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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Adebesi said:
Because people think/thought of austerity as the government no longer handing out free money to the feckless and undeserving poor. Until it affects them directly, with their waiting times for the GP rising, their local hospitals cutting certain services, their local libraries closing down or people they know losing their jobs. At which point they think "I didnt realise I was going to be affected by it."
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Where did all this 'Saved' money go? After years of austerity in the Netherlands we have a ton of cash in the Government coffers, this will now be used to boost public services.
 
Adebesi said:
Because people think/thought of austerity as the government no longer handing out free money to the feckless and undeserving poor. Until it affects them directly, with their waiting times for the GP rising, their local hospitals cutting certain services, their local libraries closing down or people they know losing their jobs. At which point they think "I didnt realise I was going to be affected by it."
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I think that it is the crux of the problem, for some reason people have at the time the ambition to make decisions that goes beyond them without the ability to see beyond themselves. It's a bit like that women in the US that voted for illegal immigrants to be automatically deported without realizing that her husband was in that very case.
 
Stanley Road said:
Where did all this 'Saved' money go? After years of austerity in the Netherlands we have a ton of cash in the Government coffers, this will now be used to boost public services.
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Well the UK hasnt actually saved any money - as you presumably know, given you put saved in inverted commas. But even if it had, Im pretty sure the UK isnt planning to invest more saved money into public services.

Though of course at some point there will be a change of government - at this rate a Corbyn government. After a few years of that people might start to look back on Blair a bit more favourably.
 
JPRouve said:
I think that it is the crux of the problem, for some reason people have at the time the ambition to make decisions that goes beyond them without the ability to see beyond themselves. It's a bit like that women in the US that voted for illegal immigrants to be automatically deported without realizing that her husband was in that very case.
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Exactly. You see it time and time again in the US with Trump and here with austerity.
 
Adebesi said:
Because people think/thought of austerity as the government no longer handing out free money to the feckless and undeserving poor. Until it affects them directly, with their waiting times for the GP rising, their local hospitals cutting certain services, their local libraries closing down or people they know losing their jobs. At which point they think "I didnt realise I was going to be affected by it."
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Remember the Tory-voting mum who attacked tax credit cuts? She's now a Momentum boss
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/remember-tory-voting-mum-who-9645557
 
Stanley Road said:
Both are wrong and nothing will be solved by anyone dying. it's just a misguided opinion by people that lost their bet.
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The people who were challenging the establishment when I was a kid and wanted things to change because their lot was not as good as they wanted are now the people despised by today's younger generation. In another 30 or 40 years time today's younger generation will be despised by the new younger generation and the cycle continues as it always has and always will.
 
Sweet Square said:
The most anti immigrate communities are the ones with the least amount of immigration, yes their communities have been change but that has to with the changing nature of capitalism and the neoliberal policies that were put in place. Anti immigration sentiment is completely fear driven, the pandering isn't just a little bit, I've already mentioned the dystopian immigration vans but other such things as Blair doing a anti immigration speech at the white cliffs of dover, the media of course which both major parties(Until recently) has been firmly in the pocket of for the last 30 odd years.


Austerity was literally never needed, it was nothing but a way to hide class war and to cut the social state. As for the tory election win 2015, well simply the tory won because there wasn't a alternative anti austerity party, so people stayed home or just simply voted tory because they didn't have a alternative answer. When this alternative came about in 2017 in form of the Left win Labour Party, a hell of a lot of people voted for it.



Well yes that why I said it's played a major factor(It's of course not the only reason). Anyway if you have some spare time this stuff is worth checking out


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofb...he-limits-of-neoliberalism-by-william-davies/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

It Was The Democrats' Embrace Of Neoliberalism That Won It For Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate



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I know what neoliberalism is. I was being sarcastic, to be honest. It's one of those ideological cliches that obfuscates an argument, rather than reveals it. It's just another form of political management-speak.

We'll have to disagree on whether austerity was needed. I think a 7% deficit, if sustained, was an emergency that had to be confronted.
 
Adebesi said:
Because people think/thought of austerity as the government no longer handing out free money to the feckless and undeserving poor. Until it affects them directly, with their waiting times for the GP rising, their local hospitals cutting certain services, their local libraries closing down or people they know losing their jobs. At which point they think "I didnt realise I was going to be affected by it."
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Maybe, but such a swing in a few months? I don't buy it. Even now the Tories, the biggest shower of shite I've seen in 30 years, are polling over 41%. Labour have like a 2% lead, which is pathetic.

Brexit is at core, about English nationalism, not about austerity.
 
nickm said:
Maybe, but such a swing in a few months? I don't buy it. Even now the Tories, the biggest shower of shite I've seen in 30 years, are polling over 41%. Labour have like a 2% lead, which is pathetic.

Brexit is at core, about English nationalism, not about austerity.
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Very much this.
 
Worse, they are English Nats pretending to be British patriots while being prepared to risk various bits of Britain that are inconvenient to Brexit, like Northern Ireland or Scotland. Brits in name only, the lot of them.
 
So Boris has sent a letter to the PM stating it should not be the government's job to retain a 'no border' in Ireland. What an oaf.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The people who were challenging the establishment when I was a kid and wanted things to change because their lot was not as good as they wanted are now the people despised by today's younger generation. In another 30 or 40 years time today's younger generation will be despised by the new younger generation and the cycle continues as it always has and always will.
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In my day there were policemen beating innocent people under tory orders

Beheading of policemen in tottenham umder tory watch

Riots in London over poll tax, all under Tory watch. All they do is upset people, a fact that cannot be ignored.

But they're not idiots,. Just pure evil.
 
Stanley Road said:
In my day there were policemen beating innocent people under tory orders

Beheading of policemen in tottenham umder tory watch

Riots in London over poll tax, all under Tory watch. All they do is upset people, a fact that cannot be ignored.

But they're not idiots,. Just pure evil.
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As I've said before I don't rate any politician, and the current lot are the dregs, there are very few in politics for the benefit of the people from either side. One can list all the awful things from both sides throughout the years and until this tribal Tory/Labour changes, things will continue not to improve because all both sides are interested in is blaming the other for what has happened in the past instead of being forward thinking.

Over the past few years the blame has been put on the EU. In 5 or 10 years time it'll be something else but nothing will change while the power flows back between Labour and Tory with the same blame mentality.
 
Another Brexiter, the Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin, told BBC Newsnight on Tuesday: “We are not having a hard border in Northern Ireland under any circumstances.

“[But] if the EU wants a hard border, and they put stuff up at the border, that’s their problem. That’s not our problem.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...h-border-issue-being-used-to-frustrate-brexithttps://www.theguardian.com/politic...h-border-issue-being-used-to-frustrate-brexit

Jesus christ these people are immoral bastards. Not our problem if bombs start going off again in the north?
 
I assume other regulars here watched Liam Fox's speech yesterday? Credit where it's due, he seems to have taken notice that his words are being listened to outside of the brexit cult and cut back on the fabrications and lies. Still a bit odd to praise free trade for half an hour while trying to justify the end of it with the UK's largest trading partner... but an improvement. The only factual takeaway for me was that the UK has started preliminary trade talks with 20 something countries across the world, which is positive and surely the route to go if brexiteers have their wishes come true.

The man who only ever goes jogging when he sees reporters in front of his house seems a bit confused though:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...h-border-issue-being-used-to-frustrate-brexit

I'm sure he's also convinced that donuts are a scheme to frustrate his various sporting activities.
 
sullydnl said:
It's okay, I'm sure the UK government will come up with a really clever solution to prevent this backstop agreement coming into effect.

*cough*
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As reality creeps forever closer, the UK government is still living on fantasy island and shows no sign of ever acknowledging the glaringly obvious truth. What's more they couldn't care less.
 
So May and the Cabinet are in favour of staying in the single market now? Thank goodness.

I remember some Shadow Cabinet members being sacked after the referendum for voting to stay in the single market. But now it's good to see that Labour are united in favour of staying in the EEA and market.

And the Government has flip flopped spectacularly on the customs union. But now she's said in PMQs that they want to be in the union, so good on her. At least some good news.
 
Nikhil said:
So May and the Cabinet are in favour of staying in the single market now? Thank goodness.

I remember some Shadow Cabinet members being sacked after the referendum for voting to stay in the single market. But now it's good to see that Labour are united in favour of staying in the EEA and market.

And the Government has flip flopped spectacularly on the customs union. But now she's said in PMQs that they want to be in the union, so good on her. At least some good news.
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No they aren't - staying in the single market means acceptance of the 4 freedoms and thus no border issue and acceptance of the ECJ. I'd say at this moment the UK is as far away from getting a deal than they ever have been.
 
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