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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

  • Total voters
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If I was T May I would say "We're going for hard Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for soft Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for hard Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for soft Exit"

When the markets have stopped reacting and act like "the boy who cried wolf", all will be fine

People will start to react when things actually happen
 
Stanley Road said:
If I was T May I would say "We're going for hard Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for soft Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for hard Exit"

The week after I'd say "We're going for soft Exit"

When the markets have stopped reacting and act like "the boy who cried wolf", all will be fine

People will start to react when things actually happen
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So, does she prefer the hard or soft exit?
 
Stanley Road said:
We pay health insurance it's a mandatory condition of residency in NL so yes
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Most do not though. I am aware that most expats in France and Spain do not. Also with the fall of the pound it might not be worth for them to remain in the EU and they would return home. These will probably be expats who live on the pension ie elderly people you wouldnt want them back

I am glad that my friends in Malta won't suffer though. The UK-Malta has a deal which precede our entrance in the EU were we foot the bill for British expats in Malta and they foot the bill for Maltese expats in the UK
 
rcoobc said:
Well single market would imply something akin to the EEA... Where EHIC cards are valid.

Great news
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It depends if the UK is becoming part of the EEA then it won't be an issue. Freedom of movement will apply etc. However if its a sort of amnesty were immigrants won't be deported but will still be treated as third country citizens then things will get messy in terms of health insurance
 
devilish said:
Most do not though. I am aware that most expats in France and Spain do not. Also with the fall of the pound it might not be worth for them to remain in the EU and they would return home. These will probably be expats who live on the pension ie elderly people you wouldnt want them back

I am glad that my friends in Malta won't suffer though. The UK-Malta has a deal which precede our entrance in the EU were we foot the bill for British expats in Malta and they foot the bill for Maltese expats in the UK
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I fully integrated into the French system as soon as I could when I moved here but most of the elder Brits here I know living here are reliant on EHIC cards and income from their pensions which have dropped drastically in value since the first collapse of Sterling. Another big Sterling collapse will probably mean they will have little choice but to return to the UK.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I fully integrated into the French system as soon as I could when I moved here but most of the elder Brits here I know living here are reliant on EHIC cards and income from their pensions which have dropped drastically in value since the first collapse of Sterling. Another big Sterling collapse will probably mean they will have little choice but to return to the UK.
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And those are the people whom the UK doesn't want to return ie a horde of elderly and fussy people, most of whom still stuck to the British empire era who expect silver service from the NHS and barely pay any taxes to justify it. These people have, most probably, sold their homes in the UK and invested it in houses in Spain who had been devalued throughout the property burst there. Therefore they will return to the UK penniless. I bet the UK will swap 20 hardworking Polish workers on their prime to each 1 of them.

No wonder why even the staunchest of Brexiters want to preserve the rights of EU workers currently residing in the UK as long as the same happens for British people in the EU. The former bring a surplus to the economy. The latter are, mostly, a burden.
 
Its seems that the EU have given the go ahead for an EU army. Its about time that Europe is able to defend itself without the need of third party countries. That would potentially strengthen the hand of the EU negotiators in terms of dealing with Russia, US and the UK.
 
devilish said:
And those are the people whom the UK doesn't want to return ie a horde of elderly and fussy people, most of whom still stuck to the British empire era who expect silver service from the NHS and barely pay any taxes to justify it. These people have, most probably, sold their homes in the UK and invested it in houses in Spain who had been devalued throughout the property burst there. Therefore they will return to the UK penniless. I bet the UK will swap 20 hardworking Polish workers on their prime to each 1 of them.

No wonder why even the staunchest of Brexiters want to preserve the rights of EU workers currently residing in the UK as long as the same happens for British people in the EU. The former bring a surplus to the economy. The latter are, mostly, a burden.
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Yes property values have fallen since the 2008 economic crisis, people are extremely worried for their future. How many millions of British people are going to be severely hit by this madness, those living abroad and those living in the UK but as long as they have taken their country back, what does it matter.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Growth forecast to be slower as a result of Brexit.

Scaremongering :wenger:
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Philip Hammond managed a rare trick in his first autumn statement -- he made the UK economy look even worse than we feared.

Britain’s Brexit black hole is at least £122bn -- even larger than the £100bn that the City was expecting.
 
1. Leave Europe
2. Negotiate wonder deal that no-one else thinks is possible
3. Borrow extra £122bn
????
5. Profit!
 
devilish said:
Most do not though. I am aware that most expats in France and Spain do not. Also with the fall of the pound it might not be worth for them to remain in the EU and they would return home. These will probably be expats who live on the pension ie elderly people you wouldnt want them back

I am glad that my friends in Malta won't suffer though. The UK-Malta has a deal which precede our entrance in the EU were we foot the bill for British expats in Malta and they foot the bill for Maltese expats in the UK
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Doesn't the E111 cover all europe?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes property values have fallen since the 2008 economic crisis, people are extremely worried for their future. How many millions of British people are going to be severely hit by this madness, those living abroad and those living in the UK but as long as they have taken their country back, what does it matter.
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My house dropped 50k in that period but has gone up 100k since that low.

But we probably have a stronger economy than France
 
Stanley Road said:
My house dropped 50k in that period but has gone up 100k since that low.

But we probably have a stronger economy than France
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I was talking about Spain as well. House prices in rural areas have been hardest hit. But it was the flood of Brits moving abroad over 10 years ago that boosted prices significantly
 
How does that compare to the Treasury's forecast before the vote?

£220bn seems like...a lot.
 
Ubik said:
How does that compare to the Treasury's forecast before the vote?

£220bn seems like...a lot.
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Well a while ago the UK built the largest single site hospital in Europe and it cost £575m. So it only adds up to enough to build 382 of those. Small change really.
 
Kentonio said:
Well a while ago the UK built the largest single site hospital in Europe and it cost £575m. So it only adds up to enough to build 382 of those. Small change really.
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But the bus said...
 
The OBR says that if it hadn’t been for the Brexit vote their projection for annual net migration to Britain would have been 80,000 a year higher at 312,000 in 2017 falling to 265,000 by 2021 and contributed around 0.2 percentage points each year to potential growth in the economy. They estimate that this net migration factor alone accounts for 0.9 percentage points of their judgement that the EU referendum has reduced potential output by 2.4 percentage points.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The OBR says that if it hadn’t been for the Brexit vote their projection for annual net migration to Britain would have been 80,000 a year higher at 312,000 in 2017 falling to 265,000 by 2021 and contributed around 0.2 percentage points each year to potential growth in the economy. They estimate that this net migration factor alone accounts for 0.9 percentage points of their judgement that the EU referendum has reduced potential output by 2.4 percentage points.
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Time to get brits off the dole and back to work. Savings all round
 
OBR implying that their forecasts might even be optimistic.
Given the uncertainty surrounding the choices and trade-offs that the Government may have to make, and the consequences of different outcomes, we have not attempted to predict the precise end result of the negotiations. Instead we have made a judgement – consistent with most external studies – that over the time horizon of our forecast any likely Brexit outcome would lead to lower trade flows, lower investment and lower net inward migration than we would otherwise have seen, and hence lower potential output. In time the performance of the economy will also be affected by future choices that the Government makes about regulatory and other policies that are currently determined at the European level. These could move in either a growth-enhancing or a growth-impeding direction.

In the near term, as the negotiations get under way, we assume that GDP growth will continue to slow into next year as uncertainty leads firms to delay investment and as consumers are squeezed by higher import prices, thanks to the fall in the pound. But we do not assume that firms shed jobs more aggressively or that consumers increase precautionary saving, both of which are downside risks if the path to Brexit is bumpy
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