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[Penna]

@Don't Kill Bill, our "two houses in two countries" wouldn't add up to the value of a tiny flat in the Home Counties. oates had a childhood where there was no inside toilet, in the 1960s. We both come from working-class families. I know what it's like to go hungry because I had no money. You're making a few assumptions about our life experiences based on where we are in our 50s.

There are small short lived marsupial mice who have never seen anywhere apart from the Simpson Desert who know Brexit is a silly idea.

 

[Member 5225]

Yes because they have been fed misinformation, they had no idea what they were voting for, as I said a long time ago, this shouldn't have gone to a referendum, how can someone with so little knowledge vote for a history changing event like this - absolutely ridiculous

Aw poor thing

 

[Bury Red]

Firstly, i don't think these comparisons between Brexit and Nazi Germany do Remain posters here any credit whatsoever.

Sorry Nick, I might have mentioned it once but thought I'd got away with it. At least we know who you are now and your Great Britishness is certifiable without a shadow of a doubt.

Secondly, the Guardian's article clearly stated that Mr Phillips resigned for reasons pre-dating the A50 court case. The other professed reasons are not particularly logical mind you, and his citing of the child refugee issue i found particularly odd.

Yes, he stated he thought the best route for Britain was to pursue a Norwegian style trade approach with the EU and he was horrified that the Tories now seemed to be putsching the country in the direction of a hard Brexit with all the potentially damaging consequences that entailed. He was a member of the Leave campaign within parliament, if he believed we were heading for a soft Brexit model then clearly his ballot form wasn't as well written as yours either. As for his mention of child refugees, it shows even a Tory can grow a heart, there might still be hope for you yet.

 

[Stanley Road]

Some of the remain posts sound so hate filled its unreal, these are the clever Oxbridge chaps innit?

 

[devilish]

Some of the remain posts sound so hate filled its unreal, these are the clever Oxbridge chaps innit?

I do also remember saying that I'd like to push Wolfgang Schäuble down the stairs in his wheelchair.

 

[Stanley Road]

@Don't Kill Bill, our "two houses in two countries" wouldn't add up to the value of a tiny flat in the Home Counties. oates had a childhood where there was no inside toilet, in the 1960s. We both come from working-class families. I know what it's like to go hungry because I had no money. You're making a few assumptions about our life experiences based on where we are in our 50s.

I think you’ll find this thread is full of assumptions.

To label the likes of me a knuckle dragging racist while i am doing better than a fair few, and being so far.off the mark, is just laughable. Thats why its hard to take them seriously.

 

[Stanley Road]

Please dont try and pretend hypocrisy is at play here.

My hatred for some eu figures has never been somehing i have tried to hide.

 

[devilish]

Please dont try and pretend hypocrisy is at play here.

My hatred for some eu figures has never been somehing i have tried to hide.

That was the most hateful post i read in this thread and it doesnt come from a remainer. It reminds me of a scene from a film about nazism.

So get off your high horse and stop playing the victim.

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

To be objective, some of the remain side comments are pretty hate filled too. Really not keen on all this condescending nonsense that all of the leave camp are uneducated reactionaries. It is sweeping attitudes such as these that make some remainers look conceited and frankly arrogant.

 

[Stanley Road]

That was the most hateful post i read in this thread and it doesnt come from a remainer. It reminds me of a scene from a film about nazism.

So get off your high horse and stop playing the victim.

It's not a change in tone thought is it?

Have a word with your mates as they seem to be changing theirs.

Nazism

 

[Stanley Road]

To be objective, some of the remain side comments are pretty hate filled too. Really not keen on all this condescending nonsense that all of the leave camp are uneducated reactionaries. It is sweeping attitudes such as these that make some remainers look conceited and frankly arrogant.

Indeed it does

They have turned into the very people they describe as exit voters

 

[devilish]

It's not a change in tone thought is it?

Have a word with your mates as they seem to be changing theirs.

Nazism

Ill try to find the film scene. You should be ashamed of that post but instead youre playing the victim card. With so many people having your same attitude no wonder why the world is in shambles

 

[JPRouve]

Indeed it does

They have turned into the very people they describe as exit voters

Not exactly, you could see the same type of comments fairly early. Which is why the referendum was a stupid idea from the start it has been a battle between british people about their lives as a nation and as individuals in the UK.

You needed general elections but instead opted for a EU referendum.

 

[Stanley Road]

Ill try to find the film scene. You should be ashamed of that post but instead youre playing the victim card. With so many people having your same attitude no wonder why the world is in shambles

It's because of a number of EUtopia figure heads that the EU is a shambles. Ashamed of that post, why should I be?

 

[RedSky]

There's an ignore button for a reason mate. It makes this thread much easier to read. @devilish

 

[devilish]

To be objective, some of the remain side comments are pretty hate filled too. Really not keen on all this condescending nonsense that all of the leave camp are uneducated reactionaries. It is sweeping attitudes such as these that make some remainers look conceited and frankly arrogant.

So youre expecting people who know better to simply accept this loony decision which will impact the country economy for years with a smile on their face not to hurt the brexiteers sensitive nature? Brexit was stupid. It was built on lies and xenophobia and the consequences of it will have a big impact on the economy for years to come. The brexiteers have no plan on how to move forward hence why they would like to avoid parliamentary scrutinity. Is that too hateful to accept?

 

[Stanley Road]

Not exactly, you could see the same type of comments fairly early. Which is why the referendum was a stupid idea from the start it has been a battle between british people about their lives as a nation and as individuals in the UK.

You needed general elections but instead opted for a EU referendum.

Voted for a referendum and that's what voters wanted. I have no sympathy.

 

[Stanley Road]

So youre expecting people who know better to simply accept this loony decision

Words fail me

 

[devilish]

It's because of a number of EUtopia figure heads that the EU is a shambles. Ashamed of that post, why should I be?

Because you would like to throw a disabled person off his stairs, thats why. Then you have the cheek to complain about the remainers hatred. Jeez

 

[devilish]

Words fail me

It shouldn't. Im no expert but time and time again ive been reading the so called brexit experts comment and ending asking myself if they are for real. They might be bright in their line but they got no idea of how the eu work. Which is a bit of a problem since the uk is determined to get a deal with eu. Same thing about this matter. Is it that difficult to understand that royal prerogative is not enough to leave the eu? Im no brit and yet i knew it. Its called common sense

 

[Stanley Road]

Because you would like to throw a disabled person off his stairs, thats why. Then you have the cheek to complain about the remainers hatred. Jeez

Its not his disability that i hate

Lets face it, somebody already tried to kill him for some reason

 

[JPRouve]

Voted for a referendum and that's what voters wanted. I have no sympathy.

I don't understand why would have sympathy?

And voters wanted to vote and express their anger, it could have been all sorts of vote, leaving the EU isn't going to fix any of their problems. And if immigration was such a problem for the pro brexit politicians, they would have already triggered the art.50, now we all know that it wasn't the issue, they just wanted to put themselves in a more powerful position.

 

[Abizzz]

Its not his disability that i hate

Lets face it, somebody already tried to kill him for some reason

... Blame the victim...

Could you at the very least form a coherent argument for your hatred of Schäuble?

Proclaiming that you hate him doesn't count. Neither does stating that he's evil or any other lunatic bs like "he's ruined greece"

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Voted for a referendum and that's what voters wanted. I have no sympathy.

No they didn't. HTH.

 

[Stanley Road]

It shouldn't. Im no expert but time and time again ive been reading the so called brexit experts comment and ending asking myself if they are for real. They might be bright in their line but they got no idea of how the eu work. Which is a bit of a problem since the uk is determined to get a deal with eu. Same thing about this matter. Is it that difficult to understand that royal prerogative is not enough to leave the eu? Im no brit and yet i knew it. Its called common sense

well blame the man and the party that delivered you this on a plate

can I take it that not a single person in the 48% minority will vote tory next time?

Once bitten twice shy and all that

 

[Stanley Road]

... Blame the victim...

Could you at the very least form a coherent argument for your hatred of Schäuble?

Proclaiming that you hate him doesn't count. Neither does stating that he's evil or any other lunatic bs like "he's ruined greece"

Yes, his comments and views on struggling Eurozone countries were disgusting.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

UK politics are fun. Not as gaudy as American politics but with some of that same "Oh Christ, what's happening now" unpredictability.

Laced with a big dose of "feck, they'll take us down with them, the idiots". Which takes away from the fun somewhat.

 

[Abizzz]

Yes, his comments and views on struggling Eurozone countries were disgusting.

Which comments and views exactly?

 

[JPRouve]

Which comments and views exactly?

He wanted to throw Greece out in order to deter any other Greece-like scenario.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

It's because of a number of EUtopia figure heads that the EU is a shambles. Ashamed of that post, why should I be?

Because you fantasize about pushing a man crippled in an assassination attempt down a flight of stairs in a wheelchair.

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

So youre expecting people who know better to simply accept this loony decision which will impact the country economy for years with a smile on their face not to hurt the brexiteers sensitive nature? Brexit was stupid. It was built on lies and xenophobia and the consequences of it will have a big impact on the economy for years to come. The brexiteers have no plan on how to move forward hence why they would like to avoid parliamentary scrutinity. Is that too hateful to accept?

'Brexit underclass' absolutely smacks of elitism, and the part about your perceived 'knowing better' is exactly the kind of conceit I'm talking about. If you genuinely believe that Brexit is based on xenophobia then you have failed to grasp that some very liberal thinkers were traditionally amongst those that oppose massive, centralised rule from overseas. I'm socially liberal myself, and can't for the life of me understand why the new left is so in love with a faceless right-wing, globalist beast such as the European Union. It's not a question of disliking one's neighbour.

Ever heard of MP Dennis Skinner? Y'know, the grey haired chap with the stick who called Cameron 'dodgy Dave' to his face. One of the old guard of the Labour working class left, he voted leave, as would many of the socialist Labour members of old.

I genuinely believe even Corbyn would have campaigned for leave if his parliamentary party wasn't filled with champagne yuppies.

So whilst Farage's campaign may well have dallied on the side of distrust and xenophobia, such a mindset is not universal amongst many decent and good people who despise the EU for honourable reasons. We are not all the 'underclass' you'd love to think we are.

 

[sullydnl]

Because you fantasize about pushing a man crippled in an assassination attempt down a flight of stairs in a wheelchair.

Yep. Much like Mr. Schäuble, he hasn't got a leg to stand on here.

 

[sullydnl]

Laced with a big dose of "feck, they'll take us down with them, the idiots". Which takes away from the fun somewhat.

There is that slight downside, yes.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Voted for a referendum and that's what voters wanted. I have no sympathy.

The general election was not a referendum to see if we wanted an EU referendum.

 

[Rado_N]

Jesus wept, the state of this thread.

 

[JPRouve]

'Brexit underclass' absolutely smacks of elitism, and the part about your perceived 'knowing better' is exactly the kind of conceit I'm talking about. If you genuinely believe that Brexit is based on xenophobia then you have failed to grasp that some very liberal thinkers were traditionally amongst those that oppose massive, centralised rule from overseas. I'm socially liberal myself, and can't for the life of me understand why the new left is so in love with a faceless right-wing, globalist beast such as the European Union. It's not a question of disliking one's neighbour.

Ever heard of MP Dennis Skinner? Y'know, the grey haired chap with the stick who called Cameron 'dodgy Dave' to his face. One of the old guard of the Labour working class left, he voted leave, as would many of the socialist Labour members of old.

I genuinely believe even Corbyn would have campaigned for leave if his parliamentary party wasn't filled with champagne yuppies.

So whilst Farage's campaign may well have dallied on the side of distrust and xenophobia, such a mindset is not universal amongst many decent and good people who despise the EU for honourable reasons. We are not all the 'underclass' you'd love to think we are.

And we comeback to the question that hasn't been answered once, which centralised rule from overseas do you have in mind?

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Yes, he stated he thought the best route for Britain was to pursue a Norwegian style trade approach with the EU and he was horrified that the Tories now seemed to be putsching the country in the direction of a hard Brexit with all the potentially damaging consequences that entailed. He was a member of the Leave campaign within parliament, if he believed we were heading for a soft Brexit model then clearly his ballot form wasn't as well written as yours either. As for his mention of child refugees, it shows even a Tory can grow a heart, there might still be hope for you yet.

I struggled to square his citing of child refugees as a reason, because he was perfectly happy to remain an MP whilst Cameron enacted a worse policy than Theresa May. Had he raised concerns over the Government's decision to resume the training of allegedly moderate rebels (a programme which revolted once in the field), there might at least have been some consistency to the complaint.

Even if his hope was for a simple replica of the Norway-model, i would still argue that the best approach is for the Government to adopt a strong negotiating strategy, wherein a hard Brexit is also acceptable to us. Do you suppose that when Mr Phillips bought his first property, that he informed all of the other prospective buyers to his financial circumstances? Or more deluded still, made a low offer, assuming the owner would actually sell at a higher price out of generosity?

Additionally, the main purpose of most allusions to Norway and Switzerland has been the suggestion of a British-model, not a blind copy.

As it stands we have a grouping of states totalling 6% of the world's population, telling us that we must accept a situation where they are responsible for nearly 50% of net immigration. It is not a racist policy for the UK to expect a better deal than that.

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

And we comeback to the question that hasn't been answered once, which centralised rule from overseas do you have in mind?

Try about 40% of our laws - the exact number varies. Key areas being agriculture, fisheries and trade. The EU's widespread control of lawmaking is indisputable.

 

[PedroMendez]

Jesus wept, the state of this thread.

politics brings us all closer together (so we can beat the shit out of each other)

 

[JPRouve]

Try about 40% of our laws - the exact number varies. Key areas being agriculture, fisheries and trade. The EU's widespread control of lawmaking is indisputable.

You realise that you made these laws not the EU, you have the possibility to vote against them every single time but your politicians, the ones telling you that they are victims of the EU(victims of their own decisions) like these laws.