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Definitely.
Presumably any election will also be around the time article 50 is due...
And a return to a full international border or even the suggestion of one could kick off troubles?
Hummm not looking ideal
It's a nightmare. The Brexit vote really fecked Northern Ireland hard and probably paid a part in tensions being so high right now. It can only make things worse from here too. Middle England fecking the rest of the British Isles. History repeating itself.
My dad consistently jibes to me (I was the only one to vote remain) about how the UK economy is booming post Brexit and every time some little thing goes wrong he jokingly blames Brexit for it.
I need some cold hard facts to throw back in his face.
I need some cold hard facts to throw back in his face.
His argument is absurd to begin with, seeing as nobody knows how the economy would be doing if Remain had won. More than likely a lot better than it has up until this point and definitely a lot less uncertainty about what lies ahead.
He's usually pissed so it's hard to argue against him anyway but I'd just love to properly pin something on him and shut him the feck up over it.
He was (and almost certainly continues to be) firmly of the belief that Brexit was ridiculous and stupid. He is however in charge of a major organization responsible for maintaining Britains financial stability. From the second the result was announced everything he has said publicly has to be seen through the lens of doing what is best to maintain that stability. Unlike randoms on an internet forum, he cannot just say what he thinks because it wouldnt be wildly irresponsible and damaging.
How do you Brexit supporters not understand this stuff? Are you that desperate for some kind of positive confirmation that you didn't make an idiotic, economically suicidal and utterly illogical choice at the ballot box?
So far not that much has happened other than the pound devaluation which will start to affect prices/imports this year.
Would hardly say the UK economy is booming though.
It was doing well, recovering from the previous recession but then decided to shoot itself in the foot.
This is a long term effect that will not happen within a few months.
It all depends on what happens over the next few months. If it is a complete divorce from the EU, then the real effects will gather speed over the next two years. However, if May turned round tomorrow and said actually we're not leaving the EU , the pound would soar.
Without judging the actual vote and whether Brexit is a good or bad thing.
You are arguing with people who were claiming before the vote that the EU was a dictatorship where the members had no say and who are now claiming that Brexit is justified because every member has a say and it prevents simple negotiations.
They just had the bloke on five live who reported it... Apparently he has also reported the pm which is still ongoing and he is taking legal advice about taking them to court.
I should add that he sounded like an utter utter cnut
A troll wasting police time, such hilarity.
Isn't part of the problem though, that it's been biting for many people already, while we were members of the EU. The macroeconomic data has been suggestive of a rosy picture before, yet the fruits of such were reaching fewer voters. Remain's status quo had little in which they could believe, save for more of the same.
There was a report out last week which advanced the idea of that post 2019, Brexit will mean higher wages and lower house prices. Maybe it wont' come to pass to the extent predicted, however the public are seeking those sort of changes to the experience of daily life. Neither Cameron nor Tim Farron for that matter, felt able to push that type of message during the campaign.
If hate crime is a real thing, then she deserves to be investigated for it. Or should we just think that some uneducated dickhead posting something on Twitter is a serious offense but the Home Secretary of the United Kingdom using speech to promote a climate where human beings are thought of as lesser because of their nationality is just fine?
The public are desperate to believe in fairy-tales alright. Just a pity that one side of the debate is so much more willing than the other to tell them what they want to hear, whether or not is has any resemblance to reality.
Lower house prices? Oh that will be a real joy for the 7 million or so morgage holders who suddenly find their property is worth considerably less than the money they borrowed to buy it. Yay negative equity! Who ever said Brexit wouldn't give us anything?
How is what she said hate speech? Obviously people aren't lesser because of their nationality but that doesn't mean that governments aren't allowed to prioritise maximising employment among British citizens either, does it? That's the government's perogative.
There must be something positive about Brexit, somewhere, otherwise 17 million people wouldn't have voted for it, surely.
Which of her remarks do you consider to be a hate crime?
As a first time buyer i would love that, although im highly sceptical it will come to pass (particularly the wages bit).
At least you are consistent: you didn't give a damn about their concerns before the referendum, and you don't now.
Yeah it'll also mean free dental care for every Brit, free Beer for every Brit and a £6000 holiday fund for every family so they can enjoy the new statutory 8 weeks holiday.
She used the term "not taking jobs British people could do.” which might sound innocuous enough taken alone, but considering it was followed by a proposal to force companies to maintain lists of foreign workers they employ, it was part of a larger move to put the blame on to immigrants for the economic problems of the UK (something every study has shown to be nonsense) and to create a divide between native British people and foreigners by posing them as a threat to the economic opportunities of British people.
It was disgusting, which is why she was attacked mercilessly for it, and withdrew her repellant idea after only a week.
Not quite.
It acknowledged that in the year immediately following Brexit there are likely to be further difficulties. However if we are prepared to ride them out, there can be rewards into the 2020s.
Don't tell me what I am or am not concerned about you pompous ass. I live outside the UK now, but I was one of those professional Brits who couldn't afford to get on the housing ladder because of crazy house prices. In the area I come from, prices had up to quadrupled in my lifetime. Unlike you however, I have the sense to look at both sides of the picture, and anything that makes house prices significantly fall is going to be great for new buyers, and absolutely brutal for those already on the housing/morgage ladder. That doesn't mean we should just continue with unaffordable housing, but it does mean that we need a very well thought out and carefully planned solution that doesn't leave 7 million people in negative equality.
But then again your Brexiteers never have cared about thinking things through and carefully planning have you. You're firmly in the camp that believes things are as bad as they could possibly ever be, so lets set fire to the building and see if a better new one magically appears in its place.
Why are leavers so happy to point towards macroeconomic data now when this was the argument before?
Also I find Leave's faux concern for the left behinds, and criticism of Remain voters who think that leaving makes the situation worse for them, utterly exhausting. I have no idea how you can un-ironically act like leaving was the only option for helping them, or that it will mean that the Conservative government, or the Labour government before them, will suddenly care.
Lets be honest, your real motivations and kindred spirits in the leave campaign weren't the same as the working class in the north but the sort of people you're very happy to remind us exist when it suits your argument: very well off, older people in South East England.
It's a bit absurd, isn't it? Theresa May herself probably typifies this argument best.
At the conference she stood up and spoke about how she was speaking up for the common person who's been forgotten, and argued that many were dismissing the opinions of the common Brexiteer and didn't take their fears seriously.
The irony is, of course, that May herself is in this band of people. She was a quiet Remainer, and it's made even worse by the fact she may have believed in Brexit but didn't bother her arse to stand up and fight for it. Had Leave finished with 49.5% of the vote (a tiny swing all in), she'd have given not one single feck about the voices of those disillusioned Brexit voters.
It's become a convenient, populist deflection though: try to make it look like all the working-class were for this, and that all the so-called liberal elite were against it. It's a massive simplification when both sides had some major splits, depending on area, age etc.
@Nick 0208 Ldn what you think will happen with Northern Ireland ? I've yet to hear any plan from anyone who voted to what will happen, at best most didn't even factor it in and at worst they didn't care.
You need to channel your anger to something more positive mate
Has May opened her mouth again? pound's back on the slide.
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As an abstract concept it's very appealing. Close the boarders, keep out the terrorists, stop spending tax-payers money on welfare/health/education for immigrants, stop letting badly run poverty-stricken European countries leach money from the British exchequer etc etc etc It's not hard to see why a lot of people voted for Brexit and the Leave campaign did a good job of using all the above to win their votes.
The reasons why leaving won't actually achieve almost all of these goals and the many other good arguments for not voting Leave are all, unfortunately, a little more complex and were really badly leveraged by the Remain campaign.
The problem being that almost all the appealing arguments are pure inventions. For example EU citizens have no rights to welfare, boarders don't have to be open, health bills are supposed to be paid by the country you are from unless if you are a long term resident, etc...
Yeah, they all fall apart under scrutiny. In the post-truth age we live in that doesn't matter. Nobody wants to listen to experts, do they?!
£350 million a week for the NHS...
Funnily enough, the Leave side seems quite keen to listen to them whenever they have anything positive to say about Brexit, as rare as that may be. Not so much anti-expert, just anti-expert when those experts don't vindicate their views.
The more I read reports from places that were overwhelmingly pro Leave, I begin to reassess how much they were really influenced by the sort of superficially attractive advantages you list above. To a considerable extent, the leave vote in the less prosperous areas comes across a cry of anger from people who feel they have been ignored for nearly 40 years. From the Remain side (comprising, among others, every PM since 1990) it is very difficult if not impossible to counter those deep-rooted feelings of alienation and despair with reasoned arguments about the specific issue at hand.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...deliver-long-awaited-brexit-speech-on-tuesday
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I should probably have put "giving two fingers to the liberal elite" among my lists of poorly thought out rationales above. Obviously more noble but no less flawed. Especially when you see the shower of absolute cnuts who benefitted most from the outcome. Nigel Farage's shit-eating grin in a gold-plated elevator is an enduring symbol of the futility of their gesture.