Yup, my mum's doing it but I'm not eligible
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Yup, my mum's doing it but I'm not eligible
Hopefully some sort of arrangement will be sought for those of us that wish to retain our European rights and voted remain.
What rights are you hoping to retain?
FoM. If I have kids then things like Erasmus.
Ah. I see
Why would any brexiter want eu citizenship? Dont you want others to takecontrol over their borders against you as you want to take control over your borders against them?
Surely the tory/brexit government will offer something similar. They care of the commoners unlike the eu dictatorship
Cake and eat it. See Bozo Johnson.
Reminds me of some brexiter who was spotted in the German embasy few days after the brexit vote. Weird. Why would they want citizenship to this failed dictatorship when the uk will soon be great again?
Insurance policies come in handy.Especially the reasonably priced ones. Why lose FoM for yourself when you can let others lose it ? All that's required in some cases is a bit of hypocrisy.
Is that including the ones on their head though?
I am not a Brexiteer.
So that post wasn't meant for you
There again, I find it disturbing that the citizens of a country who left the EU mostly because they want to close the door to EU immigration would give UK immigrants EU citizenship.
Presumably they wouldn't take it up. They could make it available only for those that voted remain. I wonder if they have a voting database?
That will go to European court which would probably end up being offered to every UK citizen. Its also a dangerous precedent which will be exploited by all those who are thinking leaving the EU. Out means out. Let the UK make a success out of it without our help. I am pretty sure that some non liberal tree hugging EU country will see it that way and veto any deal
Id rather see the EU giving a chance for Scotland and Northern Ireland to join the EU as long as they leave the UK and impose borders on England/Wales then this sort of cherry picking deal
Who could have seen that coming?
Where did you read that?
More people in England voted to remain than in Scotland and N Ireland combined. More people in London alone probably. Insidting on a vindictive, punitive stance will risk further disintegration of the EU. Basically it's down to Germany and it tends to be relatively pragmatic.
You are not getting a buyable citizenship, that's the pragmatic stance.
I am looking forward to the referendum in Italy next week, polls suggesting reform will be rejected. a fun year ahead for Europe.
They say things come in threes
Its not a vindictive punitive stance. Brexit should be Brexit for both the EU citizens and the UK citizens. In is In and Out should be out on both ways. Since Northern Ireland and Scotland had been dragged out of the EU against their will then they should be given the chance to decide to be either part of the EU or part of the UK. However if they do decide to be part of the EU then the UK will be a foreign country to them just like non EU countries currently are.
Once the UK is out of the EU the UK will have zero influence in what happens in the EU same as the EU shouldn't have any influence on what happens in the UK (unless of course it wants to sell in the single market, in that case rules will apply). Sovreignity should work both ways.
The EU should allow space for negotiation of course, but its should be a tit for tat type of negotiation. If the UK citizens want to retain the chance of being EU citizens by paying a fee then the UK should offer a similar deal to all EU citizens. What's good for the goose...
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I am talking in general. In my opinion, once the UK is out then its out. Which mean no preferential access to the single market, no e-way to EU citizenship and no say in European matters. The UK will be similar to China, Mexico or Iran for all that matter.
Northern Ireland and Scotland should be given the opportunity to choose if they prefer the EU or the UK but that's all.
Well that shouldn't be your concern since you're leaving Europe.
If Italy leaves the EU then good luck for them trying to find jobs for the horde of Italian expats spread throughout all Europe who will be sent back home. I travel alot in mainland Europe and you can barely walk in any European street without hearing someone speaking in Italian. Things will get even worse if the EU decides to issue a hard border with Italy. Immigrants will be stuck in Italy with nowhere to go. That would be interesting
Maybe the Italians should consider voting more wisely instead of blaming the EU for it woes. In the past 25 years they had voted for a politician who organised orgies at his home, mafia linked politicians, communists, racists who blamed the South for every woe only to be later discovered that they bought diamonds out from taxpayer's money + they look set for voting for a comedian (a real comedian not the Boris/Farage like)
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Has very little to do with Europe though.
I didn't. It was just a daft idea.
Here is another one
They could allow current UK citizens the chance to pay an annual fee for membership, then after ten years of continuous fees grant permanent citizenship that you have the option of passing down to your children. Offer is only open to adults at the time of exit.
I have no complaints to that but only if the uk offers the same deal to all eu people
Personally I say no to that, if you want to be a EU citizen live in the EU. If you don't live in a country, you can't be a citizen.
Edit: And this stupid idea, is an excellent way to give some fuel to all the nationalists in Europe.
Grillo want a referendum on the euro not the eu. Hes not that stupid to turn down the very hand that feed millions of italians. Hard borders and the end of freedom of movement would turn italy in a 3rd world country
The consequences of a no result may have tho. Voting for more reforms or not, 40% youth unemployment. obviously there is anger towards present and previous govts and the pm will step down like cameron did if its a no vote.
See what you're saying.
Imo, the Italian political system is pretty fecked. That's without even factoring European politics into it.
Bigger tail-risk than Brexit
Holger Schmieding, chief economist with Berenberg Bank, told CNBC in a phone interview that the risk involved in Italy's referendum makes it an even bigger political event than Brexit.
"For me, this is the biggest political risk for the euro zone this year … Less the referendum and more the tail risk," he said.
"If the aftermath of a 'no' victory results in an early election, in which parties propose a referendum of leaving the euro then this is much more of a problem, there will be serious contagion effects for the whole of the euro zone," he added.
This bloke is an expert so I guess we can take all this with a pinch of
Holger Schmieding, chief economist with Berenberg Bank, told CNBC in a phone interview that the risk involved in Italy's referendum makes it an even bigger political event than Brexit.
"For me, this is the biggest political risk for the euro zone this year … Less the referendum and more the tail risk," he said.
"If the aftermath of a 'no' victory results in an early election, in which parties propose a referendum of leaving the euro then this is much more of a problem, there will be serious contagion effects for the whole of the euro zone," he added.
This bloke is an expert so I guess we can take all this with a pinch of
Looks like it's Fillon by a lot in the Republican run-off. Bollards.
Seems to have upset Le Pen which is a good thing.
Always said France needs a Margaret Thatcher - he would be the closest
The Centre for Policy Studies was saying the exact same thing today, but said don't expect too much, given he was Sarkozy's PM between 2007 and 2012, overseeing a bunch of tax hikes. Plus he wants to up sales tax by 2%.
France are welcome to a thatcher. Glad the witch is dead.
Suppose with the current situation it was kind of inevitable someone like him was going to get in if he's hardline on certain issues: better him with his party to restrain him on some issues, than a populist like Le Pen. He got a large backing from his party so if he inflicts a heavy defeat on her then it's a major positive in the fightback against complete right-wing populism.
Hmm, so the guy who will probably keep Le Pen out of office, is a hard right conservative whose only saving grace is not being Marine Le Pen. Brilliant..
Hard right? He is just right.