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vidic blood & sand said:
Strategist / advisor.

Nuff said.
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My god you must be called John Snow.

This is the guy who is widely credited as the mastermind behind the Brexit campaign's success online and afaik the one who invented the 'take back control' slogan which, of course, was a lie.

If he says this, you should take notice but I won't hold my breath.
 
Sigma said:
Pretty high up position.
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Rightnr said:
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My god you must be called John Snow.

This is the guy who is widely credited as the mastermind behind the Brexit campaign's success online and afaik the one who invented the 'take back control' slogan which, of course, was a lie.

If he says this, you should take notice but I won't hold my breath.
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Didn't he say that the referendum was a dumb idea?
 
Dan said:
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To be honest that page seems to be a series of shorthand comments regarding the primary question given at the top of the page. To me the hard Brexit bit looks like an opposition talking point the validity of which the very next paragraph seeks to undermine. I don't think it's an "apparent warning" at all.

Edit: Yeah, what the guardian reports Hunt's Aide as saying. Sounds most likely to me.
 
Drifter said:
Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS claim on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...u-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html
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Listening to Cummings (who was the brains behind the Leave campaign), you once again wonder how many Brexiteers were actually motivated by a desire to leave the EU as opposed to wanting to win political games in the Westminster bubble to show how clever they are. It's one thing playing games in an election for a 5 year parliament, it's an entirely new level of irresponsibility on an issue whose impact may be felt for a generation or more.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Listening to Cummings (who was the brains behind the Leave campaign), you once again wonder how many Brexiteers were actually motivated by a desire to leave the EU as opposed to wanting to win political games in the Westminster bubble to show how clever they are. It's one thing playing games in an election for a 5 year parliament, it's an entirely new level of irresponsibility on an issue whose impact may be felt for a generation or more.
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They definitely under estimated the strength of feeling from the voters and were genuinely shocked when they actually won.
 
I don't understand all the fuss anyway. We all know that people fleeing the UK is precisely what the majority of Brexit voters wanted in the first place.
 
Clearly like the rest of the Vote Leave brigade Cummings was flabbergasted that they/he actually managed to convince people to vote out of an organisation which protects our Human Rights and provides both a marketplace for our overpriced goods and services whilst at the same time ensuring we get what we want on the relative cheap.

Obviously already getting his excuses in early because soon it will be welcome to the real world time and we might find we are not the Great Imperial Power we once were
 
I don't get the brexiters.
They're now saying we need hard brexit because we won't get a deal.
For years, they were saying we should leave because we'd get a great deal.
 
Adisa said:
I don't get the brexiters.
They're now saying we need hard brexit because we won't get a deal.
For years, they were saying we should leave because we'd get a great deal.
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Just like they said the EU is crap at negotiating deals.

Well potentially be walking away from deals with Canada, Japan and If trump wasnt there, maybe the US
 
Paul the Wolf said:


Another pro-Brexit paper .
As the pound drops again to €1.1250/£1 - when will we hear "what have we done?!"
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But wait. I thought all the people who predicted bad things for the British economy as a result of Brexit were proven wrong because it didn't tank immediately after the referendum result? This is all so confusing...
 
I'm the only one amazed by the lack of movement/noise/debate re negotiations at this stage? Doesn't seem like there is that much groundwork going on behind the scenes in terms of withdrawal. Taking into account how highly complex, interconnected, and sophisticated current membership is..Not sure how well thought out withdrawal/deal can be achieved in just 20 months from now even with army of specialists in that field, which Britain does not seem to have.
 
Rajma said:
I'm the only one amazed by the lack of movement/noise/debate re negotiations at this stage? Doesn't seem like there is that much groundwork going on behind the scenes in terms of withdrawal. Taking into account how highly complex, interconnected, and sophisticated current membership is..Not sure how well thought out withdrawal/deal can be achieved in just 20 months from now even with army of specialists in that field, which Britain does not seem to have.
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Apparently they don't need a plan because the EU will give in to all the UK's demands.
Talks restart next week -there isn't 20 months because the EU want 6 months to put the agreed terms to the rest of the members so 14/15 months at most to have an agreement which will be just the leaving part and at best some kind of transitional deal. But to get even that the UK have to change stance considerably.
 
David Davis's evidence to the Lords EU committee on Brexit - Summary
That was one of the less revelatory committee hearings we’ve had on Brexit. That may be because the committee was pressed for time, and with the chair trying to let a large number of peers have a say, there was not much time for proper follow-up questions.

Still, some news seeped out. Here are the key points.

  • David Davis, the Brexit secretary, rejected claims that the government had softened its stance on Brexit since the election. He said he had read some stories on this “with amusement”.
There’s been a degree of misinterpretation, I think ... I think the press has over-played any softening, as you put it.

Davis suggested that, because ministers are now talking about accepting some aspects of EU membership during a post-Brexit transitional phase, that was being seen as a watering down of the government’s position. But it wasn’t, because this was always an option, he implied. He may have been thinking about stories like this one, on the front of today’s Financial Times.

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  • Davis said there probably would have to be a transition period - but he claimed it would be for the sake of countries like France, not for the sake of the UK. And it was the transitional period that was leading to mistaken claims that the UK was watering down its stance, he claimed.
What has been conflated, I think, a little bit, has been the approach to the implementation stage, or the transition phase - use the phrase you like. Yes, I believe we can get a free trade negotiation concluded, and a customs agreement negotiation concluded, in the period. What will be much more difficult, however, is to get all the practical implementations that go with it. Not so much for us; it will be quite tough to get our customs in the right place in two years, but it’s doable. But to get the French customs in the same place in two years, or the Belgian or the Dutch customs, I think is a different issue. That’s why a transitional period [may be necessary.]

So it’s a whole series of practicalities. And what people are doing, I think, is misinterpreting a statement saying ‘We might have to do something in [the] transition period’ as being an abandonment of the original aim.

  • He said that his position on a transitional period and Philip Hammond’s were almost identical. You could hardly get a cigarette paper between them, he said. He said the same was true of their views on immigration; neither of them wanted to close the door to immigration, he said.
  • He brushed aside Boris Johnson’s claim that the EU could “go whistle” over its Brexit bill demand. (See 1pm.) Asked about this, he said:
Bluntly, I wouldn’t worry. I mean you will have to get the foreign secretary here to explain his views if you really wanted to. I’m not going to comment on other ministers.

He also said that people in Brussels took what they saw in British papers “if anything, too seriously”.

  • He said a final deal on the rights of EU nationals would not be agreed soon, because it would end up being part of the final deal. But he said he hoped to reach an interim agreement soon.
I don’t expect we are going to get to a treaty in the immediate future, but what I would hope we would get to is a very substantive heads of agreement which we can initial and say that’s what we want at the end game. That I think will give people a degree of confidence in their own lives.

  • He said the final deal on the Irish border would not be settled until near the end of the process.
  • He said British policy on the “divorce bill” for leaving the EU was “not to pay more than we need to”. He also said the government would not accept the EU’s “first claim” without going through it line by line.
  • He said the government might publish its own proposal for what the UK should have to pay for leaving the EU, possibly later this week.
  • He admitted he did not know how many women were on the UK’s Brexit negotiating team.

I believe David Davis is certifiably insane.
 
Transition period for the sake of France:lol:
It's a pity the uneducated will believe this shite.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
David Davis's evidence to the Lords EU committee on Brexit - Summary
That was one of the less revelatory committee hearings we’ve had on Brexit. That may be because the committee was pressed for time, and with the chair trying to let a large number of peers have a say, there was not much time for proper follow-up questions.

Still, some news seeped out. Here are the key points.

  • David Davis, the Brexit secretary, rejected claims that the government had softened its stance on Brexit since the election. He said he had read some stories on this “with amusement”.
There’s been a degree of misinterpretation, I think ... I think the press has over-played any softening, as you put it.

Davis suggested that, because ministers are now talking about accepting some aspects of EU membership during a post-Brexit transitional phase, that was being seen as a watering down of the government’s position. But it wasn’t, because this was always an option, he implied. He may have been thinking about stories like this one, on the front of today’s Financial Times.

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  • Davis said there probably would have to be a transition period - but he claimed it would be for the sake of countries like France, not for the sake of the UK. And it was the transitional period that was leading to mistaken claims that the UK was watering down its stance, he claimed.
What has been conflated, I think, a little bit, has been the approach to the implementation stage, or the transition phase - use the phrase you like. Yes, I believe we can get a free trade negotiation concluded, and a customs agreement negotiation concluded, in the period. What will be much more difficult, however, is to get all the practical implementations that go with it. Not so much for us; it will be quite tough to get our customs in the right place in two years, but it’s doable. But to get the French customs in the same place in two years, or the Belgian or the Dutch customs, I think is a different issue. That’s why a transitional period [may be necessary.]

So it’s a whole series of practicalities. And what people are doing, I think, is misinterpreting a statement saying ‘We might have to do something in [the] transition period’ as being an abandonment of the original aim.

  • He said that his position on a transitional period and Philip Hammond’s were almost identical. You could hardly get a cigarette paper between them, he said. He said the same was true of their views on immigration; neither of them wanted to close the door to immigration, he said.
  • He brushed aside Boris Johnson’s claim that the EU could “go whistle” over its Brexit bill demand. (See 1pm.) Asked about this, he said:
Bluntly, I wouldn’t worry. I mean you will have to get the foreign secretary here to explain his views if you really wanted to. I’m not going to comment on other ministers.

He also said that people in Brussels took what they saw in British papers “if anything, too seriously”.

  • He said a final deal on the rights of EU nationals would not be agreed soon, because it would end up being part of the final deal. But he said he hoped to reach an interim agreement soon.
I don’t expect we are going to get to a treaty in the immediate future, but what I would hope we would get to is a very substantive heads of agreement which we can initial and say that’s what we want at the end game. That I think will give people a degree of confidence in their own lives.

  • He said the final deal on the Irish border would not be settled until near the end of the process.
  • He said British policy on the “divorce bill” for leaving the EU was “not to pay more than we need to”. He also said the government would not accept the EU’s “first claim” without going through it line by line.
  • He said the government might publish its own proposal for what the UK should have to pay for leaving the EU, possibly later this week.
  • He admitted he did not know how many women were on the UK’s Brexit negotiating team.

I believe David Davis is certifiably insane.
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What is he talking about? The french customs are everywhere in France.
 
JPRouve said:
What is he talking about? The french customs are everywhere in France.
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Clearly he has no idea at all what he's talking about, just about every single statement he made in that hearing is either wrong or delusional. None of it makes any sense.
This person is supposedly heading the Brexit negotiations for the UK - it is beyond belief.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Clearly he has no idea at all what he's talking about, just about every single statement he made in that hearing is either wrong or delusional. None of it makes any sense.
This person is supposedly heading the Brexit negotiations for the UK - it is beyond belief.
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Maybe he is talking about the border Police which is different from Customs but even then nothing will really change for France which is an other story for Dover, if France and the UK cancel the Calais agreement.
 
JPRouve said:
Maybe he is talking about the border Police which is different from Customs but even then nothing will really change for France which is an other story for Dover, if France and the UK cancel the Calais agreement.
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He said customs, the border police is something else but that changes little. He mentioned Belgian and Holland as well. How will the Uk have all measures in place for imports from and exports to 27 countries .and especially as he seems to suggest it will under WTO rules anyway because they won't be in the single market or the customs union.
Nevermind the Irish border question which will not be "towards the end of the process" neither will the rights of the EU nationals be in the final deal.
I don't think the UK government have taken one bit of notice of what they've been told by the EU and are still under the impression that it is still the cake and eat it deal.
Next week could be a rude awakening for Davis
 
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