories in a way in that they seem to have carried an incredible chunk of the population behind the idea that in the referendum they voted for whatever version of Brexit they could negotiate.
If we get a bespoke trade deal - that's what we voted for
If we leave the EU without a trade deal - that's what we voted for.
Stay in or are closely aligned with the customs union - that's what we voted for
Leave the customs union and fail to reach agreement on alignment - that's what we voted for
Whatever you say about it, it has been fairly impressive that they've seemed to have carried so many people with that approach. Support for what is effectively a blank cheque Brexit should be close to non-existent. Actually seems that enough of us want it to justify that being the government's actual policy. Again, don't have to like it to think it's impressive to pull that off.
If we get a bespoke trade deal - that's what we voted for
If we leave the EU without a trade deal - that's what we voted for.
Stay in or are closely aligned with the customs union - that's what we voted for
Leave the customs union and fail to reach agreement on alignment - that's what we voted for
Whatever you say about it, it has been fairly impressive that they've seemed to have carried so many people with that approach. Support for what is effectively a blank cheque Brexit should be close to non-existent. Actually seems that enough of us want it to justify that being the government's actual policy. Again, don't have to like it to think it's impressive to pull that off.
I remember when we didn't have to leave the single market when leaving the EU. Remember cnuts like Hanan and Frotage making those arguments. Seems like a distant memory.
Consequence of absolutely no opposition. Farage and Hannan and the other cnuts decided after the result that it was an endorsement for leaving the SM and the CU and the Tory and Labour front bench response was, and remains, "Yes that's right".
Shockingly (or not) over time the myth that the result was a referendum on SM and CU membership has taken hold to be point now where it isn't even really much of a debate any more.
See David Davis has had another outing , this time with the Lords EU Committee.
Another session of absolute bilge out of his mouth. I know he's talking rubbish, you know he's talking rubbish, they know he's talking rubbish. How does he continue to be the chief negotiator.
This government is clearly the worst since WW2, but every time they replace an incompetent minister they somehow manage to replace them with yet an even more incompetent minister, so little point in changing. Meanwhile the government are so pathetic but the opposition still can't get ahead of them as they somehow look even more incompetent.
Must be that race to the bottom.
Another session of absolute bilge out of his mouth. I know he's talking rubbish, you know he's talking rubbish, they know he's talking rubbish. How does he continue to be the chief negotiator.
This government is clearly the worst since WW2, but every time they replace an incompetent minister they somehow manage to replace them with yet an even more incompetent minister, so little point in changing. Meanwhile the government are so pathetic but the opposition still can't get ahead of them as they somehow look even more incompetent.
Must be that race to the bottom.
It's pretty far from impressive. The so-called golden ticket of having our cake and eating it is not happening, so we are fecked. That yougov poll where everyone under 50 is overwhelmingly pro-remain, while the over 60s are the opposite is so depressing. Think of the future ffs.
Paul wasn't suggesting intelligence tests as a qualifying step to be allowed to vote.
They are. Their own relatively short future. Where reliving pretension of colonial dominance and grandeur will occur.
In their own imaginations, as the idea is a load of fetid donkey offal.
Verbal reasoning tests are quite useful in this context maybe.
If you read/listen to a passage from a manifesto and can't gauge exactly what it states or doesn't state, then you shouldn't really be voting.
The longer the shambolic negotiations go on the more I hope that it wont happen.
They burned their voters by forming a sycophantic coalition with the Tories.
Anyone think this guy is onto something? That’s the Brexit end game?
Would certainly explain how lame duck Maybot is somehow still holding the reins...
Yeah they mortgaged their soul by signing that coalition agreement didn't they. Bet they thought it was a great idea at the time...
I was under the impression that it was obvious. I remember looking at the Brexit financiers and the conclusion was obvious, none of them are people champions. Aaron Banks, Peter Hargreaves, James Hosking, Lord Edmiston and Crispin Odey, these people apparently represent 60% of the funding.
But it's like a runaway train with no driver, May's just along for the ride, who's going to stop it because unless someone does it's crashing through the buffers in March. But they haven't got until March to sort themselves out or even till October, the EU want answers in June and I would imagine most businesses etc do as well.
Imagine Corbyn helping May push her Brexit plan? Would definitely be the last time I vote Labour under him.
Can has received another boot.
Am I right in saying GB is going to be subject to the same EU laws but now get zero influence over them?
The little bits of news I see on the whole Brexit issue, seems the general population are going to be screwed over.
I’m seeing zero benfit for GB, certainly nothing like the lies and BS they were fed in the lead up to the referendum.
The little bits of news I see on the whole Brexit issue, seems the general population are going to be screwed over.
I’m seeing zero benfit for GB, certainly nothing like the lies and BS they were fed in the lead up to the referendum.
"Just leave - businesses will cope, they always do - some will fold, others be created. Embrace the freedom of opportunity to rethink the same old constraints that deliver the same old results
Customs Unions are just protectionist policy for keeping the same high earners protected from having to roll their sleeves up and work for a change."
Reading the BBC New's HYS always leave me depressed.
Sort of people that would vote for Trump for Prime minister..
Customs Unions are just protectionist policy for keeping the same high earners protected from having to roll their sleeves up and work for a change."
Reading the BBC New's HYS always leave me depressed.
Sort of people that would vote for Trump for Prime minister..
I got a briefing recently from a policy wonk who has an inside track on some aspects of the negotiations. He said that the British negotiators are under immense pressure to come up with some sort of upside to the British economy from all of this, anything at all will do. They keep being told to go away and don't come back without this Holy Grail but they're completely stumped. Which is one of the main reasons all of the big decisions are constantly being kicked down the road.
I saw that from the outset. I couldn't understand why anybody would vote for it.
I don't get why there's no real movement to feck brexit off and stay in the union. As a founder member the UK is in a far better position. I'd say an example is being made of them to stop the union splitting up.
I don't think so. The thing is they want all the benefits of membership without any of the costs. That was never going to happen.
To stop a hard border in Ireland, the UK will have to stay in the CU/SM. If they stay in the CU/SM they are virtually in the EU in all but name and will have to pay their subs , abide by the ECJ and will have almost no say in anything.
They are not a founder member, they spent more than 10 years desperately trying to join.
The thing is that the big promise of making their own trade deals will not happen if they remain in the SM/EU.
The damage this will do has still not dawned on a massive part of the population.
It sometimes seems a bit crazy that the UK will be taking to the cleaners for leaving a group that it voluntarily joined. But the EU is what it is. A very tight knit group of countries, with closely aligned laws and regulations that cover every aspect of society. You can't undo decades of legislation in a couple of years. The only way for a "clean break" would be if all the members agreed to disband at once and even then the disentanglement would take years.
It was utter madness to expect that one of these countries could just walk away - over the space of a couple of years - without crippling itself in the process. Which makes the whole Leave campaign even more deceitful with hindsight. UK voters were fed a tissue of lies, from start to finish.
I know and the hard thing to understand was that so many people believed them. Leaves manifesto just never passed the sniff test for me.
If the UK government wants to minimise the economic damage, the, yes, your first paragraph sums it up. The best we can hope for (short of some dramatic u-turn) is a good deal worse than what we currently have. The alternative is a clean break which has the benefit of greater control of immigration (if you believe it is a problem) but will certainly lead to huge short to medium term disruption and very possibly the break up of the UK.
It’s a toxic mix of fringe ideology, nostalgia, nationalism and stupidity which has managed to win out over pragmatism and common sense.
It would be funny if it wasn't our country.
Good thread. The role of the DUP in all of this - from the very start - has completely baffled me. What in the actual feck do they want?
They supported Brexit, and consequently were happy to jump in the bandwagon of ending freedom of movement and leaving the customs union. But they simultaneously didn't want an Irish border. Ireland being one of the EU states we have FoM with. But they also don't want a sea border which partly cuts them off from the union. Were they genuinely so idiotic to the point where they failed to see how this would feck them over no matter what they attempted to do?