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Paul the Wolf said:
You're English, British, European and an Earthling because that was where you were born geographically.

You may have loved where you grew up, I did, fantastic place when I was young. People who were brought up in the worst tenements in some crumby city estate may like that as well.

But that is removed from being proud of being English - fair, tolerant, friendly, helpful, innovative, cultural, what happened to this, or was it always just a myth.
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I'm all of those things
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question.
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It is not a genuine question it is a wind up and a pretty stupid conceited one at that, so in the same vein I would say mostly because people like you leave. You have to be proud of a country that can manage to oust people like you and then make them feel so good about it, England crushing it right there.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
It is not a genuine question it is a wind up and a pretty stupid conceited one at that, so in the same vein I would say mostly because people like you leave. You have to be proud of a country that can manage to oust people like you and then make them feel so good about it, England crushing it right there.
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Thought you'd come out of the woodwork, Mr pseudo-remainer, no-one ousted me, you show your true colours yet again.
 
barros said:
EU is a failure and would be a disaster when crashes at least UK would be already out. The idea was good the intentions not so good, I believe in an economic bloc but not political, were aren't like US and will not work, too many languages and cultures and too many interests, the bigger countries always getting the front seat. The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time. When the economy is bad the US federal government injects money in those states from money coming from richer states and what the EU did with Greece and Portugal showed to the Europeans the EU was made for the smaller states to buy goods from the bigger/richer states with loans from the same bigger/richer states to the point they are completely broken.
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No they won't, candidates are subjected to the EU council vote and in that council every country has one voice.
 
barros said:
EU is a failure and would be a disaster when crashes at least UK would be already out. The idea was good the intentions not so good, I believe in an economic bloc but not political, were aren't like US and will not work, too many languages and cultures and too many interests, the bigger countries always getting the front seat. The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time. When the economy is bad the US federal government injects money in those states from money coming from richer states and what the EU did with Greece and Portugal showed to the Europeans the EU was made for the smaller states to buy goods from the bigger/richer states with loans from the same bigger/richer states to the point they are completely broken.
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Your statement is incorrect from two perspectives:
First of all, as @JPTrouve pointed out, almost all candidates must pass the council where each country, whether Luxembourg (population in 2013: 0.543m) or Germany (population in 2013: 80.62m), has one single vote.
Secondly, there are many positions where the European Parliament must also give their blessing, e.g. the Head of the Commission. It was only because of the Parliament's perseverence JC Juncker got his current President of Commission job; neither Cameron nor Merkel wanted him.

In the EP, there are 751 seats, among them 96 for German MEPs and 74 for French MEPs. Even if all German and all French MEPs were pulling the same rope, there is no way their 22.6% share of votes can push anybody or anything through.

BTW: You can find all this and much more on the EU's structure and set-up on the EU websites.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Thought you'd come out of the woodwork, Mr pseudo-remainer, no-one ousted me, you show your true colours yet again.
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Mr pseudo Frenchman,


I'm not in the woodwork I'm living in England and you aren't anymore and you are out of touch.


"The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question."


You really think it is still our role to give you something to be proud of after you decide to become French, isn't that now the EU's role and if you feel they are failing take it up with them.[/QUOTE]
 
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Don't Kill Bill said:
Mr pseudo Frenchman,


I'm not in the woodwork I'm living in England and you aren't anymore and you are out of touch.


"The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question."


You really think it is still our role to give you something to be proud of after you decide to become French, isn't that now the EU's role and if you feel they are failing take it up with them.
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You're not seriously suggesting he's somehow less English because he moved to France are you? Because that would be stupid in the extreme.
 
sullydnl said:
You're not seriously suggesting he's somehow less English because he moved to France are you? Because that would be stupid in the extreme.
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That would be exactly as stupid as suggesting someone who voted remain is a pseudo remainer because post the referendum you disagree with them about how we deal with the result and its effect.

Knock yourself out taking issue with such posters just as you jumped in here with me.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
That would be exactly as stupid as suggesting someone who voted remain is a pseudo remainer because post the referendum you disagree with them about how we deal with the result and its effect.

Knock yourself out taking issue with such posters just as you jumped in here with me.
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Ah I see, I didn't realise you were trying to win the argument by matching stupid things he said. Unorthodox approach.
 
Stanley Road said:
May: "let these cnuts carry on talking about the standard shape of bananas, I'm off to the pub"
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More like off to raise council tax, make everyone poorer and inflame tension within the country with dumb speeches with no substance.
 
Adisa said:
The question I ask these people is, how do they think voting out of Europe would help them?
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They treated the question "should the UK remain part of the EU?" as "would you like to tell London to f*ck off?". Cameron should have known that might happen if he spent more time out of West London and Oxfordshire.
 
MoskvaRed said:
They treated the question "should the UK remain part of the EU?" as "would you like to tell London to f*ck off?". Cameron should have known that might happen if he spent more time out of West London and Oxfordshire.
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Thats actually a great idea. London and Scotland leave the uk, with the former becoming the capital city of europe. Hard borders are raised with wales and the remaining uk and everyone will be happy. Liverpool could become the financial capital of brexit uk.
 
Rightnr said:
More like off to raise council tax, make everyone poorer and inflame tension within the country with dumb speeches with no substance.
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Some one must pay taxes on McDonald's behalf
 
barros said:
EU is a failure and would be a disaster when crashes at least UK would be already out. The idea was good the intentions not so good, I believe in an economic bloc but not political, were aren't like US and will not work, too many languages and cultures and too many interests, the bigger countries always getting the front seat. The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time. When the economy is bad the US federal government injects money in those states from money coming from richer states and what the EU did with Greece and Portugal showed to the Europeans the EU was made for the smaller states to buy goods from the bigger/richer states with loans from the same bigger/richer states to the point they are completely broken.
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You can't have a purely economic bloc with no politics. Economics involving several countries by definition has a lot of politics at a purely economic level, then there's the collateral consider. It's all or nothing.
 
devilish said:
Thats actually a great idea. London and Scotland leave the uk, with the former becoming the capital city of europe. Hard borders are raised with wales and the remaining uk and everyone will be happy. Liverpool could become the financial capital of brexit uk.
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Liverpool voted remain (as did Manchester, Newcastle and, by a very small margin, Leeds). Those cities have at least seen some revival over the past 20 years after a big fall from grace (Liverpool used to have a fairly large financial services sector, hard as it is to believe).

When we are talking about this misguided expression of rage, it refers to the really desperate places here - the small towns that used to be manufacturing or mining centres. Frankly, I can't really blame them if I try to put myself in their shoes - nothing has changed for them whether under Conservative, Labour or Coalition. The fault really lies with Cameron for putting such a vital issue to the vote without foreseeing how it might become a lightening rod for 40 years of pent up grievances that have little or no connection with Europe.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Liverpool voted remain (as did Manchester, Newcastle and, by a very small margin, Leeds). Those cities have at least seen some revival over the past 20 years after a big fall from grace (Liverpool used to have a fairly large financial services sector, hard as it is to believe).

When we are talking about this misguided expression of rage, it refers to the really desperate places here - the small towns that used to be manufacturing or mining centres. Frankly, I can't really blame them if I try to put myself in their shoes - nothing has changed for them whether under Conservative, Labour or Coalition. The fault really lies with Cameron for putting such a vital issue to the vote without foreseeing how it might become a lightening rod for 40 years of pent up grievances that have little or no connection with Europe.
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Maybe we can give them the Brexit they deserve and the rest keep on living their lives in a globalised and peaceful Europe.
 
devilish said:
Maybe we can give them the Brexit they deserve and the rest keep on living their lives in a globalised and peaceful Europe.
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That would be nice - like the Italian city states. The problem is by no means unique to the UK - Trump also largely bypassed the big cities in winning the US election. The difference is of course the Donald can be kicked out in 4 years whereas there's no easy escape from the Brexit quagmire.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Mr pseudo Frenchman,


I'm not in the woodwork I'm living in England and you aren't anymore and you are out of touch.


"The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question."


You really think it is still our role to give you something to be proud of after you decide to become French, isn't that now the EU's role and if you feel they are failing take it up with them.
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Back to your "out of touch" spiel, you may live in your little insular bubble and don't know what's going on further than the bottom of your road but that's up to you.

I'm not asking you to give me something to be proud to be British, I asked a question to Stan and then replied to his answer, getting a bit touchy are we because having taken the country back and proud to be British or English or from Wessex or Mercia or Chipping Norton, I asked what this pride represents, doubt anyone will tell me.

Whether I'm British English French or Outer Mongolian means nothing, just need to have the necessary documentation to enable me to live where I want to live.
 
JPRouve said:
The Deviley war was awful.
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You can't blame the Brexiters for missing a time when they used to pit one European country against another while they were busy expanding their empire. Most do not though.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
That would be exactly as stupid as suggesting someone who voted remain is a pseudo remainer because post the referendum you disagree with them about how we deal with the result and its effect.

Knock yourself out taking issue with such posters just as you jumped in here with me.
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As no-one, including the government, has said how they are going to deal with the result or its effect, it's difficult to disagree on that point. Oh I know,Brexit is Brexit and it will be red white and blue.
You misunderstood what I was suggesting.
 
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