It's pretty much a certainty. I can't see anywhere else they could get 10 votes from.
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It's pretty much a certainty. I can't see anywhere else they could get 10 votes from.
@ the dupPeston is implying that May is going to offer "regulatory alignment" for the whole UK.. despite not having it cleared by the Cabinet.
I don't think the DUP actually will back out. They'll huff and puff but they won't lose their current position over it when it comes down to things.
Another year, another election
At least we get to watch Jeremy Vine jizzing over his swingometer again.
I still can't believe May called the snap election. What an amazingly bad decision that turned out to be. Following straight from the decision of Cameron to give a referendum on leaving the EU as if it was a simple binary question.
Put on top of that Johnson having a job and that Mogg guy looking to the leadership role, the conservatives are beyond a joke at this stage
Put on top of that Johnson having a job and that Mogg guy looking to the leadership role, the conservatives are beyond a joke at this stage
They will.
What may is doing is offering single market to NI and only NI. Because she has guaranteed there will be no border, even under no deal conditions, that is the only way to do it.
Under a no deal, we immediately go to WTO rules, and they require a hard border everywhere, unless we have a single market type agreement. So that is what they have agreed to, whether may and davis realize it or not.
That means a hard border between NI and the rest of the country, unless we all remain in the single market. the DUP will never accept it.
Descended into a shambles, as was expected. Sturgeon's correct - you can't reasonably give beneficial deals to one part of the country and not expect others to follow suit as well.
The one remaining solution will be for a soft Brexit deal. It's one which won't really satisfy anyone, but it's pretty much the only viable solution at this point because having one country in a completely different relationship to the EU from the rest of the country is mental. Especially when others parts of the country want that same deal.
The DUP can feck off, though. Seemingly want all the perks of Brexit without having to enact a border. Again, this has been known to be the situation for a while and yet they've been operating in denial.
The one remaining solution will be for a soft Brexit deal. It's one which won't really satisfy anyone, but it's pretty much the only viable solution at this point because having one country in a completely different relationship to the EU from the rest of the country is mental. Especially when others parts of the country want that same deal.
The DUP can feck off, though. Seemingly want all the perks of Brexit without having to enact a border. Again, this has been known to be the situation for a while and yet they've been operating in denial.
A bit of preview of the meeting between May and the DUP
I'm guessing the government concedes freedom of movement in phase 2.
At the moment it's "custom union" not "single market".
We're only just getting started. There's plenty more things they'll suddenly realize we actually need.
Aye, once it's all said and done I suspect we'll opt for a soft Brexit. At the moment we're basically caving into all EU demands to some extent.
Once that happens we’re effectively in the EU without any of our previous benefits. Great job Brexiteers
Fine, if want to continue in that vein, but tell me how does it add to the validity of your argument by trying to belittle people who don't think as you do?
Gives you a nice warm glow does it, a feeling of superiority, but no of course, wait, you are a self confessed arrogant sod, so everything becomes clear now
Lies and half truths abounded in the referendum on both sides, people voted for what they believed in, on both sides... yours lost!
Just like you!
see you in the next post!
We'll end up rejoicing the EU and adopting the Euro at this rate
There is also the possibility to virtually lose NI. NI and ROI want freedom of movement and no border, basically the Single Market-Schengen package, that's possible if they get a very deep autonomy.
I found it surprising too, I thought they strongly disliked us Brits though after listening to what they were saying I start to understand.
One line of thought was that Ireland as the only English speaking country left in the EU will get swamped.
PS - I didn't join I just scrolled through.
When Sturgeon and co were asking for just such an arrangement?
Anything that you Remainers would deem 'soft' or 'viable' likely amounts to a betrayal of the vote. But what would that matter, we thickos who voted Brexit could simply be ignored again by the Europhile chattering classes.
Good, you should be. As for betrayal of the vote, the common understanding at the time amongst Leave voters (perpetrated by the top Leave campaigners) was that we'd stay in the Single Market anyway. So by leaving the Single Market you're actually betraying your own side too.
So you think people who believe obvious lies and vote for self-destruction are intelligent?
Makes more sense, explains the mess the UK is in.
I did not vote, I did not lose, the residents of the UK and people whose rights are being taken away through ignorance lost.
My memory is fine, if you don't tell lies , you can't be caught out, lesson to be learnt there.
How do you know the hard/soft criteria which people voted for Nick? It certainly wasn't on my ballot paper.When Sturgeon and co were asking for just such an arrangement?
Anything that you Remainers would deem 'soft' or 'viable' likely amounts to a betrayal of the vote. But what would that matter, we thickos who voted Brexit could simply be ignored again by the Europhile chattering classes.
What a complete mess. The DUP will never wear this. Shit is about to get real.
Well, f*ck you too, Ken.
Your second point is false by the way. No need to get your back up though, as i have no intention of spending hours in a fruitless discusion about trivialities.
I doubt the UK would care too much if that happened.
Well, f*ck you too, Ken.
Official Leave Campaign: "There is a free trade zone stretching all the way from Iceland to the Russian border. We will still be part of it after we Vote Leave."
Daniel Hannan, prominent Leave campaigner: "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market."
Boris Johnson: “There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market”
You were saying? Interesting that you consider the nation being lied to about access to one of the most vital areas of the nations trade to be 'trivial' by the way.
Yes eventually you did conceded that, some progress is being made... now where have I heard that before?
Agreed, no disagreement here!
In the UK Parliament, the elected government propose areas for new or amended laws, via the Queen's speech, the elected MP nominated by the Prime Minister responsible for that particular area of Government, who serves as a Cabinet Minister proposes the law to the Elected Members of Parliament(with assistance from Senior Civil Servants) who pass the laws, (Acts of Parliament, Statutory Instruments, Regulations etc) sometimes with amendments some times without!
True!
How many Commissioners are elected by the EU constituents?
Yes, but only for a time, ultimately the Government can force things through, the principle being they are the elected representatives and are carrying out the democratic will of the people.
EU Commissioners also can force things through, but without the democratic authority of carrying out the will of the people, because they are unelected!
These terms were around long before Nigel Farage took his first pint!
Read some of Tony Benn's speeches in the early 60's
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I can't imagine Scotland keeping quiet, or Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester...
Wow
Oh, I think you probably did?
*Edit* Actually, after re-reading what Peston actually said I think Newton Dunn is mis-reading it. It seems like Peston is just saying the trade deal for the whole UK would be based on the regulatory match for NI. I could be wrong though.
Why is she so inept? My theory is she cannot possibly be so utterly clueless and it’s all a big play. I mean, it just has to be...doesn’t it...
DUP coalition just made Brexit harder for her then?
Another brilliant idea, just like 'Let's call an early election!'
Another brilliant idea, just like 'Let's call an early election!'
If she doesn't give Scotland leeway, then that will just spur talks of a Scottish referendum again. And the Tories in Scotland would only have sand to try and build a foundation on when arguing against it.
So strong, so stable.
If this happens, Freedom of movement will be next surely - you can't have one without the other. After that, Brexit effectively becomes nullified.
And at the very least, there will be a leadership contest for the Tories, and at the most, another election too!?
Almost certainly, re the odds of next general election, 2018 is the favourite!!
Any potential 2018 election should be on lines of 'Tory Brext' vs 'Forget the whole fecking thing'. Corbyn's life-long support of leaving the EU will mean it's the best chance to end this mess that we'll never get.