They won't be happy
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
They won't be happy
The dole
You still believe govt figures? Zero unemployed?
If a company in nl wants to hire a brit under current circumstances, it has to first prove it has advertised the position in holland and prove there were no suitable applicants.
Whats the procedure in uk?
I don't know, I live in France.
Point is probably more open than eu
So basically immigration is the governments fault and doesn't really have much to do with the EU anyway? You sure you're a Leave voter?
Oh dear
So if your company wants to employ a uk citizen they can currently disregard french people for the position?
In the private sector, there is no discrimination between french citizens and EU citizens. But a non-EU citizen coming directly from outside the EU will need to follow an "introduction" process in which the company asks for the permission to hire, the ones already living in the EU just need a french resident permit.
Decent sign that it may have legs as an attack.
"Britain Thinks" focus group......needs to re-group and then think whether or not we're still in the EU. Might want to re-tweet if the answer is "yes".
You realise that focus groups are made up of ordinary members of the public?
Closet tory spotted.
To your question. For skilled employment from eu, there is no process.
For unskilled employment, the companies either advertise in bulgaria/poland or in london using bulgarian/polish.
So...whoever they are they should know that we're still paying into the EU coffers.
Your side should probably try harder at explaining that to them. Though I'd also be wary of saying it'll happen when we finally do leave, given that...we know it won't.
The government never said it would happen, just ordinary folks who want it and they'll push hard for it too.
Closet tory spotted.
To your question. For skilled employment from eu, there is no process.
For unskilled employment, the companies either advertise in bulgaria/poland or in london using bulgarian/polish.
Wow
So fom differs everywhere and yet it it is sold as "go where you like, when you like".
Farcical
Brexiters have turned on Hammond and the OBR for "scaremongering" today i see, as predicted.
Yeah, farcical (says the English guy living in Holland)..
Yeah and I had to do lots of things to get here, apparently you can just turn up in the uk willy nilly, now I see clearly why they want to stop it all and so must you see it.
Turn up willy nilly? Do we have any actual evidence that getting into the UK is any easier than France, Germany, Spain etc?
So... stopping immigration has nothing to do with the EU? Is that what you're saying?
this thread
I am saying fom to the uk appears to be easier than where I am at least, "please come in, we're open"
Think @JPRouve detailed some protectionist policies that the French employ earlier in the thread.
Germany are going to be introducing more hard line measures on benefits for immigrants which has been in the news.
This also happened recently
https://www.rt.com/news/365600-germany-wall-refugees-migrants/
Aren't people emigrating from Spain for work rather than to it in recent times?
Everybody can go to the uk, its not a problem if you just get in within 2 years
So explain to me why there isn't a rigid rule set for fom across Europe that all must adhere to? After all you are championing how amazing it is
Because the principles of the EU are a basic set of core rules which the sovereign nation states can then build upon to fit their own needs. Various UK governments however have just found it easier domestically to pretend that they it's all being forced upon them, rather than as a result of their own decisions.
Here's a challenge. Read this without feeling homicidal. Bet you can't.
Because of something I said earlier in this thread, some countries like the UK, France or Holland have politicians who wants to hug as much power as they can, for that reason they are against things like a common EU Home secretary.
It is interesting that some other EU nations have protectionist policies regarding immigration, if the UK had adopted something similar I doubt that Brexit would have happened.
I'm surprised that Cameron didn't offer something similar before the referendum.
My favourite part..
I can imagine imports of gollywog badges and blackface fancy dress costumes would indeed skyrocket..
Perhaps a bit controversial but it's articles like that that give me some form of understanding of religious extremism and how innocent people can sympathise with extremists who do terrible things in the name of their values or beliefs.
When you see horrific things like the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France or the Sydney Siege, we instantly condemn the abhorrent acts and obviously rightly so.
If somebody was to blow up the Ritz with Farage, the Barclay Brothers, Lebedev, Desmond, Oakeshott and other repulsive figures in it, I'd find it very difficult to feel anything other than relief at the thought the world will be a better place without them.
I know that's an absolutely awful thing to say, but to me this "alt-right" that is emerging is very much through their self interested bigotry and hate. They're responsible for making a lot of people's lives miserable.
Would you say then that fom means having the ability to apply to live / work in any eu country? Like having to apply to live work in the states
We don't need an interpretation of what freedom of movement means, it's already in place..
Wiki said:
That's obviously a must more open and free system than having to apply to live in the US or other non-EU country.
He didn't because immigration wasn't really a problem for the UK, it was only a good political argument. It's a bit like VAT debates, if the floor sets by the EU was a problem the UK would be on it not several points above it.
But they all have different rules
In effect the uk could negotiate Exit and say yes to fom and not let anyone in, excellent
I realised after I posted it that Cameron probably didn't ever consider losing so he thought there was no need to offer anything like that.
Eastern European migrants are our most cost effective citizens too so you can see why such policies are a waste of time in fiscal terms. Like you say it is only a political argument.
To make it clear, FoM is literally a freedom to move to an other country, it's not a freedom to stay in it. But if you comply to certain rules you are automatically granted some resident's rights.
So no, if the UK say yes to FoM, they can't prevent certain people to move to the UK and they can't prevent them from staying if they comply to the rules.
Out of interest can you link to details on this? All i can find online is that its as per UK rules where it has to be advertised to residents or EEA before you can employ from outside both.
The only movement the UK made to give preferential treatment to local workers was jobs are now advertised for a period by the Job Centre before they go on the EU wide job portal.