David Davis looks like he's been put through the wringer today.
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Unless we track down the serial number of his ballot paper!
What happens to ballots after they've been counted?
They won't have even started yet!
Kept for a bit in case of an appeal and then shredded I would imagine.
They've decided on the timetable, the EU timetable not the David Davis timetable
Great so despite all the grandstanding from the tories they've already given into the timetable. Tough negotiators
Was always going to happen to be fair i just dont understand why they pretended otherwise
Was always going to happen to be fair i just dont understand why they pretended otherwise
Davis is an absolute liar and an incompetent bluster-filled fool. The thought of him as interim PM makes me despair. Where have all the competent people in this country run off to?
Good to see our fearless negotiators are making concessions already. Strong and stable.
The times I've seen him on TV I've always thought nobody could be that smug and confident without actually having something massive to fall back on. But the emperor does not seem to be wearing any clothes.
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You have the wrong idea. Non EU nationals are not entitled to most of the benefits so cost the govt a lot lot less than EU nationals. Especially in case of the nurses.
Something about trade deficits and Prosecco.
You're the people in the matchday forums telling us were gonna lose before a ball is kicked.
Order of talks were always going to begin with immigrant rights, and the the rights of Brits abroad, and financial settlements etc.
Both sides accept that NOTHING is agreed until everything is agreed. So let the EU map out their intentions, and let them tell us what they want, and we'll tell them what they'll get.
Both sides accept that NOTHING is agreed until everything is agreed. So let the EU map out their intentions, and let them tell us what they want, and we'll tell them what they'll get.
You're the people in the matchday forums telling us were gonna lose before a ball is kicked.
Are you seriously suggesting that Davis hasn't been going on about parallel talks ever since the result last year? Is that even a question?
Do Brexiteers have as much difficulty grasping reality as Trump?
What the hell are you on about he and the rest have been banging the drum we fundamentally disagreed with that approach for nearly a year now. That we wouldn't be held to divorce talks first.
In case thats too hard to grasp here's words from the man himself, saying we're now in a worse position
Trade negotiations should start in October. That is absolutely fine.
It is obvious that most things have to be discussed in parallel, but there are some issues more important than trade.
As I said, trade deals are supposed to start in October. With the extent of complexity leaving the customs union, that's pretty good.
Wonder what it's like to live in Denial Cuckoo Land
Anyone notice Barny saying that he believed a fair deal was acheivable that was better than no deal?
The only problem is what the EU see as a fair deal and what the Brexiteers consider a fair (i.e. give us everything for nothing) deal are two very definitions of fair in this context.
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Anyone notice that the terms of leaving have to be decided before anything is discussed regarding the future relationship and that a trade deal is not exactly top of the EU agenda despite "the EU needs the UK more than the UK need the EU"
Funny that, it's almost as if Project Fear is coming true.
What benefits are you going on about ??
People with a job as a nurse don't get benefits, do they ?
Feckin' 'ell....Listen out carefully for the air raid sirens that Call Me Dave warned you about....
If you think a warning on war and a warning on economics are exactly the same, I cannot help you, unfortunately.
Dead right you couldn't help me....
LOL at the guardian readers here.
Trade discussions will obviously be important to both sides, because both sides want to end ecconomical uncertainty.
The British side didnt want to wait until the last minute to discuss trade. That isn't going to happen, it will begin in only 4 months. However, a lot of issues are intertwined, and so will be discussed in parallel. The fact that people can see capitulation during the first formal discussions, simply points to the fact they want our side to fail badly, and are looking for it.
To start discussions on a trade deal is a compromise on both sides, as the EU were moaning about it being a lot later in the process.
Trade discussions will obviously be important to both sides, because both sides want to end ecconomical uncertainty.
The British side didnt want to wait until the last minute to discuss trade. That isn't going to happen, it will begin in only 4 months. However, a lot of issues are intertwined, and so will be discussed in parallel. The fact that people can see capitulation during the first formal discussions, simply points to the fact they want our side to fail badly, and are looking for it.
To start discussions on a trade deal is a compromise on both sides, as the EU were moaning about it being a lot later in the process.
Trade discussions will start out if the UK agrees to pay what the EU think its due. Unless that is agreed first then there will be no trade deal discussions. The discussions will either halt or they will be delayed stripping the UK from valuable time needed to seal a meaningful trade deal with its biggest market
What a mess
Hammond has definitely broken rank this morning. Seeing blood he's quite clearly putting pressure on May/Davis et al, basically saying that anything different to the exact same terms would not be acceptable and damaging for the economy. May now has a Chancellor she cannot sack, effectively saying in public her government's position of "no deal is better than a bad deal" is shite.
Yet he wants out of the customs union and the single market. None of these politicians make sense. All he's doing is giving people sufficient time to take their money out of the UK in an orderly manner.
Sorry man, but you gotta explain this @AshfordLad ? How does a Turkish nurse working in the UK, on the same salary as a Swedish nurse working in the UK, cost the government a lot lot less?
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What a mess.Hammond not mincing his words.
May has lost control.
Cabinet has gone to the dogs.
Nice change from their normal days out at the circus I guess.
Pound taken another dive.
More expensive to send money to my parents.
More expensive to send money to my parents.
I think he's implying non-EU people are not entitled to the same state benefits such as childcare and all those.