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Disagree strongly.
That's the weird thing about the debate, if Brussels and Strasbourg had full power, a lot of problems wouldn't exist but in the name of democracy and sovereignty every country is mostly free to do what he wants when it comes to national policies. But people still blame the EU for not being democratic or for being the source of all problems.
As far as I'm aware in the UK distances are still measured in miles and speed in mph
The will of the people, not dictated too by the EU blah, blah, blah...
Welsh and Scottish now formally in the article 50 hoohah.
R (on the application of Miller & Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, 5-8 December 2016
The Supreme Court has today confirmed that the following applications to intervene in the above case have been granted:
Counsel for the Scottish Government and for the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain have been invited to address in their skeleton arguments the relevance of points of Scots Law, so far as they do not also form part of the law of England and Wales, to the determination of the present proceedings.
A further update on other applications to intervene, and a timetable for oral submissions during the hearing, will be issued in due course.
The Court is not in a position to publish the interveners' applications, and any queries on them should be addressed to the relevant party.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html
R (on the application of Miller & Dos Santos) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, 5-8 December 2016
The Supreme Court has today confirmed that the following applications to intervene in the above case have been granted:
- The Lord Advocate, Scottish Government
- The Counsel General for Wales, Welsh Government
- The 'Expat Interveners', George Birnie and Others
- The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain
Counsel for the Scottish Government and for the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain have been invited to address in their skeleton arguments the relevance of points of Scots Law, so far as they do not also form part of the law of England and Wales, to the determination of the present proceedings.
A further update on other applications to intervene, and a timetable for oral submissions during the hearing, will be issued in due course.
The Court is not in a position to publish the interveners' applications, and any queries on them should be addressed to the relevant party.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html
News today of another unelected bunch of Europeans getting £369m from the British taxpayers. Oh never mind it's just the Royals, as you were. Remember to give generously to Children in Need.
They are, what I fail to understand with these cretins that seem to think we should revert to imperial units everywhere is that Britain was metric in 1969, ahead of joining the EU. Britain was the first to propose a universal metric system with John Wilkins in the 1600s and was ahead of the eventual adoption of the metric system in Europe in 1875 when the British Academy under Kelvin, Maxwell and Joule proposed adoption of a metric system across all scientific fields.
Why let such facts stand in the way of a good moan however, especially when it gives us the chance to blame the EU for something and after all it was that dastardly Napoleon that foisted the system on Europe and ensured the standard metre and kilogramme measures are held in Paris.
"Whilst the rest of the World uses the Metric system let us in the UK revert back Imperial units" seems to me like a really good idea. In fact, in order for Britain to keep is identity I think Britain should revert back to many things like the feudalism, the gold standard, steam power and bartering. Kin nutjobs.
Makes sense. We can start charging for our pounds and ounces of Marmite in florins and groats too. That'll teach those uppity continentals.
We need to hold tight to the little things which matter most to our sovereign identity in the face of Europe's unreasonable demands. No quarter shall be given, you know what them Eurozoners are like. Give 'em 2.54cm and they'll take 1,609m.
I think you're better off if you re-introduce hanged, drawn and quartered for treason. There's quite a long queue of politicians who lied to the British people during the referendum or forced a referendum to push their agenda ahead of national interest.
It's not all on the EU but the inability to devalue their currency has really hurt then since 2008. They have been left having to implement an internal devaluation with painful results. It of course suits German industry who can export their goods much cheaper than if they still had the DM. But the UK was thankfully out of the euro madhouse so I was happy to stay.
I think the EU is just easy to accuse of being undemocratic because the EU is less well known and understood by most people than their national politics and the politicians that take senior positions aren't well known outside of their countries. It has it's flaws and they aren't much worse than national democracies but because it's more complicated and less familiar to most people the "unelected bureaucrats" line works well.
Indeed. And the fact the vote was largely swayed by a bunch of unelected media moguls and a man whose never been elected in his own country, only makes the irony sweeter.*
*Sweeter being an inter-changeable word with infuriating, depressing and idiotic.
Should the uk start driving on the right aswell?
Metric is daft anyway. Base 12 is much better.
Other countries in the EU drive left. No one had ever complained about that
Personally I'd love it, I've never had any trouble driving on either side of the road but hate the pain of toll booth, car park and security barriers if I'm on my own driving on the continent. I'm not selfish enough to think it's all about me though and recognise the cost it would incur in terms of changing all the UK road layouts, junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights etc that would suddenly be impractical or dangerous due to the opposite directions of traffic flow.
No problem working in base 12, but for those who find maths a little harder I think limiting it to the number of fingers makes more sense. I'm sure however that once we've cut ourselves off from the rest of the world for long enough the inbreeding in the UK will see us as a nation catch up with the average number of fingers per capita in Blackburn and base 12 will look more logical
The Imperial measurement system always had a much more personal feel to it than the coldly scientific metric system, why would we want a measurement system based on the dimensions of our planet and the weight and volume of water when we could instead make Britain great again by having a system based on Henry the VIII's foot, the distance from the tip of Henry the first's nose to the tip of his outstretched index finger and the width of the average man's thumb. The perfect measurement system for the forelock tugging, royalty loving, me, me, me nation we are seeking to rediscover. In fact I propose we adjust our system of acceleration calculation to change the measurement G from gravitional acceleration to the acceleration of loveable little Prince George's first wave, we'll be the envy of the world and great once more when the traffic on the M25 is pulling 10G whilst the fastest supersonic fighter jets of our rivals struggle to surpass 5G before their wussy foreign pilots pass out.
Good post
Who feck can't use both metric and imperial
ok name them
Ireland, Malta and Cyprus
a lot of the workers rights the EU provides mean nothing to many people. The vast majority of workers rights protected by the EU are in regard to health and safety, which don't get me wrong in theory it is good thing, but in practice I couldn't honestly count the amount of times I've signed health and safety paper work in jobs, just to be told by bosses to do the exact thing I signed saying I wouldn't do.
I currently work in a theatre, and just this week we had a show in that you could not rig within health and safety laws..... we knew this when the show was booked in, I had pointed out to my bosses the touring company had pointed out to their bosses ..... do they give a crap of course not.... they just say make it happen.... and if it doesn't happen it's our jobs on the line in the next in the endless series of restructures. So I end up working 18 hour days doing things that are beyond unsafe and it's not like I work for some dogs company, the the theatres are run by the Council.
Yes maybe if I kicked up a fuss after a few years of fighting I may have got some where.... but in the mean time I would probably have lost my job which are incredibly hard to come by at the moment. I'm at least contracted staff, more and more people in the uk are on zero hour contracts, which means you have any kind of objection to the way you are treated and you don't get fired, they just stop giving you work, no fuss no warning.
I'm saying all this because like you said let's not build up the EU to be something it's not, and people build up the laws The that protect workers rights as this amazing thing that people should be worried about losing ..... people don't care because they see very little to no benift from them, the only difference is that you have to sign paper work saying it not the company's fault if you do the things your bosses are telling you to do.
Yeaaaaaah
2 small islands without land borders and historic ties to Britain. Oh and ireland.
I'd have been impressed if you had named a land locked country
They are still part of the EU mate.
Why would you be impressed?
totally agree, my rights have been set in holland and not by the eu. My cotract stipulates that it is bound by nbbu collective workers agreement and that is legally binding.
As a contractor i read the agreement and it stipulated i was entitled to the same benefits as a direct hire. Cue visit to hr and discussions with the company lawyer.
Result, 7% payrise backdated a year. I risked my job for this but i have to stand up for what i believe in. There are other benefits coming.
These agreements are to stop companies taking the piss out of contractors.
good for you for standing up for yourself, I have a lot of respect for that. its a hard thing to do ive seen a lot of people stand up to their bosses on rights and get nowhere except the doll que, so good for you! its nice to no sometimes justice does come through.
You breach health and safety regulations because your bosses tell you to and you're in fear for your job. Then you're a fool.
If you're talking paper cuts or some luvvie getting an ouchie then that's one thing but believe me, coming from an industry where fatal accidents are plentiful, anyone who deliberately breaches H&S regulations or instructs another person to do so is a prat and can and should be jailed for doing so. Speak to the local council's HSE inspector if you seriously have concerns that your boss will not take you seriously, it's far, far better than the alternative.
I've worked with a guy who mentally tortured himself after a long time colleague of his was nearly cut in two and paralysed for life when a sheet pile toe kicked out in an excavation he'd designed. Despite having been 100% blameless in the eyes of the HSE, he could not get over what he might have missed or what other information he could have included on the drawings to prevent the accident. One of my former companies had a week where I'd just finished bollocking the entire office in India about their laissez faire attitude to safety after 5 labourers had died taking a shortcut to the 15th floor in a concrete skip on the tower crane which broke free terrified myself of the reaming we would get from the Paris head office when the news came in that a bridge we were building in Vietnam had collapsed during construction burying 150 people in thousands of tonnes of green concrete and killing 52 people during the morning safety talk which had been moved under the bridge deck due to a tropical downpour. Not a single supervisor or engineer from that site ever returned to work despite the findings that they had done nothing wrong and that the collapse was down to a combination of factors outside their control.
If something is genuinely a threat to life or poses the risk of serious injury then you have to act and can never be penalised for doing so.
Many of the none HSE protections within European law should protect our workers from hardship and bullshit like zero hours contracts but sadly, as a nation we are all too quick to roll over and accept it and reelect the prick who instigated it whilst pretending it's the EU and immigrants that make the workers lot harder. When the French government recently tried to work around European workers rights the French workers struck, they blocked the motorways and rioted and protected their rights. Rather than envying their spirit our press criticised them for the holiday chaos the French would cause us Brits.
We, common working people, will be a damned sight worse off outside Europe and anyone who fails to see that is either blinded by the lies in the press or a fool. I suspect Europe will probably be slightly better off without us though as we've been nothing but a whinging, pain in the arse throughout our time in the Union.
Brexit Fallout Thead: one post of decent insight amidst a sea of bullshit.
Edit: like the great post above.
Edit: like the great post above.
In fairness there isn't many landlocked countries in the eu is there
Czech Republic
Hungary
Austria
Luxembourg
2 of them former Soviet client states and one of them pretty small as well
I have always found it strange in Thailand to be fair with Burma (mymar whatever) and Cambo driving on the different sides when you cross the boarder
That said it's fairly normal to encounter bikes and even cars going the wrong way (often in the cycle Lane but diving in / out of three Lane motorway speed teaffic) in Thailand so it's no drama... just get the biggest truck you can and go in a straight line
I love this post.
NZ, Australia, Japan (locked by themselves and water)
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The whole world should decide on one side to drive on (please make it left) as it is idiotic making cars in 2 forms.
Bury Red is rarely wrong even if he upsets you. I'd vote for him.
then i and most people are fools. What power do i have, i start kicking up a fuss, they will find away to get rid of me, maybe i can win some compensation after years of fighting, but i still would have lost my job and full time contracted work is like gold dust these days and when youve got it you hang on to it with both hands and beyond grateful.... becuase you don't know the next time it will come along!
Probably true.