The EU deal as a group and once a country leaves the group then those trade deals do not apply anymore. Hence why an independent Scotland can't use the UK EU membership to remain in the EU
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The EU deal as a group and once a country leaves the group then those trade deals do not apply anymore. Hence why an independent Scotland can't use the UK EU membership to remain in the EU
I liked the original idea of a Common Market - the body that Britain and Ireland joined in the 70s. Once you go beyond that, you're undermining the idea of the nation state itself, which is a whole different ball game.
I was about to write that, too. I never stop being amazed how little those who voted for Brexit know about the EU. That the EU do trade deals for all members which cannot have separate one has been written in the papers before the referendum and almost daily afterwards, and still some people ignore it.
That's the main reason the UK suffer from a shortage of experts in trade deals. There simply was no need to have them.
Again, you're right, but it's still not so simple. Rights in Europe are only good relative to most other places - i.e, I doubt those Roma or Russian speaking people would fare any better or have more rights in Russia. And now, at least they have venues for recourse and can take those countries to the European courts.
It is that simple. I assure you I am talking from experience. I come from a country who was a spit away from the mad dog himself
It just isn't, mate. You're letting your own experience cloud the full shitshow of international politics and human rights.
The later it's left before either free trade or a transitory deal is agreed, the more businesses will leave the UK for Europe, so the more in Europe's interests it is to promise nothing until the latest point possible (if ever). Not just a hard Brexit, but a delayed period of uncertainty is going to cause significant damage to the UK economy, and that at least, looks inevitable now.
Who knows the details at this stage. But something will be worked out. Countries trade with each other - militaristic dictatorships trade with Swedish hippies; fervent Islamic states overcome their religious scruples to trade with the infidel West; the sacred trades with the profane and the pure with the corrupt; they all do it to make money. Britain isn't going to be sent to the corner to sit by itself.
How is it undermining nation states, they are still free to do what they want?
Sounds like Little Britain, pardon the pun, the only gay in the village.
Yes trading will continue, but there will be no deals in place, which means import/export licences, tariffs, VAT, customs inspections etc which hasn't applied to half their trade in recent times. It's a massive change.
If the Uk want to carry on trade with the EU as before, everyone knows the price.
I hope not, but that's the way I see it. To some it will be worth it of course, to others not.
Prices of Oxo, Bisto and Mr Kipling to rise after pound's Brexit plunge
Premier Foods joins companies seeking to offset weakness of sterling, after Unilever’s row with Tesco over Marmite prices
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...o-bisto-mr-kipling-pound-brexit-premier-foods
Premier Foods joins companies seeking to offset weakness of sterling, after Unilever’s row with Tesco over Marmite prices
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...o-bisto-mr-kipling-pound-brexit-premier-foods
https://www.ft.com/content/8eef080a-d72d-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e
German industry chief backs Berlin’s tough stance on Brexit
German industry chief backs Berlin’s tough stance on Brexit
Government will lose Brexit supreme court case, ministers believe
Senior government figures believe seven of 11 judges will uphold demand that Theresa May secure MPs’ backing for article 50
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-brexit-supreme-court-theresa-may-article-50
Senior government figures believe seven of 11 judges will uphold demand that Theresa May secure MPs’ backing for article 50
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-brexit-supreme-court-theresa-may-article-50
Trade gap increases to £4.2bn as figures 'paint mixed picture' of UK economy
Britain's trade gap widened to £4.2 billion in November as the collapse in the value of the pound failed to significantly boost exports.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that the goods and services deficit - the gap between exports and imports - increased by £2.6 billion from October.
The figures reflect a £3.3 billion increase in imports, while Britain recorded only £700 million of exports.
The ONS said: "The widening of the deficit in November 2016 is attributed to trade in goods in which there were increased imports from both EU and non-EU countries, partially offset by an increase in exports to EU countries.
Sterling fell on the news, with the battered pound down 0.47% to 1.21 US dollars on the day.
The statistics body also released data on industrial output, which showed more encouraging signs.
Industrial output rose by 2.1% in November, ahead of economists' expectations, helped by an increase in oil and gas output and a 1.2% rise in manufacturing activity.
Senior ONS statistician Kate Davies said: "Today's figures continue to paint a mixed picture of the UK's economic performance. Production saw significant growth, mainly down to increased oil and gas output as the Buzzard field came back online along with a boost from the volatile pharmaceuticals industry.
"However, the trade deficit widened as imports of transport equipment, chemicals and portable computers helped eclipse rising exports, while falls in repair work and commercial building led to a small overall decline in construction.
Data out on Wednesday also showed that construction output in November contracted for the second consecutive month, falling 0.2%.
Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight, said: "A mixed set of November economic releases for the UK economy, which on balance kept the economy in with a good chance of recording ongoing resilient GDP growth in the fourth quarter. We estimate expansion of 0.5%.
"Business confidence is likely to be hampered by mounting uncertainty over the Brexit process and slowing economic activity, constraining investment plans and limiting demand for capital goods. This uncertainty will likely be magnified once the government triggers Article 50 and negotiations over the UK's exit from the European Union come to the forefront."
On Tuesday, a forecast by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (Cebr) showed that the economy will grow at its slowest pace since the 2009 recession this year as soaring inflation and lacklustre wage growth bring an end to Britain's consumer spending boom.
Britain's trade gap widened to £4.2 billion in November as the collapse in the value of the pound failed to significantly boost exports.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that the goods and services deficit - the gap between exports and imports - increased by £2.6 billion from October.
The figures reflect a £3.3 billion increase in imports, while Britain recorded only £700 million of exports.
The ONS said: "The widening of the deficit in November 2016 is attributed to trade in goods in which there were increased imports from both EU and non-EU countries, partially offset by an increase in exports to EU countries.
Sterling fell on the news, with the battered pound down 0.47% to 1.21 US dollars on the day.
The statistics body also released data on industrial output, which showed more encouraging signs.
Industrial output rose by 2.1% in November, ahead of economists' expectations, helped by an increase in oil and gas output and a 1.2% rise in manufacturing activity.
Senior ONS statistician Kate Davies said: "Today's figures continue to paint a mixed picture of the UK's economic performance. Production saw significant growth, mainly down to increased oil and gas output as the Buzzard field came back online along with a boost from the volatile pharmaceuticals industry.
"However, the trade deficit widened as imports of transport equipment, chemicals and portable computers helped eclipse rising exports, while falls in repair work and commercial building led to a small overall decline in construction.
Data out on Wednesday also showed that construction output in November contracted for the second consecutive month, falling 0.2%.
Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight, said: "A mixed set of November economic releases for the UK economy, which on balance kept the economy in with a good chance of recording ongoing resilient GDP growth in the fourth quarter. We estimate expansion of 0.5%.
"Business confidence is likely to be hampered by mounting uncertainty over the Brexit process and slowing economic activity, constraining investment plans and limiting demand for capital goods. This uncertainty will likely be magnified once the government triggers Article 50 and negotiations over the UK's exit from the European Union come to the forefront."
On Tuesday, a forecast by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (Cebr) showed that the economy will grow at its slowest pace since the 2009 recession this year as soaring inflation and lacklustre wage growth bring an end to Britain's consumer spending boom.
I wonder if even this tsunami of evidence will convince Brexiters.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ould-make-eu-unity-a-priority-in-brexit-talks
The Social Democrats’ positioning coincides with a survey indicating that German business remains relaxed about negative consequences of Britain leaving the union. According to a study by the Cologne Institute for Economic Research, more than nine out of 10 German firms do not expect strong effects from Brexit on their business activities in the near future.
The survey of 2,900 firms found that only a small share of 2-3% of companies believed Britain’s departure from the bloc of states would have strong negative consequences on their investment and employment. Meanwhile, a quarter of German firms expected to benefit from diversion of business activities away from the UK.
The Social Democrats’ positioning coincides with a survey indicating that German business remains relaxed about negative consequences of Britain leaving the union. According to a study by the Cologne Institute for Economic Research, more than nine out of 10 German firms do not expect strong effects from Brexit on their business activities in the near future.
The survey of 2,900 firms found that only a small share of 2-3% of companies believed Britain’s departure from the bloc of states would have strong negative consequences on their investment and employment. Meanwhile, a quarter of German firms expected to benefit from diversion of business activities away from the UK.
Always nice to see the subjective vibes one is surrounded with confirmed.
If evidence didn't matter prior to the election - and it didn't because the precedent was set when some moron talked about having enough of experts - it certainly doesn't now.
Expecting Boris to announce the UK's first trade deal, post Brexit, with San Escobar
Ah, so now you want to listen to Carney. Right.
When he admits he's wrong yes, when he's full of shit no
University leaders and academics warn hard Brexit could be disaster
MPs told of risk to decades of progress and cooperation, with German universities ‘snapping at heels’ to attract staff from UK
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...eaders-academics-hard-brexit-disaster-germany
MPs told of risk to decades of progress and cooperation, with German universities ‘snapping at heels’ to attract staff from UK
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...eaders-academics-hard-brexit-disaster-germany
Directly from Nigel's Bible on Brexit then. Anyone who disgrees with me is not a decent person, corrupt or has ulterior motives.
I personally think Mark is quite fond of his life in London and is trying hard to change course, so auntie May does not sack him because he disagrees with her Highness.
Carney now thinking re Brexit
" The risk was greater for continental Europe than for the UK, he said."
This from the remainers favourite who will now no doubt be talking shite.
" The risk was greater for continental Europe than for the UK, he said."
This from the remainers favourite who will now no doubt be talking shite.
As shite as ''we had enough of experts'' was, anyone who believe economists know the future have only themselves to blame.
And pollsters?
They're alright, usually within the margin of error. Just happens that as little 1% makes a world of difference in outcomes.
You can believe what you like, Mark Carnage admitted he was wrong
I think really the only dynamic is what we pay for not allowing free movement. The likes of Poland, and Romania must be shitting it, they have so many people here, and Brexit means we can pick and choose which we allow to stay. It'a a very crude lever but the current immigrant population from the EU is a big play, like it or not.
Boo hoo, usual Brexit scare story. Unsubstantiated bollocks as normal.
I'm not getting this obviously, i need to find a brexit scare story and post it in this thread.
Lost me a bit Chorley, what we will pay for not allowing free movement is tariffs on our exports, which the fall in the pound will hopefully more than compensate for.
Lack of access in finance will no doubt be a bigger problem, but whilst I admit I don't understand the subject, I do have some faith that our bankers are world-class cunning bastards, I doubt we will lose it all.
I take it that you are again misinformed. Are you Michael Gove in disguise? Even Boris Johnson has finally woken up and smelled the coffee.
We haven't left yet though. It will bite when we leave with zero trade deals. Can't see how anyone can have a different view, particularly as the City's lucrative business is picked off by passport-wielding rivals.
That implies he ever believed in what he was spouting. Fairly clear from the start he didn't think Brexit was a wise idea and backed it to cosy up to the base.
... im an effort to defeat his old 'friend' David C just for the sake of it.
While you're probably right about Johnson being a liar from the start, he recently acknowledges that it wouldn't be wise to cut ties completely. Chorley however appears to have his head just burried in the sand as Michael Gove exemplifies it.
He is obviously totally unaware about the amount of EU-funded reasearch that is going on in the UK which will, depending on the deal, dry up significantly or completely. Given how May and her government acted so far, I consider it highly unlikely they are willing to spend anything near the EU funds. Hence, scientists with and without a EU passport currently working in the UK will move where the research grants move. That's how the science community has been working for decades, it's a very mobile bunch. The UK will lose highly skilled tax payers and of course every lower skilled job that come with high skill jobs. If that's what the UK want, so be it. There isn't a single element of 'scare' in this.
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Well if it implodes after exit it will mean Carnage is wrong again. Whats it to be?
Will brexit... specifically boarder controls play a big part in the northern Ireland elections likely to be triggered this week?