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[Donaldo]

You breach health and safety regulations because your bosses tell you to and you're in fear for your job. Then you're a fool.

If you're talking paper cuts or some luvvie getting an ouchie then that's one thing but believe me, coming from an industry where fatal accidents are plentiful, anyone who deliberately breaches H&S regulations or instructs another person to do so is a prat and can and should be jailed for doing so. Speak to the local council's HSE inspector if you seriously have concerns that your boss will not take you seriously, it's far, far better than the alternative.

I've worked with a guy who mentally tortured himself after a long time colleague of his was nearly cut in two and paralysed for life when a sheet pile toe kicked out in an excavation he'd designed. Despite having been 100% blameless in the eyes of the HSE, he could not get over what he might have missed or what other information he could have included on the drawings to prevent the accident. One of my former companies had a week where I'd just finished bollocking the entire office in India about their laissez faire attitude to safety after 5 labourers had died taking a shortcut to the 15th floor in a concrete skip on the tower crane which broke free terrified myself of the reaming we would get from the Paris head office when the news came in that a bridge we were building in Vietnam had collapsed during construction burying 150 people in thousands of tonnes of green concrete and killing 52 people during the morning safety talk which had been moved under the bridge deck due to a tropical downpour. Not a single supervisor or engineer from that site ever returned to work despite the findings that they had done nothing wrong and that the collapse was down to a combination of factors outside their control.

If something is genuinely a threat to life or poses the risk of serious injury then you have to act and can never be penalised for doing so.

Many of the none HSE protections within European law should protect our workers from hardship and bullshit like zero hours contracts but sadly, as a nation we are all too quick to roll over and accept it and reelect the prick who instigated it whilst pretending it's the EU and immigrants that make the workers lot harder. When the French government recently tried to work around European workers rights the French workers struck, they blocked the motorways and rioted and protected their rights. Rather than envying their spirit our press criticised them for the holiday chaos the French would cause us Brits.

We, common working people, will be a damned sight worse off outside Europe and anyone who fails to see that is either blinded by the lies in the press or a fool. I suspect Europe will probably be slightly better off without us though as we've been nothing but a whinging, pain in the arse throughout our time in the Union.

Clap clap clap gif.

 

[Bury Red]

then i and most people are fools. What power do i have, i start kicking up a fuss, they will find away to get rid of me, maybe i can win some compensation after years of fighting, but i still would have lost my job and full time contracted work is like gold dust these days and when youve got it you hang on to it with both hands and beyond grateful.... becuase you don't know the next time it will come along!

Jobs are like gold dust because we let the bosses and the politicians get away with creating this atmosphere. Lives are however far, far more precious than gold dust and should never be put at risk for the sake of profit margins.

There's no need to kick up a fuss straight off, approach your boss and point out the danger to life and bring him alternative safer methods, ask to see the risk analysis and safe working procedures and document your concerns . If your genuine concerns are overlooked then you approach the HSE inspector and provide him with copies of the correspondence and seek advice from a legal firm specialising in protecting whistle blowers, there's plenty around who operate pro bono because they know how much companies found to be in breach of ethics are punished these days.

Stand up for yourself whilst you still can beause it's far better than your wife and kids losing you.

 

[Stanley Road]

I once walked out of my job cos the office was too hot and airco did not work. Waiting for the bus home my boss pulled up and we went for a coffee. Within an hour we had rented mobile coolers and the office was great.

We should all stand up if we dislike.the boss. The organization practice. Or the EU if dont like it. So i have risked my job several times on principal. So hearing we'll be much worse off outside carries no influence with me.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Jobs are like gold dust because we let the bosses and the politicians get away with creating this atmosphere. Lives are however far, far more precious than gold dust and should never be put at risk for the sake of profit margins.

that is one of many reasons jobs are like gold dust, the state of the economy, increased automation, people demanding cheaper good that can't be made competitively in this country, the dismantling of the unions, ever increasing number of workers .........

There's no need to kick up a fuss straight off, approach your boss and point out the danger to life and bring him alternative safer methods, ask to see the risk analysis and safe working procedures and document your concerns . If your genuine concerns are overlooked then you approach the HSE inspector and provide him with copies of the correspondence and seek advice from a legal firm specialising in protecting whistle blowers, there's plenty around who operate pro bono because they know how much companies found to be in breach of ethics are punished these days.

i did raise my concerns and was told this show has to go ahead make it happen, i could of carried on with complaing but all that would of happened is that they would have called some one else int to do the job and by the time i had off even got an inspector down to look at it the show would have either been and gone, and the only thing that will be remembered is that i refused to do the job.

Stand up for yourself whilst you still can beause it's far better than your wife and kids losing you.

well i dont have any kids, but standing up for myself counts for F' all if i cant pay the mortgage next month, this isn't a fairly tale world where justice all ways wins out, it doesn't, Ive seen cases where people have tried standing up for them selves and absolutely nowhere apart from having to find a new job. So its great saying stand up for yourself, but the chances are even if you succeed your in for some really shit times and wont get much out of it at the end of it and will still probably have to find another job.

 

[Jippy]

In fairness there isn't many landlocked countries in the eu is there
Czech Republic
Hungary
Austria
Luxembourg
2 of them former Soviet client states and one of them pretty small as well

I have always found it strange in Thailand to be fair with Burma (mymar whatever) and Cambo driving on the different sides when you cross the boarder

That said it's fairly normal to encounter bikes and even cars going the wrong way (often in the cycle Lane but diving in / out of three Lane motorway speed teaffic) in Thailand so it's no drama... just get the biggest truck you can and go in a straight line

How does that work when you cross the border? Struggling to picture the logistics.

 

[Bury Red]

How does that work when you cross the border? Struggling to picture the logistics.

Only 4 land border crossings and all are military passport check points so plenty of time to redirect people to the other side of the road.

The one I really want to see is what happens at the centre of the Y bridge between Shenzhen (RH traffic) HK & Macau (both LH). Must have been a hell of a job to plan but I'd imagine it's similar to the Lotus bridge between Macau and China where the lanes sail off one under the other and reappear on the other side of the road with traffic having to then readjust for the shift in fast lane/slow lane.

Planning that sort of thing is always a nightmare to visualise for me, it was one of my few Engineering design modules I struggled with at Uni in France because we just don't have that many tollbooths in the UK and drive on the other side so when asked to design a double cloverleaf interchange and toll arrangement for 2 intersecting Motorways it just did my head in.

 

[Jippy]

Only 4 land border crossings and all are military passport check points so plenty of time to redirect people to the other side of the road.

The one I really want to see is what happens at the centre of the Y bridge between Shenzhen (RH traffic) HK & Macau (both LH). Must have been a hell of a job to plan but I'd imagine it's similar to the Lotus bridge between Macau and China where the lanes sail off one under the other and reappear on the other side of the road with traffic having to then readjust for the shift in fast lane/slow lane.

Planning that sort of thing is always a nightmare to visualise for me, it was one of my few Engineering design modules I struggled with at Uni in France because we just don't have that many tollbooths in the UK and drive on the other side so when asked to design a double cloverleaf interchange and toll arrangement for 2 intersecting Motorways it just did my head in.

Ah, yep that makes to have them loop over and under so some nutter steam into head-on traffic.
Only tolls I remember driving through here are the Humber Bridge and that impressive bridge to Wales.

 

[Bury Red]

Ah, yep that makes to have them loop over and under so some nutter steam into head-on traffic.
Only tolls I remember driving through here are the Humber Bridge and that impressive bridge to Wales.

Dartford until a couple of years ago and the Tamar and Clifton bridges are the only others I can think of. When I drove down to Uni in France I'm pretty sure Dartford was the only one I'd used and we avoided the A roads in France because we were broke students.

 

[711]

How could you forget Cartford bridge on the Wyre, 50p no less.

 

[Jippy]

Not been there sadly, my loss I'm sure.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

For Caroline Lucas and those who agreed with her lies about such things as holiday and parental leave...

Reality Check: Does the EU protect workers' rights?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36434855

Maybe it's the things you said such as blaming the state of Britain's public services and infra structure on immigration? How you defended the leave campaign's promises such as on NHS spending? Or maybe on things such as how you've claimed that the EU is Germany's puppet and that Germany and France are conspiring to take over Europe by the back door? Or even your post Brexit blind optimism about the British economy and your denial of the long term damaging effects caused by the devaluation of Sterling?

Stating that mass, unmanaged immigration can lead to unsustainable pressures on infrastructure and housing, is what i most likely said. Nor have i ever blamed or otherwise criticised migrants for the failings existing present within the NHS. You may go back through the original EU Ref thread if you like, however i doubt you will find many posts of mine arguing that 350m a week will be paid into the health service.

On matters such as the Greek crisis, i do believe that Germany was in the driver's seat, and exerted an unhelpful influence over the outcome. The Franco-German axis is surely among the leading proponent for centralisation, no? Europe is not in my opinion ready for the statehood which backers of the project are aiming for.

I have consistently alluded to the potential for economic difficulties, and said that the government may need to intervene to alleviate the impact. I do not, however, concur with the more outlandish predictions made during the referendum, and am happy to see Britain fairing better than expected. Others here doubtless welcome the bad stories: either to delight in the plight of 'stupid' Leave voters, or because they see each little story as vindication.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Sorry @Stanley Road

The UK is still in the EU

 

[Stanley Road]

Others here doubtless welcome the bad stories: either to delight in the plight of 'stupid' Leave voters, or because they see each little story as vindication.

Definitely loads of those in here

Happy to post misery and say its because of the ref and quick to say "UK hasn't left yet" when there's a bit of good news. But lets not forget, they are far far more intelligent than any Exit voters

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Definitely loads of those in here

Happy to post misery and say its because of the ref and quick to say "UK hasn't left yet" when there's a bit of good news. But lets not forget, they are far far more intelligent than any Exit voters

If the UK had not voted to Leave the pound would at least be €1.40 and $1.50, probably higher - crumbs of occasional good news is not going to prevent the ultimate outcome if a Hard Brexit happens.

If France and Germany also vote in Hard Right Wing governments , we can all be Fascists together. The economy may end up being the least of the problems

 

[Red Defence]

Are they? Then why do so many of them confuse lack of further education with lack of intelligence.

 

[Stanley Road]

If the UK had not voted to Leave the pound would at least be €1.40 and $1.50, probably higher

I'm so glad its not and I hope it never goes back to those overvalued prices

 

[Stanley Road]

If the UK had not voted to Leave the pound would at least be €1.40 and $1.50, probably higher - crumbs of occasional good news is not going to prevent the ultimate outcome if a Hard Brexit happens.

If France and Germany also vote in Hard Right Wing governments , we can all be Fascists together. The economy may end up being the least of the problems

Well that's good cos it's been a problem for 10 years almost and only joe soap suffers.

When I was around 20 I used think wouldn't it be great if there was military rule in the uk so even the rich people would have to fall into line with everyone else. Imagine if you had to wait to cross the road with a gun pointed at you and told when you can cross, and standing next to you a rich bod that used to have priveledges.

Yes that's how I used to think, I've mellowed a bit since then. We will never be truly equal until we all have nothing.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I'm so glad its not and I hope it never goes back to those overvalued prices

At what level do you want them to be? When I moved here the Euro was at €1.52
Remembering the UK is a net importer.
Chances are at some point in the next few years depending on what sort of Brexit happens they're either going to shoot up or shoot down

 

[Stanley Road]

Remembering the UK is a net importer.

I don't care, it doesn't suit me

whether the UK does well or not I will never benefit from it and very few people will, you do understand that why we are where we are now with peoples sentiment?

If you don't then you yourself always did well when the country did well and didn't have to be told by govt that you are doing well

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I don't care, it doesn't suit me

whether the UK does well or not I will never benefit from it and very few people will, you do understand that why we are where we are now with peoples sentiment?

If you don't then you yourself always did well when the country did well and didn't have to be told by govt that you are doing well

If the economy does badly it is the people with the least money that will suffer the most.

Personally whether the UK economy does well or not it's not really going to affect me other than picking up some bargains if the pound nosedives again.

Yes I get the current sentiment that everyone wants to make their country great again, whatever that's supposed to mean and they want to change the system -sometimes though it may be a case of be careful what you wish for.

 

[Stanley Road]

Yes I get the current sentiment that everyone wants to make their country great again, whatever that's supposed to mean and they want to change the system -sometimes though it may be a case of be careful what you wish for.

Yeah that's getting it

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Yeah that's getting it

Tell me please - you missed out the middle bit

 

[Stanley Road]

Tell me please - you missed out the middle bit

Cameron was asked on the marr show if he got it, he said "yes i get it, i totally get it"

Are you him in disguise?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Cameron was asked on the marr show if he got it, he said "yes i get it, i totally get it"

Are you him in disguise?

No-one ever gives an answer.
What do people mean when they say "we want to make Britain great again" - I understand that's what people are saying, I don't understand what they want.

Same as - which EU laws are making Brexiters lives so awful - still after 9 months no-one has been able to name one.

 

[Stanley Road]

No-one ever gives an answer.
What do people mean when they say "we want to make Britain great again" - I understand that's what people are saying, I don't understand what they want.

Same as - which EU laws are making Brexiters lives so awful - still after 9 months no-one has been able to name one.

Well keep waiting from me cos i depise the concept of it all.

If you are paid by the tax payer to decide things as trivial as the size and shape of fruit then you should be ashamed.

Likwise, if you dont know how to deal with big issues that face you, resign and do something else.

You can look up the laws and so can anyone else, probably the reason you have not been answered is cos no one cares

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Well keep waiting from me cos i depise the concept of it all.

If you are paid by the tax payer to decide things as trivial as the size and shape of fruit then you should be ashamed.

Likwise, if you dont know how to deal with big issues that face you, resign and do something else.

You can look up the laws and so can anyone else, probably the reason you have not been answered is cos no one cares

So we have
Immigrants cost the UK money - they don't
We want the UK to be great again - but we don't know what great means - other than the size which is what it actually means
We don't want EU laws - because we want peculiar sized and shaped fruit and vegetables

And we don't care if the economy tanks because it will all be worth it.

No I don't understand

 

[Stanley Road]

So we have
Immigrants cost the UK money - they don't
We want the UK to be great again - but we don't know what great means - other than the size which is what it actually means
We don't want EU laws - because we want peculiar sized and shaped fruit and vegetables

And we don't care if the economy tanks because it will all be worth it.

No I don't understand

Pigeon holing. Carry on not getting it

 

[Member 5225]

Pigeon holing. Carry on not getting it

don't waste your time, they won't ever get it.
Take solace in that we've 'won'

 

[NinjaFletch]

don't waste your time, they won't ever get it.
Take solace in that we've 'won'

Can you address Paul the Wolf's points then and give him an answer?

 

[Mozza]

For Caroline Lucas and those who agreed with her lies about such things as holiday and parental leave...

Reality Check: Does the EU protect workers' rights?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36434855

There is nothing in this article that suggests our working rights will be protected once we are out of the EU. Given the Tories track record removing the floor that is EU standards is something to be worried about

 

[Member 5225]

Can you address Paul the Wolf's points then and give him an answer?

Not really, I don't agree with the premise that his questions are the basis of the argument/discussion!

 

[Stanley Road]

There is nothing in this article that suggests our working rights will be protected once we are out of the EU. Given the Tories track record removing the floor that is EU standards is something to be worried about

We have a recent post about workers rights in the uk and you are still in the eu

 

[Fener1907]

So we have
Immigrants cost the UK money - they don't
We want the UK to be great again - but we don't know what great means - other than the size which is what it actually means
We don't want EU laws - because we want peculiar sized and shaped fruit and vegetables

And we don't care if the economy tanks because it will all be worth it.

No I don't understand

You won't, because when you can be assed to read up on these supposed problems with EU membership - and that involves avoiding the bias of the newspapers like a plague in doing so - aside from them having been predictably exaggerated, it invariably brings you back to the question of whether or not they can be improved as a non-EU nation, to which there simply doesn't appear to be substantial answers. That's been one of the biggest problems all along.

It's hardly a revelation that facts and informed opinions are ignored at the expense of preconceptions and vague rhetoric, but the entire Brexit process is a big steaming pile of shit for how farcical it's all been. I wish they'd get on with it and leave already.

 

[Rams]

For Caroline Lucas and those who agreed with her lies about such things as holiday and parental leave...

Reality Check: Does the EU protect workers' rights?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36434855




Stating that mass, unmanaged immigration can lead to unsustainable pressures on infrastructure and housing, is what i most likely said. Nor have i ever blamed or otherwise criticised migrants for the failings existing present within the NHS. You may go back through the original EU Ref thread if you like, however i doubt you will find many posts of mine arguing that 350m a week will be paid into the health service.

On matters such as the Greek crisis, i do believe that Germany was in the driver's seat, and exerted an unhelpful influence over the outcome. The Franco-German axis is surely among the leading proponent for centralisation, no? Europe is not in my opinion ready for the statehood which backers of the project are aiming for.

I have consistently alluded to the potential for economic difficulties, and said that the government may need to intervene to alleviate the impact. I do not, however, concur with the more outlandish predictions made during the referendum, and am happy to see Britain fairing better than expected. Others here doubtless welcome the bad stories: either to delight in the plight of 'stupid' Leave voters, or because they see each little story as vindication.

You blamed immigration levels on the state of the public services. The reason why the public services are in such a state is due to a lack of investment from the government going back to the 1960's. The situation in the North is particularly dreadful,
You also claimed that leaving the EU would fee up funds for the NHS. Pigs in the sky I reckon.

What Franco-German axis? You mean the one we're fed by the British press? There is no Franco-German axis. There's only xenophobia on the part of the British.
As for Greece, it's basically for the most part German tax payers bailing out the Greeks. Could you imagine what would happen if it was the British tax payer being asked to bail out the Greeks?! Greece should never have been part of the eurozone in the first place. But to start blaming the Germans for exerting unhelpful influence over the outcome is ridiculous as it's the German taxpayer who have been asked to foot bill in the first place.

I can only talk for myself, but I never claimed that the UK economy won't cope with leaving the EU. Besides, I think the UK will remain part of the EEA and still have access to the single market. That's my prediction, always has been, and you can quote me on that in March when the British government finally makes public what they intend to do. Which is exactly my question why on earth leave the EU in the first place? What is the advantage? Britain will end up compromising on freedom of movement of EU citizens, Britain still end up paying for being part of the EEA, whilst losing their influence on EU decision making.

As for the economy... interests rates are at an all time low, there's hardly any growth and the pound has taken a nosedive. Even the government admits Britain will go back into recession when article 50 is triggered, but this time under an inflationary climate because of the nosedive of the pound.
By the way, most non-UK companies with their (European) HQ in the UK have been making contingency plans for if Britain leaves the single market. If Britain is no longer part of the single market then I predict (and you can quote me on that as well) that it'll lead to an exodus of companies (European) HQ's out of the UK. However, again I state that I don't think the British government will allow it to go that far.
I think Britain will cope, just, even if Britain did not remain part of the single market. However, the British economy would be much weaker than if it were in the single market.

If anybody is so chauvinistic to believe that leaving the EU is going to increase Britain's fortunes and influence then you are seriously deluded. Brexit's going to far more harm than good. Which returns to my point once again, why on earth leave the EU in the first place???

 

[Rams]

Pigeon holing. Carry on not getting it

I'm not sure what the point is your making. Is it that workers rights will be equal or better if the UK leaves the EU? If that is your point then I find it very very hard to believe that workers rights will be equal or better if the UK leaves the EU. But there's little point in arguing about until we find out what leaving the EU will mean for workers rights in the EU.

 

[Stanley Road]

Well the only thing on offer is hard exit as agreed by all 27 countries according to the guardian today, so there is little point in discussing the detail, we know whats on offer and that's that.

 

[Stanley Road]

I'm not sure what the point is your making. Is it that workers rights will be equal or better if the UK leaves the EU? If that is your point then I find it very very hard to believe that workers rights will be equal or better if the UK leaves the EU. But there's little point in arguing about until we find out what leaving the EU will mean for workers rights in the EU.

My point is that workers rights has feck all to do with the eu or we'd all have the same rights. So using that argument to point out ones rights will be worse after exit is utter shite.

 

[Rams]

Well the only thing on offer is hard exit as agreed by all 27 countries according to the guardian today, so there is little point in discussing the detail, we know whats on offer and that's that.

Britain will leave the EU and end up in the EEA on similar terms of the other EEA members that aren't in the EU, that's my prediction. That's why I think the governement is being so hush hush about their plans. We'll see if I'm wrong or right soon enough I guess.

 

[Rams]

My point is that workers rights has feck all to do with the eu or we'd all have the same rights. So using that argument to point out ones rights will be worse after exit is utter shite.

You're correct in that there is some autonomy within each EU member state and in the sense that the UK government can decide to leave workers rights unchanged. Personally, I'd be surprised if we don't see an austerity on workers rights in the UK given the historic UK opposition on EU directives regarding workers rights. Watch this space I guess.

 

[devilish]

Well the only thing on offer is hard exit as agreed by all 27 countries according to the guardian today, so there is little point in discussing the detail, we know whats on offer and that's that.

The uk gave them no choice. They expect unrestricted access to the single market without freedom of movement of people, accepting the custom union rules or pay in the eu budget