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Massive Spanner said:
You appear to be confusing "bullshit" with "opinions".
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Same difference, at least as articulated by many on this thread... suppose it depends on whether you agree or not, is it really is an opinion, or 'fake news'?

Massive Spanner said:
"bullshit" is your double claim (as fact) that only the UK and Germany are net contributors to the EU
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You really are not going to let that one go are you?
How many times are you going to hit a defenceless old man over the head with that?
Its beneath you Spanner, now put it away and lets play nicely!;)

Massive Spanner said:
Like, I think 99% of your opinions are absolutely bonkers and borderline hysterical but I can't say they're bullshit.
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How gracious of you! Right back at you young man!
 
I Believe said:
Nigel's my hero!
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I gathered that.

Just think, Leave winning was the worst thing that happened to him - then he didn't get his knighthood, then he didn't become ambassador and he became even more irrelevant.
Now he sees a chance to get a bit more relevant as Brexit's not exactly going how he wanted and starts to stir up the rabble again. Another 18 months and he won't even be able to behave like a prat in the European parliament.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I gathered that.

Just think, Leave winning was the worst thing that happened to him - then he didn't get his knighthood, then he didn't become ambassador and he became even more irrelevant.
Now he sees a chance to get a bit more relevant as Brexit's not exactly going how he wanted and starts to stir up the rabble again. Another 18 months and he won't even be able to behave like a prat in the European parliament.
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He's the Prime Minister in waiting, 'over the water', he's just waiting for Theresa to falter and she may well oblige!

Better get that French Passport sorted quickly
 
I Believe said:
EU Project management in Britain, France, Holland, Italy and Germany, I was younger then and more precise with my words, but gob-shite's like you I've found everywhere! Have you run out of arguments?
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Hey i just passed a comment that's all. You dont seem knowledgeable about the very institution you worked for. That is fair enough considering that politics wasn't your area
 
I Believe said:
He's the Prime Minister in waiting, 'over the water', he's just waiting for Theresa to falter and she may well oblige!

Better get that French Passport sorted quickly
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:lol: This is the funniest one yet. Nigel 'failed to get elected as an MP 7 times' Farage is next in line for the throne is he? Or when you say 'in waiting' do you mean 'waiting for the approximately 1 million more electable people to get simultaneously hit by a bus' before he can become the PM.

I can't help but feel that Farage (and Trump) hero worshippers are going to feel very let down by their idols when their paymasters have had their fill with them and some potentially less than 'patriotic' truths start to appear.
 
712 said:
Ruth Davidson. 16.5/1.
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She may need to get a constituency in England then as I'm sure the added bonus of toppling a conservative pm would make the snp even more determined to get Indy ref 2 (depending what happens it Catalonia and how shoddy the brexit deal is who knows they may just hold a referendum without westministers approval)
 
I Believe said:
He's the Prime Minister in waiting, 'over the water', he's just waiting for Theresa to falter and she may well oblige!

Better get that French Passport sorted quickly
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I think I may have popped my clogs by the time Farage is PM or even an MP - no hurry then.
How many MP's do UKIP have again, enough to form a government - oh dear they haven't got any - sorry I didn't realise you meant in Cloud Cuckoo Land

Btw in a 10 billion to 1 chance (your favourite number) that he was elected PM, as far as I know Farage isn't the one granting my French nationality. At least if he was to become PM it would convince me to renounce my British nationality.

Funnily enough I was looking at a video (totally unrelated to politics or Brexit btw )on Youtube when for some reason a video was recommended to watch by Youtube of Farage, which actually was an extended version of the video I posted last week. Thought I'd watch it for a laugh.
Looking at the comments is always the funniest bit , as always, everyone who commented was some UKIP nutter, racist, xenophobe or EU hater, more like a combination of all those but anyway half of them were calling the EU communists and the other half were calling the EU fascists. Is it a requirement for a UKIP supporter to have an IQ under 50?
 
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devilish said:
http://www.cityam.com/273672/philip-hammond-says-no-brexit-deal-could-ground-flights

That's one hell of a negotiation chip the EU may have. If the UK doesn't agree to pay its dues then Europe can ground UK flights from and to Europe. Brexiteers might have to go to Europe by donkey. ;)
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It won't be just to Europe, it's worldwide, EU agreement.
They won't go to Europe , they're too frightened of meeting foreigners or that they might not get back in again .
Other problem is the queues at Dover.
 
sun_tzu said:
She may need to get a constituency in England then as I'm sure the added bonus of toppling a conservative pm would make the snp even more determined to get Indy ref 2 (depending what happens it Catalonia and how shoddy the brexit deal is who knows they may just hold a referendum without westministers approval)
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Yeah, to be next leader as opposed to future leader it would require an English MP to step down in her favour. Not a probability, hence 16.5/1. On the other hand if it looks a choice between Boris and someone else who could that someone else possibly be? An anti-Boris grouping might consider her the only choice to get behind.
 
712 said:
Yeah, to be next leader as opposed to future leader it would require an English MP to step down in her favour. Not a probability, hence 16.5/1. On the other hand if it looks a choice between Boris and someone else who could that someone else possibly be? An anti-Boris grouping might consider her the only choice to get behind.
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Whats the thinking behind her needing an English constituency? Isn't there a decent argument there that it disenfranchises MPs from the other home countries in that case?
 
The news is just depressing at this point, our goverment despite knowing the conditions for months stamps their feet that its all so unfair.

I wish Hammond would just launch a leadership bid, i feel he'd be much more reasonable in his approach.
 
Kentonio said:
Whats the thinking behind her needing an English constituency? Isn't there a decent argument there that it disenfranchises MPs from the other home countries in that case?
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Sorry, I was thinking 'safe seat' when I wrote that, which would most likely be English of course. Also imagining the famous tory 'men in grey suits' orchestrating such an event, with the sitting MP promised a seat in the Lords and an easy yet paid life for ever more.
 
Sweet Square said:
It's worth a bet but there's really no chance of her winning as she is unpopular with the undead Tory base.
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I also feel like she does relatively well out of her lower profile down south. I've seen little to suggest that Ruth Davidson actually is any good, and has more been in the beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time in Scotland (people tend to ignore her record as leader of the Scottish Conservatives before 2015).

If she had to do more than stick her head up every now and again and take a snipe at Corbyn I think she'd quickly lose popularity.
 
devilish said:
You dont seem knowledgeable about the very institution you worked for
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I know that it is becoming increasingly moribund, it is inherently incompetent and has a long history of corruption (See Edith Cresson affair and related Commissioner resignations), that external independent audits are still in short supply and as mentioned recently, the EU Commission itself points out it is estimated there are more than 30 different ways to calculate net figures for budget contributions.(*)

The EU thinks we owe it some money, but it has absolutely no idea how much and no way or working out how much. If and when we do decide to pay it any money it will be as a result of a negotiation not a itemised Bill, this fact is now sinking home with Tusk etc. and he/they really don't know what else to do, except to announce that they follow us over the cliff edge, bringing the rest of the EU crashing down as the remoaners' would have us believe!

((*) Spanner, I know you are reading this, this one's for you!)
 
712 said:
Sorry, I was thinking 'safe seat' when I wrote that, which would most likely be English of course. Also imagining the famous tory 'men in grey suits' orchestrating such an event, with the sitting MP promised a seat in the Lords and an easy yet paid life for ever more.
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Ah yeah I see your point. The optics in Scotland would be horrific though I'd imagine.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I also feel like she does relatively well out of her lower profile down south. I've seen little to suggest that Ruth Davidson actually is any good, and has more been in the beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time in Scotland (people tend to ignore her record as leader of the Scottish Conservatives before 2015).

If she had to do more than stick her head up every now and again and take a snipe at Corbyn I think she'd quickly lose popularity.
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I think she has done a good job overall, though she has taken advantage of some good luck like you said. However, she mentioned a few days ago that London conservatives should look to the job Scottish conservatives have done and consider a different platform/ manifesto etc to the national party, to cater for its different population. Whether she would be able to speak and appeal to the Tory base nationwide, I'm not so sure tbh.




Some of the utter ignorance in this thread would genuinely be hilarious if it wasn't so saddening and as I've said before, I'm struggling to see my future in the UK currently (for a few different factors, including nonsense like Brexit and the militancy of some of its most ardent supporters).
 
I Believe said:
I know that it is becoming increasingly moribund, it is inherently incompetent and has a long history of corruption (See Edith Cresson affair and related Commissioner resignations), that external independent audits are still in short supply and as mentioned recently, the EU Commission itself points out it is estimated there are more than 30 different ways to calculate net figures for budget contributions.(*)

The EU thinks we owe it some money, but it has absolutely no idea how much and no way or working out how much. If and when we do decide to pay it any money it will be as a result of a negotiation not a itemised Bill, this fact is now sinking home with Tusk etc. and he/they really don't know what else to do, except to announce that they follow us over the cliff edge, bringing the rest of the EU crashing down as the remoaners' would have us believe!

((*) Spanner, I know you are reading this, this one's for you!)
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That's not the point. You keep making some basic mistakes like saying that Germany and the UK are the only net contributors etc. I wouldn't expect that from someone whose been involved in the EU. There again, you might not have been in the political side of things which in that case, that's fair enough. When I was in the ministry I didn't expect the gardener there to know what's the ministry targets were either.
 
devilish said:
I hope you're joking else I can't believe I wasted so much time debating with you
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With all due respect, why are you bothering? Does this look like a conversation where the other person is interested in having an adult conversation backed up by facts?
 
I Believe said:
Where did I mention UKIP?

That ship has sailed, Nigel's looking for a new political platform... can you guess which it will be?
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Well we all know UKIP is the Nazionalist wing of the Tory party,and I knew where you were heading.
Shouldn't he announce that he is no longer a UKIP MEP and go independent.

Imagine if Farage became PM, Boris Johnson would win Diplomat of the Year.
This closeness towards USA makes more sense as only Trump would consider dealing with the UK with Farage as leader. The UK would truly be on it's own, Hear North Korea are looking for trade partners.

Bizarrely I think you actually believe all this nonsense.

Just got in from my bike ride - looks as if deadlock in the negotiations, tick tock ,tick tock, pound takes another pummeling
 
Massive Spanner said:
Indeed, the oldest person in here is behaving like the biggest child.
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Oooh, Spanner, that was nasty, now stop stamping your feet and show me some real facts, not opinions, not bullshit, just facts, for example;

Britain is not in the euro-zone, this means it is in the minority of countries within the EU 28 members

Lets debate this fact and its possible bearing on Britain's future if it were to stay in the EU, what positives or negatives can be drawn from this fact?
 
I Believe said:
Oooh, Spanner, that was nasty, now stop stamping your feet and show me some real facts, not opinions, not bullshit, just facts, for example;

Britain is not in the euro-zone, this means it is in the minority of countries within the EU 28 members

Lets debate this fact and its possible bearing on Britain's future if it were to stay in the EU, what positives or negatives can be drawn from this fact?
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This fact is close to irrelevant. It's not a big deal and probably never will, ironically France is one of the countries with an exemption(We have the Euro and the Franc Pacifique) and I don't think that we intend to change that any time soon if ever.
 
I Believe said:
Oooh, Spanner, that was nasty, now stop stamping your feet and show me some real facts, not opinions, not bullshit, just facts, for example;

Britain is not in the euro-zone, this means it is in the minority of countries within the EU 28 members

Lets debate this fact and its possible bearing on Britain's future if it were to stay in the EU, what positives or negatives can be drawn from this fact?
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What do you mean?

Sticking with the Sterling has always been a big positive for the UK within the EU. What bearing would it have on their future if they were to stay, exactly?
 
JPRouve said:
This fact is close to irrelevant
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How close to irrelevant and why is it irrelevant when majority decisions in the EU affecting currency values will be to support the euro not the pound?

All decisions that affect the major currencies Euro/Dollar/Pound Sterling reverberate world wide.

So naturally the euro zone countries are going to support actions taken by the EU that protect or promote the value of the Euro (as you would expect), whether it helps or hinders the value of Sterling, Britain being in the minority we can doing nothing, except sit on our hands and hope the crumbs that fall, fall our way!
 
Massive Spanner said:
Sticking with the Sterling has always been a big positive for the UK within the EU.
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Can you explain why that is the case?

In particular why there was a run on Sterling when Norman Lamont tried to gets us into the ERM (exchange rate mechanism -this was the one that was supposed to link us and then run us alongside the euro and it was suppose to be Britain's first step, before going into the euro 'all in'?

Massive Spanner said:
What bearing would it have on their future if they were to stay
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What I mean - See earlier reply to JPRouve where I've tried to flesh out what I mean
 
I Believe said:
How close to irrelevant and why is it irrelevant when majority decisions in the EU affecting currency values will be to support the euro not the pound?

All decisions that affect the major currencies Euro/Dollar/Pound Sterling reverberate world wide.

So naturally the euro zone countries are going to support actions taken by the EU that protect or promote the value of the Euro (as you would expect), whether it helps or hinders the value of Sterling, Britain being in the minority we can doing nothing, except sit on our hands and hope the crumbs that fall, fall our way!
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It's totally irrelevant.

As for the second part, I don't understand your point. Why would the UK directly influence the policy of a currency that isn't his? You are not in the minority, you are out of it and can totally control your own currency.


Edit: I think that I just don't understand your point. Initially I thought that you were worried about the EU forcing you to take the Euro but it seems that what you are complaining about is the fact that not having the common currency doesn't give you the benefits of having the common currency, which is confusing.
 
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