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The commissioners are appointed by elected people
Poor UK being controlled by evil EU
So you accept it as fact, but don't mind it at all?
Laws are created and passed by the European Parliament which is made up of elected officials.
Laws are enforced by the European commission. Members of the European commission have been put there by elected members of various government.
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I think you're the one that needs to educate yourself.
Laws are enforced by the European commission. Members of the European commission have been put there by elected members of various government.
@vidic blood & sand
I think you're the one that needs to educate yourself.
But they are not elected by the people.
You're being obtuse.
Did you vote for the person that sets your interest rate?
Which I have no problem with. There are plenty of jobs within UK government institutions where people are appointed.
What exactly would a manifesto for EU commissioner look like?
Laws are originally proposed by the European Commission, and then must be approved by the EU before being enforced.
The point made was about the British public having very little to no say in these laws.
Seriously, you must be trolling. UK has one of the most seats in the EU parliament so if you think UK doesn't have any voice and are being controlled by EU, maybe you elected wrong people or you just don't know what you are talking about?
C'mon....We've had this discussion before....Many Times.
The president of the Commission ( this time, Slimeball Juncker ) is 'decided' by the 'Leaders' of the EU Member States and then approved by the European Parliament. Amazingly, Juncker is the very first President to have actually campaigned to be President, and the very first who was not elected unanimously by the EU Parliament. His contempt for the UK is probably becuse Cameron didn't want him as President, but was outvoted by the other 27.
If a majority of just 28 people deciding who is going to be The President of 300+ million people is Democracy, then it can only be EU style Democracy.
You're clearly overestimating the influence of the MEP.
No, and I didn't vote for the person changing the recipe of Milky Bars. Let's be reasonable here.
It's a qualified majority not a simple one and every country has a veto. The president of the Commission isn't the president of the EU, the president of the EU is the EU council as a corporation that corporation is represented by the President of the EU council namely Donald Tusk.
What I said, isn't it ?
Juncker is the one with the 'power' and is the leader of the Commissioners who are the ones who create the legislation and are nominated by the elected politicians of each member state. As you say, in theory we have elected the politicians who nominate the Commisioners. However, we in France and those in the UK did not elect the Governments in Germany, Portugal, etc, so it's a bit of a 'stretch' to say that the Commissioner nominated by, say, Croatia, was elected either directly or 'representatively elected' by anyone in France or the UK.
Tusk is a non-Excutive President, basically just ceremonial like the President of Germany or the President of Italy, who nobody outside of Germany or Italy could even tell you their names.
Nope, the one with the power is the EU council, it's that simple. The rest is wrong because Croatia doesn't elect a commissioner, they propose one and those proposed commissioners are, selected by the council at a qualified majority, then they are vetted by the parliament and then officially nominated by the EU council members at a qualified majority.
Perhaps they would have had more influence if the British people had not voted for UKIP MEPs whose only interest was to pick up their salary and pension (which they no longer wish to contribute to) and not bother to actually do their job like attending sessions and voting.
Hope you are happy with your choice of the Brexit team that you have appointed to take part in the negotiations and that whatever is agreed by that team will have your wholehearted approval because you chose them and that you will be kept fully informed of the progress of the said negotiations despite the fact that your PM wants to keep this information secret from parliament and the British public. Democracy at its finest in good old Blighty.
No....I didn't say Croatia elect a Commissioner....I said Croatia nominated a Commissioner, which is more or less proposed as you describe it.
Although an Elected Commissioner does seem like an improvement on the current methods.
Off to the beach now - I'll get back to you later.
When we vote we give our MP the power to vote on our behalf in Parliament. The PM votes on our behalf in Europe. Their is no democratic deficit
You still don't get it, they propose and that proposition is submitted to a vote at the qualified majority, they don't nominate a commissioner. As for the second part, it might be an improvement for you but I am unable to elect a commissioner in charge of External relations, I don't have the tools and knowledges to do that.
I'd love for someone to explain to me how this can be anything but a disaster.
Perhaps a disaster is OTT.
How can this be a good thing? How are we going to come out of the EU better off..? I don't see it.
In 30 years time, perhaps we'll be slightly better off than we are now? But what if in 30 years time, we'd be significantly better off by staying?
I see a major decision that could have huge consequences, with minimal potential gains?
Typically when you take a risk, the potential reward is worth it.
I don't see any potential 'rewards' despite the risk being substantial.
PS: Is it just me? Or are most of those defending brexit in this thread not currently residing in the UK?
Perhaps a disaster is OTT.
How can this be a good thing? How are we going to come out of the EU better off..? I don't see it.
In 30 years time, perhaps we'll be slightly better off than we are now? But what if in 30 years time, we'd be significantly better off by staying?
I see a major decision that could have huge consequences, with minimal potential gains?
Typically when you take a risk, the potential reward is worth it.
I don't see any potential 'rewards' despite the risk being substantial.
PS: Is it just me? Or are most of those defending brexit in this thread not currently residing in the UK?
It's the other way round, most of us residing outside of the UK think Brexit was a ludicrous decision.
How can someone vote for something where they have no clue about and cannot cite any realistic benefits of that vote.
In this thread I mean, out of the few defending Brexit here. They all seem to currently reside outside of the UK.
I imagine the vast majority of Europe, think its a silly decision.
I also mean in this thread, can only think of full bodied red and stanley road living outside the UK who are anti-EU, the rest live in the UK I believe
This thread is made up of a group of expats having the same arguments over and over again. Worst thread in the CAF for me.
I would have thought that the mechanical structure of the thread would have pleased you.
I would have thought that the mechanical structure of the thread would have pleased you.
I have my limits.
It has certainly seen better days
We'll have very little to no say in our laws when we're independent too.
And it's probably for the best, the public are idiots.
With all the backing for Corbyn, you may be on to something.
A little birdy? I posted it on here. My wife is Brazilian, at the moment we choose to live here as better for us career wise, but she has two terminally ill grandparents, and she's head of the family, so we are relocating for a while. Unlike you I have confidence in the UK regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, the EU didm't make Britain Great.
Sorry for your wife. And I kind of agree with you on the UK, as long as you have good governments, you'll be fine.
Sorry to hear about your wife's grandparents. Wish you good luck.
Hope it's still as "Large" when you come back.
I hope your misses has a UK passport because getting a VISA is going to be made even shutter than it is now
No idea what you mean by that comment, guessing it's insulting and disparaging.
Bizarre comment, comes across as racist. She doesn't have a UK passport, there is absolutely no reason why it's going to be made even more 'Shutter' as you say. She is my wife not my 'misses' you fecking prick.
"large" is that some compliment?
Neither one or the other, Great Britain means Large Britain, ie including England , Wales and Scotland
Arguably it did. We've gone away from being one of the leaders of an entity of countries to a smaller nation on its own (in the grand scheme of things compared to the US, China, Russia etc). I was in the States around the time of Trump pulling out of the Paris agreement and when it came to showing the reaction of prominent world leaders, the UK was oft missing and largely irrelevant.
Calm down I'm actually trying to help you out. I have a non EU misses and I've had to go through the process of getting a visa for her so I know how shit the system is.
You'll want to delay having kids unless you're minted as each child means you have to earn an extra 2500 on top of the 18600 minimum. Also you can't count income you've earned abroad, so you'll have to come back on your own for 6 months to build the necessary proof of income for the Visa application. It'll cost 1200 plus various other fees
All this to placate the racist Mail readers.