Trying to find out how welcoming as a nation we are going to be. A family of 4 would need to pay 48k of taxes to not 'burden' the state. There's not that many high rate tax payers who'll pay that much. Not many nurses on that kind of money, and we'll definitely be trying to attract them here
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Trying to find out how welcoming as a nation we are going to be. A family of 4 would need to pay 48k of taxes to not 'burden' the state. There's not that many high rate tax payers who'll pay that much. Not many nurses on that kind of money, and we'll definitely be trying to attract them here
Great 10 years of stagnation after 2007 and we can do it all again from 2019. Woop! Woop!
Yes I agree. The problem will be, though, that Britain will become less competitive and very reliant on service industries. Britain will become more expensive and the man on the street will feel it in his pocket. Public services could deteriorate even more as the government collects less revenue from PLC Britain. That's the whole isssue I have with Brexit, why choose something which is bad for the country as a whole?
Brexit will make it easier for Rupert Murdoch to expand his empire mind.
You are looking at it in simplistic terms. Tax revenues come from other sources aside from paypacket taxes. Higher rate tax payers will add more value to the economy per head which generates tax receipts. What exactly is your argument here anyway? That we should bring in more burdonsome low skilled workers instead?
It is done now though. Hopefull we get a favourable enough transition deal to soften the blow as much as possible.
Except it isn't, which is why hugely decreased regulation of the US banking system ended up with the number of seperate banks dropping from dozens down to a handful. Without regulation, big corporations take more and more control. It's hardly a conspiracy theory.
Not really. Not if you are one of the many thousands of families who look forward to a fairly low-cost fortnight in the European beach resorts. I picked up 100 euros yesterday, it cost me over £94.
If you're not in the position to go to the other side of the world, I don't know where you'd go to get some hot sunshine if you didn't go to Spain, France, Portugal or Italy.
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Low rate tax payers spend almost all the money they make, I suggest they have as big an effect economically as high rate tax payers, cash flow
Not done yet, let's hope we get such a catastrophically stinky deal that people come to their senses before we leave
With the prices of plane tickets nowadays 2 weeks Thailand is probably cheaper than 2 weeks Costa del Sol
The pound has devalued by around 10% against all currencies so that's nowhere abroad that you can go where you don't lose out. You could always go to overpriced British destinations but I believe your whole point is to get more not less for your pound.
Personally it would be impossible for me to cycle from London to Devonport but even if it was possible should I have to inconvenience myself because 17 odd million people can't stand foreigners?
Regardless, personal transport is not the only issue, fuel makes everything go around from necessities like food to luxuries etc.
It's quite obvious that you prefer to stick your head in the sand and think that nothing has changed despite not even living in this country, and so do the Brexit advocates.
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Except it isn't, which is why hugely decreased regulation of the US banking system ended up with the number of seperate banks dropping from dozens down to a handful. Without regulation, big corporations take more and more control. It's hardly a conspiracy theory.
I don't think that we should move to a different sector, because it won't advance anyone's argument.
Do I represent your claims in a resonable way, if I'd summerize them like this:
1) An market for food producers without subsidies would lead to monopolies
2) big cooperations care less about the environment or workers rights than small companies
3) it would have an effect on local communities
4) subsidies are a reasonable tool against this.
- that is a very controversial statement; I don’t know anyone in the wider mainstream who’d make that argument. The market would probably consolidate around big companies (because they are often more productive in a sector like farming), but it wouldn't lead to monopolies. Having a consolidated and very productive market is a good thing, not a bad one. Everyone benefits from low costs for food.
- I don’t know any evidence for that. It just depends on the regulation.
- That is true, but this form of economic change happens all the time in almost every sector.
- That is controversal. Now I am honest enough to admit, that I don’t know which companies actually benefit from agro-subsidies in the EU. If you have any credible analysis about this I’d appreciate it, if you could point me in this direction. hat I know is that the USA also pays massive subsidies and the lion share (~80%+) goes to about 24 very big, very productive corporations.
So in short: Not taking lobbyists (and politicans) into account, it is almost universally acknowledged that the current form of agricultural subsidies is primarily explained by the lobbying power of this industry.
My pending inheritance will be greatly affected by the low pound but I don't feckin whinge about it tho, its just how things work out.
Article 50 Watch - Day 4
Ex-Conservative leader and senior Leave politician Michael Howard threatens war with Spain over Gibraltar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ar-defend-sovereignty-gibraltar-says-michael/
Ex-Conservative leader and senior Leave politician Michael Howard threatens war with Spain over Gibraltar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ar-defend-sovereignty-gibraltar-says-michael/
Was about to post the same. Tories loosing it, working hard to eradicate the last bit of respect their "special partners" have for them.
So you accept there are already consequences and you're happy about them and that's your peril. The person I replied to doesn't accept that there are any hence my comments.
I have a right to show discontent at other people's stupidity.
Lord Howard says in today's Telegraph that May would go to war to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar. Spain is not likely to invade but it holds strong cards to get a treaty on joint sovereignty. Probably the UK was relying on Gibraltar as a way to access the EU single market. But May, Johnson & co have been outsmarted, impossible though that may sound.
As for the holidays - stay British and go to Southend,Blackpool, Fleetwood and Southport.
As for the holidays - stay British and go to Southend,Blackpool, Fleetwood and Southport.
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Peace and harmony in Europe
The UK government will collect all the tariffs, don't forget, and can use them to improve the infrastructure, the NHS, subsidies for UK farmers, subsidies for exporters, whatever...
Best of all, they could also employ Juncker as an advisor on how to turn the UK into a Corporate Tax Haven - he spent 15 years perfecting it as Minister of Finance in Luxemburg, remember - and then the UK Government would get even more tax without doing anything. No public expenditure on the infrastructure, no economic migrants, etc, etc. Just lots of tax from AMazon, Starbucks, etc, which Luxemburg currently gets for doing nothing. Sounds like a win-win to me. And you guys also get to have the benefit of Juncker's wisdom as he could also double up to negotiate with Sturgeon and the rest of the SNP about how stupid they are leaving the United Kingdom and how much they'll suffer, and it's going to cost them £200 million before negotiations even begin.
The bit about Murdoch....I think it is the UK Government which has halted his purchase of SKY - the EU never even noticed he'd made the bid.
You do realise who is paying the tariffs
People who can afford expensive German cars, perhaps ?
There'll be no tariffs on Japanese, Korean, British cars.....And anyway, shouldn't we all be buying Chevrolets ?
Mrs May is acting more and more like Mrs T every day. Oh, and Southport - you'll all be very welcome, but personally I wouldn't come here for my holidays!
War with Spain.
Mental.
Mental.
British politicians are losing their mind.
No , everybody who buys anything that is imported that has a tariff on it. Thus all the money you want to be used to improve all the services you mentioned will be paid by the man or woman in the street or a different way of taxing people - a cheaper way would have been to stay in the EU and increase taxes but not having a devalued currency.
Btw WTO tariffs on cars I believe is 9.8% so there will
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Lost, a long time ago
I have fond memories of those coastal resorts in the north west, who needs Menorca when you've got Morecambe ? Actually, I would be happy to see some people set off across Morecambe Bay sands, without a guide of course.
The silly sabre-rattling is part of a self-defence project I suspect, or at least hope. Tomorrow we'll hear May talking about a referendum for Catalonia.One of the big dangers from now on is that what can be acheived in the negotiations will not be simply because of this type of foolishness.
Can anyone see Farage or Johnson leading from the front ?
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Ah the PL vs La Liga, at last!
You do realize that almost everything is imported, from raw materials to washing liquids, and not just cars?
War with Spain.
Mental.
Wonder what the protocol is for 2 nato members going to war?... Presumably America slaps our bums and tells us to grow up (though given who their president is who knows?)
War with Spain.
Mental.
All we need now is some other Brexit nutter to threaten someone with a plague of locusts and Stan's life will be complete
It seems to be a common beleif that some people were actaully pining for war in 1914, to show their mettle etc ( see Rupert Brooke and co ). I wonder how many of those public schoolboys went over the top reciting Homer to themselves and imagining themselves as Achilles or Ulysses?War with Spain.
Mental.
Most of our male leaders now went to the same public schools, just a thought.
War with Spain.
Mental.
Just involve the US in it and then brag that the uk won yet another world war in europe. Simples
After mentioning the willingness to go to war with Spain, can't they just have a good old game of Chicken Limbo if they're so intent on showing how low they can go.
Suez re-visited, I guess.
We will be offering Catalonia a free trade deal and Barca a place in the premier league by next week at this rate
I am surprised that UK is surprised.It was obvious that Spain wouldn't put the things so easy.
On the other hand El Campo de Gibraltar (the region) has kept a very good relationship with the colony,allowing many things out of the treaty.
Picardo has been always very arrogant.
That statement sounds very "russian" when talking about Eastern Ukraine or Abjazia.
A question,what change for you if you want to visit Spain on holidays after Brexit?
It implies more burocracy?
On the other hand El Campo de Gibraltar (the region) has kept a very good relationship with the colony,allowing many things out of the treaty.
Picardo has been always very arrogant.
That statement sounds very "russian" when talking about Eastern Ukraine or Abjazia.
A question,what change for you if you want to visit Spain on holidays after Brexit?
It implies more burocracy?
He doesn't. He also thinks there are no tarriffs on other cars but European ones should Britain leave the EU, which is not true. There are already tarriffs on cars imported to the EU save for those protected by free trade deals, which wouldn't apply to GB if it leaves the EU. So basically, there would be tarriffs on every car not built in Britain, not only German ones. Which makes pretty much all of them except a few Jaguars. Oh, and Vauxhalls. Cars nobody wants, owned by the French.
1. Mega-farms have already driven small farmers out of business on countless occasions. The US is a really good case study for this. As for everyone benefiting from low cost food, that's simply not true. Farmers don't benefit, low costs and a powerful retail sector push their profit margins lower and lower, until they're either forced to operate at virtually no profit or accept lower standards to ensure they can sell, or begin to operate on a huge scale where they can lower their operating costs and have the clout to stand up to the huge retailers. Low cost food is great in some ways of course, but its by no means a victimless enterprise. Especially as low cost food also usually depends on huge amounts of cheap food being imported, killing diversity of local production.
2. Well it happens in basically any other industry where large firms appear which is why we usually have strict regulations to prevent monopolization (not that you'd knw it looking at the British media ownership, but hey..).
3. Sure, but that argument can basically be extended to 'It doesn't matter is local communities get screwed by whatever change, because things always change anyway'. At some point parts of society needs protecting, because business really doesn't give a single toss about it.
4. America use subsidies as basically bribes to their big corporations, they do it with the oil companies as well. That's a very long way from subsidies to small farmers and producers that allow agriculture to continue to be a diverse and productive enterprise. Subsidies don't have to be to huge companies to help them keep prices down, you can use them for all sorts of outcomes depending on how they are levied.
I like your thinking, they don't call you Sun Tzu for nothing I guess.
Ah...
But not everything is imported from the EU.
Plenty of raw materials and food will actually go down in price without EU tariffs - steel from China and Korea, for instance.
How about lamb from Australia and New Zealand or wheat and beef from the USA. Or textiles from India.
Although I agree it's going to be difficult having to trade in a BMW for a Dacia.
Talking of which, how could I have forgotten Minis to add to my list of stuff that the UK depends on Germany for.
Boy....You guys are not really, really fecked without Germany....You're really, really, really fecked without Germany.