The EU shouldn't allow checks that would discriminate against foreign workers. The law must apply to everyone equally. It's up to the separate nations to design laws that stop the exploitation of workers.
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The EU shouldn't allow checks that would discriminate against foreign workers. The law must apply to everyone equally. It's up to the separate nations to design laws that stop the exploitation of workers.
No argument with that....
But I'd add that there are very, very few starving Kenyans and Tanzanians. Plenty of poor ones, not many hungery ones.
They are here in the UK, to the point where savings levels are as low as they were before the crash
Good. So then I'm sure we'll see the UK help sustain 3rd World economies by, for example, lowering tariffs on roasted coffee beans and raising tariffs on raw coffee beans as soon as they leave the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP...
Wouldn't it be better to assess the situation before making a decision, apparently not. Of course if the Uk retain all the benefits they currently which they assume they will , cheap flights remain, telephone roaming remains the same and so on, but we'll see as time goes on.
For the last point, I meant people who don't pay tax cannot complain about money spent by the government. They can have a voice about other things.
They should be spinning. They sold the idea of a unified Italy as something that will bring a level of playing field to everybody only to implement the Northern Italy way of politics which killed off any sort of industry down South. Any sort of rebellion was crushed by the Army. That's criminal
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-eu-exempt-transfers-signings-a7659381.html
Odd that Premier League clubs just want to maintain the same current EU permit exemptions (although presumably still lose the movement of 16-18 year olds), rather than use it to barter watered down permits from the FA/Home Office for the rest of the world. Far more value/quality in South America, plus marketing opportunity elsewhere.
Odd that Premier League clubs just want to maintain the same current EU permit exemptions (although presumably still lose the movement of 16-18 year olds), rather than use it to barter watered down permits from the FA/Home Office for the rest of the world. Far more value/quality in South America, plus marketing opportunity elsewhere.
I don't disagree with you about the unions, I've had a lot of first hand experience, maybe it's the same in the other countries, but I don't know.
The Uk promise all sort of tax advantages and they wonder why their services are so rubbish but daren't propose tax rises to the electorate, in France the workers have so many rights it is unbelievable, but how does the government get more people back to work when there is a wall of defence stopping progress, does France go through the UK problems of the 60s,70s and 80s . This is not the sole reason though.
I know France has introduced those recommendations but that doesn't get people back to work.
But I still stick to the same point, the UK , Germany, Holland, Ireland have all low unemployment and southern European have higher unemployment.
It does not mean the EU or even the Euro are to blame, it is the individual countries.
Not to worry, if Le Pen gets in, retirement for all at 60, extra holidays, less working hours and probably a free winning lottery ticket for all French white people.
The home office should allow any immigrant from any country with a job offer that pays the top tax rate to come here IMO
I suspect that the UK and the Commonwealth countries will already secretly be discussing what they can do together once the UK leaves the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP. And probably the UK has spent the past six months talking to China, India, Japan, tc, but secretly you understand, because while the UK remains a member of the evil EU they are not allowed to.
Well they did used to but people whinged that useless British players weren't being given the opportunity to be useless in the Premier League so they introduced special football restrictions.
The Uk are looking to trade with the commonwealth countries mainly to sell, not to buy
I'm sure all those countries will be mightily impressed by the shear weight of the government's negotiating power and that Britain will be making trade deals in the interests of sustainability and the British public. It's going to be great days for Britain's weapons industry I reckon.
The problem with that is that it makes Britain uncompetitive and the net result will lead to a loss. Therefore, I predict that exactly the opposite will happen and Britain will become a tax haven.
If they are tax efficient or not once they are here is up to them.
She won't get in...There aren't that many racists in France. I hope.
Your thing about unemplyment in Southern Europe.
At the risk of sounding racist myself, I've always had this theory that there is a different work ethic between Northen Europeans and Southern Europeans which developed over the last 20,000 years. In Northern Europe, if the people didn't work hard in the fields, ploughing, planting, harvesting, etc, they'd have nothing to eat. In Southern Europe, with a milder climate and longer growing season, that wasn't so much a problem as there were always plenty of wild vegetables and fruits that they could just pick when they needed them.
As society developed and then industrialised, the Southern Europeans found it difficult to change after 20,000 years and so carried on with the ' Nature will provide ' attitude. Here in Provence, the locals say that Spain has its famous manana attitude but Provence has 30 equivalent words although none convey the same sense of urgency as manana.
Where the EU comes into it, I believe, is that when it was just a Free Trade Association it was all OK. But when it became the EU, it was constructed and operates on a more sophisticated Northern European model of how an economy and society should work, and too many countries were not ready for the huge change that the EU model has required them to be, and they're still struggling to adapt.
Perhaps some on here will call me racist to say all this, but my theory anyway.
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They are looking to trade but those pesky brown people want visas in return! How dare they belive they can step foot on these blessed isles
I can't see her getting in either but people get tempted by false promises, which is why we're in this thread.
Anyway, I don't find French people lazy at all, as was implied in that article. They are handed a lot of benefits although their salaries are not that high and will take advantage of what they can like most people.
In my experience dealing with the Unions is like a mini-Brexit, the union leaders lie to the workers, the most protected job you can get in France is to be a union leader, whatever happens , you're safe, the perks and benefits that go with that job are beyond belief. The more trouble you can cause, the better off you are - doesn't matter if the companies go bust. The workers are well protected to a degree for a while if they're made redundant but that sort of wears off when they can't get another job.
What about their family? The wife might not earn so much. The kids will need schooling. Are they allowed in too?
I mean this stands up until you look at evidence.
The first great European empire was built by lazy Southern Europeans, also the ancients Greeks who weren't exactly a lazy people.
I'd be interested to know what they're planning to sell to the majority of those people earning a few dollars a day (if they're lucky) but of course there is always Canada, NZ & Oz combined population less than Germany alone.
Yeah....I know.
Maybe they were just resting on their laurels ( geddit ? ) for the next 1,000 years or so
I'm not sure they are interested in selling that much to them. What I am certain they will do is open up this country to so much dirty money it'll make your head spin
UK trade with Germany is a strange one.
What does the UK sell to Germany ? I've no idea, and I've had a few too many full bodied reds tonight to be bothered researching, so maybe you can list it for us.
Meanwhile, I suggest you look around your home/office and have a look what's there that was made in Germany - my wife's German and we often joke about this, beause the only thing in our house is usually just a few bottles of Becks - and I reckon there's not much which are daily essentials to everyday living that couldn't be replaced by something made somewhere else and which would probabaly be an awful lot cheaper.
If, on the other hand, you consider very expensive but highest quality cars and power tools as daily essentials, then you obviously have more money than me.
Of all the EU countries, Germany has the biggest risk if there is no Trade Deal between the UK and the EU.
You sort of contradict yourself by saying Germany doesn't export anything and then say Germany will be most hit if there is no trade deal between the Uk and the EU. The hardest hit by far will be the UK, what do you buy that's British, and please don't tell me it's Boris's chocolate cake made in Walthamstow.
I have all the figures from all countries and all their exports and imports but I don't listen to politicians talking rubbish, I make my own investigation.
Couple of bits of info:
Germany's biggest export destination is the USA followed by France
The biggest exporter of cars to China is Germany and yes Germany's biggest export of all is cars, they sell them worldwide.
Demand for financial services is booming in the likes of China/India but their domestic sectors are way behind.
No...Germany exports billions-worth every week.
What I'm saying is that despite a shit FXRate and potential tariffs, your everyday household bill won't increase because of stuff you HAVE to buy from Germany, even though the UK is Germany's second largest export market and annual UK trade with Germany is about €15 billion negative in favour of Germany.
So on two counts ( German goods will perhaps become too expensive and none are really everday necessities anyway ) lack of free trade between the UK and Germany will hurt Germany for sure. I don't know what the UK exports to Germany, I was hoping you'd tell us so that we could make a judgement whether the sales will dip without a trade deal....That's all.
From the UK in our house ? Off the top of my head, some gin, some English wine, some HiFi equipment, probably some fish landed in the UK, and that's about it, really. The diesel in the cars might be from the North Sea, certainly not from Germany or France.
Well, besides cars & power tools Germany exports nothing to the UK. Well, you do have companies like Beiersdorf and Bayer that sell all kinds consumer brands found in every household in the U.K., but apart from that noth... oh yeah there's the electronic giants like Siemens & Bosch etc who do a roaring trade in the U.K. market, but apart fro.. and the big industrial companies like Thyssen Krupp, BASF and Continental... and you've got mega financial institutions like Deutsche Bank and Allianz, or even your sport clothing fron Adidas.. but apart from that you couldn't say that the Germans do that well in the U.K.
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Without subsidies a lot of farmers will go out of business. Also regulating the market to not overproduce in one area is beneficial for the environment.
I'm generally for the free market but it doesn't seem like a good idea for the country to let our farmers go out of business and then be too heavily reliant on imports, or indeed to neglect a situation where the water supply is getting unnecessarily polluted because we're over producing certain products.
What other solution would you propose?
UK does export plenty to Germany, just a couple of examples:
-Jet Engines
-Cars
-Electronics
-Medicines
-All sorts of financial services
The really weird thing about all the complaints about Germany: The Dutch have a per capita trade surplus with UK that is double of the German surplus. Complaining about the Dutch doesn't work as well, i'll give you that. You currently don't HAVE to buy anything from Germany either, people choose too. Lufthansa doesn't HAVE to buy Trent engines either, but lets hope it will continue to have the choice to do so, if it's whats best for them. UK sales to Germany will definitely dip without a trade deal, as will the trade the other way around. No one will be better off for it.
The UK is saturated with German brands ffs! Nivea, Tui, Lidl, Haribo, T-Mobile, Puma, Braun, Persil, DHL, the list is friggin endless!!! Jesus kin Christ...
Even the Royal Family is bleedin German!
Whatever detail you cling to it is an utter no brainer that trade in both directions will be harder and more expensive. The chances of other non-EU nations making up for the losses and without tariffs is delusional at best. The idea that we are getting away from evil bureaucrats is also laughable - just see how the Tory led charge on workers rights, education, health, social security and human rights works out without EU protections. The practicalities of leaving in terms of border controls alone will be an expensive and chaotic thing to behold. No hard border between Eire and NI will mean we don't have this extra control on our border in any meaningful way anyway and in any case the migration we want to control is non-EU anyway. Then you have the whinging about things like British fishemen suffering. Overall we do better than any other country. The whining is hen we have to share British waters but you don't hear about all the fishing we do in other country's waters. The real problem with fishing is that we have all fecked the ticks by generations of over-fishing.
All in all an utter clusterfeck and a clusterfeck we have wandered into without a plan. If countries were people the UK would currently be Lord Percy thinking of playing the mindless optimism card very strongly.
All in all an utter clusterfeck and a clusterfeck we have wandered into without a plan. If countries were people the UK would currently be Lord Percy thinking of playing the mindless optimism card very strongly.
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I guess we could sell lots of cluster bombs to the rest of the world Wibs!
I know you aren't entirely serious, but it really isn't that bad:
Ahh I can't get it to work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econo...14_United_Kingdom_Products_Export_Treemap.png
There's no one product dominating the UK export, but there's still loads of exporting going on.
I know you aren't entirely serious, but it really isn't that bad:
Ahh I can't get it to work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econo...14_United_Kingdom_Products_Export_Treemap.png
There's no one product dominating the UK export, but there's still loads of exporting going on.
So Germany is Britain's biggest import partner. But not to worry, we'll be able to replace it all with shampoo from India or headphones from New Zeeland.
Yeah I was surprised by that one too.
I wasn't the slightest