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He obviously took the Brexit result quite badly.
http://news.sky.com/story/asda-shel...to-join-militants-in-post-brexit-low-10788720
Among the equipment was Kevlar-lined underpants called "Blast Boxers".
http://news.sky.com/story/asda-shel...to-join-militants-in-post-brexit-low-10788720
Among the equipment was Kevlar-lined underpants called "Blast Boxers".Not reaching any sort of deal will cost a hell of a lot more in the mid to long term than a "divorce bill".
Wallking straight off that cliff with smiles on their faces...
Like the crazy coyote who runs off the cliff and, finding himself suspended momentarily in midair, smiles and thinks everything's fine. We all know what happens next.
Yeah, because if something isn't working the way you want, the very best thing you can do is burn it to the group and hope something better materializes in its place.
I think the thing that makes me most furious (and it's a fairly long list to be fair) is that the pro-Leave people don't seem to have any interest in actually building a new system themselves. It's always just 'we want something better!' and then the people who never wanted the change in the first place are left to fix it all.
Where are the deep, carefully planned strategies from Leave campaigners laying out a roadmap for a future economic direction? No, instead we just get some vague bullshit about new trade deals that are just going to materialize and the rest is left for someone else to figure out.
Oh come on @Kentonio, we all know that if everything turns to shit post Brexit it will be the vindictive EU and the uncooperative remainers that scuppered it.
The same can be said about the stay camp.
Where are your carefully planned strategies for change in the eu?
How would you have convinced the other 27 nations?
Why are you all so negative?
At least they may cheer the feck up as they all shout "Told you so"
One thing I have never got about the 'trade deals'
If we have all this trade we could do with the US, India and everywhere, why haven't we been doing those trade deals for the last 40 years, given we have the EU trade agreements to do it with?
What changes, what trade is going to materialise outside the EU that we did not have inside it?
If we have all this trade we could do with the US, India and everywhere, why haven't we been doing those trade deals for the last 40 years, given we have the EU trade agreements to do it with?
What changes, what trade is going to materialise outside the EU that we did not have inside it?
You already said that, and repeated it once before. Can you respond to my arguement or not? Of course I blame it on the EU, they forced it upon is, they didn't take responsibility for making sure it worked out right, and they prevented national governments from adressing the problems with it.
And on rich bits of Western Europe, the problem is it's not their money, they have lots of overhead and the spending is not democratically checked.
Most countries had those protections in place well before the EU existed. It's a good thing there's one body to work out rules for the whole of the EU, but this not about safety helmet requirements, this is about jobs and wages. The number of laws the EU produces is irrelevant.
Don't you read anything I write? I thought I made it perfectly clear that I'm just opposed to mass migration because of differences in living costs and the wages related to it.
If you could think any further than your own self interest, you'd see there something very wrong with the EU. And as I already pointed out twice, there's nothing wrong with moving from the UK to Germany or the other way around. You move there because there is a job you like there, not because the wages are much higher because life is much more expensive.
Is that all? I thought foreigners were supposed to get equally bad treatment.
Why do you assume we wanted change in the EU?
Simply because I do so love to play devils advocate you can flip this argument entirely on its head and say that the pro-remain people have no interest in actually changing the current system even though a majority of those who voted wanted some form of change. Its the typical liberal response of 'we get you are angry/dissatisfied/disenfranchised ' but be damned if we are going to alter things because 'we are alright jack' and 'we know whats good for you'. No wonder countries end up in shambolic messes. Those in power hear but refuse to take notice.
Many of us recognized that the changes that are so desperately needed are actually needed at a national level. The EU has always been a lazy scapegoat for the major issues which can all be sorted by our own governments. Except that means taking responsibility for the problems, and hey why bother when you can just blame it on the foreigners instead.
Just a wild guess based on some posts in the previous 300 pages of this thread
You didn't want change in your previous post
I said changes made on a national level. The stuff that actually matters, such as the diminishing of workers rights and opportunities have feck all to do with the EU. After Brexit the same problems will still be there, only now we'll also be a poorer country, making conditions even harder on the poor.
I suggest you try telling the Greeks that reduced workers rights, unemployment levels and increasing debt has 'feck all to do with the EU'.
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There is no argument other than it's difficult to police. The answer is not to stop freedom of movement. The answer is to enforce the law effectively.
No, the poor bits, like Wales and the north east of England. The EU has a staff smaller than Birmingham city council. The rules around how money is spent are agreed by the nation states, so their is democratic over site.
They did, but to facilitate trade and prevent a race to the bottom on safety and environmental standards these have been agreed at EU level.
If Britain enforced minimum wage laws there wouldn't be the difference.
If you could see at all you'd know you're blaming the wrong people for the problems you identify
Do you know what Greece was like before they joined the EU?
Greece never joined the EU.
I'm happily telling that to every single Greek I ever see. And they agree.
They've brought this upon themselves and can be lucky the EU bailed them out again and again. Without the EU, the country would be some third world shithole already.
Err what?
What the feck are you talking about?
The EU, Greece joined the EC in the early 80's, but that was a very different institution.
The Greek economy was in a darned sight better shape before they joined the EEC in 1981 than it is now. France's Giscard d'Estaing who played an instrumental role in ensuring that Greece was welcomed into the community has since stated that supporting the Greek membership bid had been a mistake.
In an interview with De Spiegel d'Estaing said the following.
'To be perfectly frank, it was a mistake to accept Greece. Greece simply wasn't ready. Greece is basically an Oriental country. Helmut, (Helmut Schmidt the German Chancellor at the time was also in on the interview) I recall that you expressed skepticism before Greece was accepted into the European Community in 1981. You were wiser than me. The Euro Group cannot be allowed to expand endlessly.'
Helmut himself also said in that interview
"When the Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992, the EU had 12 member states. And these 12 made the mistake of inviting everyone in Europe to join, and even become a member of the monetary union. The currency wasn't actually born until 10 years later. Now, the EU has grown to 27 members, the majority of whom decided to adopt the Euro............ It was a mistake to subsequently accept 16 or 17 of them".
Now I willingly acknowledge that Britain was one of the nations who approved Greece's membership as did the other member states so yes some responsibility must fall on individual governments. Yet it was down to the EEC as a collective that Greece was allowed to join the union and was encouraged later to join the Euro therefore the establishment has a lot to answer for.
In a funny sort of way that is part of the problem for me not just over remain or leave but over politics and politicians in general. Honesty only seems to come to the fore when they are no longer in politics.
Shame really but there you are.My last post on this subject (who said good) One thing that age has taught me is that you can rarely change the opinion of folks as there are always 'alternative facts'
Oh and just so you know I am a remainer who realises I lost and have to make the best of it. For as Winston Churchill reportedly said 'Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others'
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The original composition of the United States was very different from what it is today because institutions evolve
Those were just more bail outs of the banks disguised as support for Greece. More than 90% of the money only passed through Greece. These banks got a lot of interest, because a loan to Greece was supposed to be more risky. But even the banks and other financial institutions who bought Greek debts after the crisis for junk prices got their money back.
Greece joining the euro reflects much worse on the EU. Greece is blamed for cooking the books, but it was Goldman Sachs who came up with the financial 'innovations' to get Greece in the EU. Mario Draghi, now as president of the ECB forcing this disastrous economic program on Greece, used to be one of the top guys at Goldman Sachs Europe. It's the same bank Barroso works for now. The EU checked the Greek books, and said they were all right. Every finance minister in the EU could check it, every member of a national parliament could check it, and they did. There were some who said this was bad news, and Greece should be kept out of the Euro, but that's just not how it works in the EU, the Euro was an important step for further European integration and more power over the member states for the EU. If everyone is to blame, no one is to blame, except for the ordinary Greek citizens of course.
I agree no deal will cost both sides more.
And of course one side has the capacity to absorb a loss more than the other does.
Just saw this on Facebook
For their own sake, hope their wish doesn't come true
For their own sake, hope their wish doesn't come true
You have a Facebook account? Thats just mental.
Only to stay in touch with relatives and friends - rarely post on it - it's good for a laugh
I wouldn't want to test that either way when the alternative is better for both parties.
Well i think most people that use it are dicks and form their opinions from what they read on it. I'm hoping you arent like that.
It's hilarious really, people post on it with their phones and you know exactly what they're doing or where they are at any time of the day. I am not influenced by anything anyone says, have said on here before I inform myself of the reality of things.
But it is a good snapshot of the stupidity of the population in general.
Some comments are mind-bogglingly moronic.
Don't have twitter or any other social media
The UK did try to control immigration from the EU and took it to the Eu, and they fecked the UK off. I'm careful what I wish for based on your wise counsel, but just saying.
They have control of immigration to the extent that as long as the immigrants comply with the requirements to enter and stay in the UK, whether they don't enforce deportation or refusal of entry of those that don't comply then that is down to the UK. The Uk doesn't have open borders.