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Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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Not sure this competitive comparing of our family histories and war legacy is that helpful. My late grandfather was a POW in Germany. The older generation largely voted out cos they still see Britain through some rose-tinted Commonwealth prism and view Europe with distrust given the war and or rationing memories, depending on their age.
My other grandfather was essential industries, being a crane operator on the docks in Hull. He saw friends die and Hull was one of the worst bombed cities in the war. He was my granddad, but he was racist- my mum had to slap him down when he made a load of comments about my brother's then mixed race girlfriend- he didn't survive to see me marry a Mauritian. A lot of that generation were and are racist, war heroes or not.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
One Brexiteer's view - got as far as the "1976 referendum campaign" - shame I voted in the 1975 referendum
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So you read, what, nearly two-thirds of the article? Perhaps you or Devilish would like to refute his points, or those concerns raised in the Guardian article?
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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Speaking in general, I don't see how being part of the WWII generation in any way means people can't be stupid and racist or vote along those lines.

Which isn't to say Leavers voted that way because they're racist. Just that being involved in a World War is irrelevant.
 
The competitive family history story trading reminds me of 'I won the mums!'

 
africanspur said:
Are you on a wind up Don't Kill Bill?

If not, who made you the spokesman for the 'Brexit underclass' (what a fecking horrible term btw for whoever coined that).

You are being a complete ass for no real reason to multiple posters.
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Hang on a minute they are quoting me and I am responding to the alerts and I am sorry if I offend them but when people in this thread say they don't understand the Brexit vote and its quite obvious to me why what do want me to do?
 
Wibble said:
There are small short lived marsupial mice who have never seen anywhere apart from the Simpson Desert who know Brexit is a silly idea.
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Did they speak to you in squeaks or was it a telepathic meeting of equal minds?

It is great to know where you get your thinking from and we will adjust our opinion of your opinion accordingly. What do the marsupial mice say about Isis because I think we should base the entire western world's response on their insight given to you as the mouse minded marsupial champion of the world.
 
sullydnl said:
Speaking in general, I don't see how being part of the WWII generation in any way means people can't be stupid and racist or vote along those lines.

Which isn't to say Leavers voted that way because they're racist. Just that being involved in a World War is irrelevant.
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But what seems to be forgotten in all this inter-generational debate, is that people who agreed with an economic project in 1975, are very much entitled to disagree with its political evolution 40-years later. They may well have observed over time that the EU is not to be trusted, and has centralised to a point beyond which they are comfortable. A person in the late-teens or early-20s simply doesn't have this perspective.

Which isn't to say that people can't be set n their ways on impulse; i had a minor debate about cycling lanes with my father just last night. Although we did all agree that British cyclists tend to be less considerate than those encountered in Amsterdam. But i digress.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Go on I'll keep up with your pretence, highly amusing watching you dig a hole for yourself every time you post.

Can you tell me whereabouts in the UK you live.

Three months might seem a long long time for a chil

You ought to tell all the other Brit expats and non-British people that they don't know what they're talking about either. Poor old Stan's lived in Holland for about 20 years I believe, he hasn't got a clue either.

People like us don't have access to the internet or information, we don't have families who live in the UK, we have no knowledge of what goes on in the world.

You wise people who have lived all over Britain and know about every aspect of British life can certainly teach us a few things, or do you get your information from the Daily Mail
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You move away and it is a given you can't come back because the place you left changes. I thought that was commonly understood.That is the point I am making about you. You left and we changed and you don't like it because the Uk should be forever exactly the way you left it. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
But what seems to be forgotten in all this inter-generational debate, is that people who agreed with an economic project in 1975, are very much entitled to disagree with its political evolution 40-years later. They may well have observed over time that the EU is not to be trusted, and has centralised to a point beyond which they are comfortable. A person in the late-teens or early-20s simply doesn't have this perspective.

Which isn't to say that people can't be set n their ways on impulse; i had a minor debate about cycling lanes with my father just last night. Although we did all agree that British cyclists tend to be less considerate than those encountered in Amsterdam. But i digress.
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The cycle path layout around the main Vauxhall roundabout over the bridge is a menace- you have to cross the cycle path and it causes indignation on both sides. Seriously ill-designed.

Can you really compare what was voted for in 1975 with what the EU has morphed to be? You've had Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all renegotiate our terms with the organisation in the intervening years.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Did they speak to you in squeaks or was it a telepathic meeting of equal minds?

It is great to know where you get your thinking from and we will adjust our opinion of your opinion accordingly. What do the marsupial mice say about Isis because I think we should base the entire western world's response on their insight given to you as the mouse minded marsupial champion of the world.
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It's the way you tell em.

And to be pedantic marsupial mice don't squeak.
 
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Jippy said:
The cycle path layout around the main Vauxhall roundabout over the bridge is a menace- you have to cross the cycle path and it causes indignation on both sides. Seriously ill-designed.

Can you really compare what was voted for in 1975 with what the EU has morphed to be? You've had Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all renegotiate our terms with the organisation in the intervening years.
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Near to me they are replacing an existing bus lane with a cycle lane. Of course the bust stops remain in the same place, meaning that Mr and Mrs Push Bike have tow ait behind a double-decker. Yet will they do that in practice? When i was by the Embankment the other week the cyclists were speeding past in deadly silence; in Amsterdam, they signal if a pedestrian is close.

I would assert that a predominantly trade based agreement continues to be what the UK would favour, so the EU's various political evolutions are of crucial importance. If Labour and the Tories hadn't resorted to deception in he past, the public could have examined these developments one stage at a time.
 
Jippy said:
Not sure this competitive comparing of our family histories and war legacy is that helpful. My late grandfather was a POW in Germany. The older generation largely voted out cos they still see Britain through some rose-tinted Commonwealth prism and view Europe with distrust given the war and or rationing memories, depending on their age.
My other grandfather was essential industries, being a crane operator on the docks in Hull. He saw friends die and Hull was one of the worst bombed cities in the war. He was my granddad, but he was racist- my mum had to slap him down when he made a load of comments about my brother's then mixed race girlfriend- he didn't survive to see me marry a Mauritian. A lot of that generation were and are racist, war heroes or not.
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I made the point that the majority of people of that generation voted brexit. I think that is true, if I am wrong you can show me the breakdown that says otherwise, can you do that?

I made the point versus someone who said voting brexit was like voting for Hitler. Do you believe that because I don't, and neither do the generation which stopped him?

lots of stupid posters then talk shite about how old people are who fought in the war and how few of them there are etc etc. This thread is really full of people who can't follow an argument.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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My father and my grandfather were lovely people, salt of the earth, who fought in 2 world wars. But they held various views, probably simply a product of their times, that were to varying degrees racist and stupid. You don't get a pass because of age or past input. And this land of hope and glory, it was all great when we had an empire rubbish is just that, rubbish. And in the past.

Not sure how relevant it is but as we are playing the comparative family story game I also had an Uncle (or perhaps great Uncle) who had ace war stories except they were obviously all made up as we knew he was in the catering core and never served overseas. We called him Biggles and he didn't like Indian people that much as the food was too spicy for him.
 
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Wibble said:
My father and my grandfather were lovely people, salt of the earth, who fought in 2 world wars. But they held various views, probably simply a product of their times, that were to varying degrees racist and stupid. You don't get a pass because of age or past input. And this land of hope and glory, it was all great when we had an empire rubbish is just that, rubbish. And in the past.
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All true and I wouldn't disagree except when people say voting Brexit is like voting for Hitler. Do you think it is because I don't and neither did the people who fought against him?
 
Answered above. No. Not in any meaningful way. More like voting for trump. A really really bad idea but not really comparable to voting a bloke in who will start a world war with added genocide.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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So basically he was one of those generations who enjoyed free tertiary education, cheap housing, a pension and a stable job only to make sure that the people in the next generations won't have that. He saw with his very eyes how EEC/EU membership turned a country which needed a bailout from the IMF into a top economy and yet, he still voted against it.

I hope he'll live another 40 years to enjoy the joys of Brexit in full (I really do). However we both know that he won't foot the consequences of this decision wouldn't he?
 
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
But what seems to be forgotten in all this inter-generational debate, is that people who agreed with an economic project in 1975, are very much entitled to disagree with its political evolution 40-years later. They may well have observed over time that the EU is not to be trusted, and has centralised to a point beyond which they are comfortable. A person in the late-teens or early-20s simply doesn't have this perspective.

Which isn't to say that people can't be set n their ways on impulse; i had a minor debate about cycling lanes with my father just last night. Although we did all agree that British cyclists tend to be less considerate than those encountered in Amsterdam. But i digress.
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What about the alternative viewpoint that the older generations as they would have been back then voted in favour of a collaborative EU because of the atrocities that had happened a few decades previous and ongoing tensions?

The majority of people below 40 voted in favour of Remain, that is a fact. The older generation we have today, who remember would have been the younger generation in 1975, have benefited the most out of a developing Britain of any generation to date. The feeling among many young people is that they have used and abused society to its maximum potential and are continuing to vote selfishly out of a blinded view that immigrants are saturating public services, taking jobs and property.

Its widely known that the ageing population (requiring more regular and intensive provisions), and not immigrants, are the most significant drain on resources and funding for services as the NHS, housing and public transport. In many instances it's actually immigrants who are helping to keep the services afloat.

Do you accept, that from a general perspective, immigration was the primary reason for voting Brexit? And if so, can you not see why that is such a conflicted position? Especially for the older generations.
 
My mother-in-law (also 80) was in China when the 1939-45 war started, as her father was a merchant seaman. Her father died unexpectedly and as the rest of the family tried to escape back to the UK, they were caught and she was interned in a Japanese POW camp, which has adversely affected her health all her life. She missed out on education and her mother never recovered from the trauma. She voted remain.

Witnessing and experiencing the atrocities of war doesn't make voting leave any more logical.
 
People, by and large, tend to fall into this trap of believing that world was at its peak when they were in the prime of their lives.

I was watching a documentary about housing in the UK in the 1930s. Poor people were living in houses that were falling down, living among rats and sharing one toilet among four families. Losing children through disease because of these squalid conditions was not uncommon.

I'm not exactly sure what was so great about Britain then.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
People, by and large, tend to fall into this trap of believing that world was at its peak when they were in the prime of their lives.

I was watching a documentary about housing in the UK in the 1930s. Poor people were living in houses that were falling down, living among rats and sharing one toilet among four families. Losing children through disease because of these squalid conditions was not uncommon.

I'm not exactly sure what was so great about Britain then.
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Why are the 1930's relevant?
 
Stanley Road said:
"Just over 67% of voters supported the Labour government's campaign to stay in the EEC"

Amusing
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Even more amusing I voted Labour in the October 1974 GE (the only time). My father voted Tory and also voted for the EEC. As I have said before this is not about party politics. All those of my family that voted Leave in the latest referendum always vote Labour. Even more amusing. Pretty sure the Nissan workers in Sunderland don't normally vote Conservative.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So you read, what, nearly two-thirds of the article? Perhaps you or Devilish would like to refute his points, or those concerns raised in the Guardian article?
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If he can't even get a basic common knowledge date right, what says that the rest of his article is accurate.
The Guardian article is one person's opinion from 2010.

However, this is beside the point.

I am no lawyer but I do know about trade and finance which is the point of most of my posts in this thread.
My point about legal issues is to know what specific laws affect the day to day life of a citizen of the UK which would be better if the UK is outside the EU.

Have been asking this since the original thread. Name just ten laws that worsen the life of a UK citizen because the UK is in the EU.
So far no-one has been able to name one.

Not being a legal expert I would like to know what specifically is damaging for a UK citizen.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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When did I say he was stupid and racist. You said that the people who fought in the war were the ones that voted for Brexit.
My point if you read it again was that the people who did fight in the war would be very old now and not too many would be about. It was your maths I was questioning.
My father was 18 when he volunteered to join the RAF in 1941. He was 22 when the war finished. If he was still alive he would be 93 now.
They lived around the Surrey Docks area in London during the war and constant bombing from the Germans, many of their friends and family lost their lives in the Blitz.
My mother worked at the Woolwich Arsenal arnaments factory. One day she had a day off, she went back to work the next day and the whole team she worked with had been killed in a bombing raid. She has a hatred for Germans.

Do we want to return to times like those. Unify people , break down the barriers of ignorance and misunderstanding, this is a step in the wrong direction.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
You move away and it is a given you can't come back because the place you left changes. I thought that was commonly understood.That is the point I am making about you. You left and we changed and you don't like it because the Uk should be forever exactly the way you left it. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
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Why can't I come back even though I don't want to come back. One of the reasons I left was because I didn't like it as it was when I did leave. However, it doesn't mean that I haven't been to the UK since. Like Stan he goes back quite regularly. I speak to my family living in the UK all the time. I can watch BBC and Sky News on the TV, I can read articles and information on line.

I was MD of two UK companies and travelled around Europe and other parts of the world with my job. I was in contact with the companies in the UK dozens of times a day.
We don't all live in a bubble. I've never been to Marseille, but I live in France, this means nothing. You may live in the south and have no idea what it's like to live in Newcastle for instance. What makes you so expert about the UK more than anyone else.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
My Dad is 80 next month he was born in 1936 his uncle was killed fighting to retake Caan and he was bombed during the war. Go on tell me again how stupid and racist he is because he voted leave which he did like most of the people of his generation and your mothers.
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I don't get what point your trying to make here? If you fought in the war you can't be racist or are you actually trying to tell us that nobody of that generation is a racist?

Because everyone knows thats not true.
 
Also how do Brexiter's feel about Theresa May flirting with India over access to Indian markets in return for freer movement of people?
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
I made the point that the majority of people of that generation voted brexit. I think that is true, if I am wrong you can show me the breakdown that says otherwise, can you do that?

I made the point versus someone who said voting brexit was like voting for Hitler. Do you believe that because I don't, and neither do the generation which stopped him?

lots of stupid posters then talk shite about how old people are who fought in the war and how few of them there are etc etc. This thread is really full of people who can't follow an argument.
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Not sure you actually read my post. I said one of the reasons a lot of the elderly voted out is cos they have an inherent mistrust of Europe owing to the war.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Also how do Brexiter's feel about Theresa May flirting with India over access to Indian markets in return for freer movement of people?
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As somebody who was utterly bemused by the claims that 20 million Turkish people were set to flood into Britain - a dumb headline on so many levels, but still no less galling to see it there in print - I suppose that must seem like a drop in the ocean when you're flirting with a country of over 1 billion people. I hope they sink the island.
 
Jippy said:
Not sure you actually read my post. I said one of the reasons a lot of the elderly voted out is cos they have an inherent mistrust of Europe owing to the war.
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I doubt many people who fought in the war are still alive and would make up a very small percentage of any voters. Somehow he doesn't like people pointing out this fact.

More interesting is that in the 1975 referendum, a massive majority voted in favour of the EEC, the people who voted then did include a lot of people who did fight or were affected by the war, plus the young generation of which I was part of.
 
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Also how do Brexiter's feel about Theresa May flirting with India over access to Indian markets in return for freer movement of people?
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May: "we are the 5th biggest economy in the world. A trade deal will benefit us bo"

MODI "We want more freedom of travelling"

May "thats an issue. We want to lower immigration rates down"

Modi "then go back home deary. Weve got nothing to discuss about"

May "but"

Modi "as said"

May "ok ok..we will reduce red tape"

Modi "thats my girl"
 
Dan said:
She can't even get a meeting with Tata Steel. :lol:

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Having a capable leader is a pretty important detail of the entire thing that seems to have been overlooked. Sure, Britain will do anything and everything it wants in the wake of an exit from Europe. However, nobody can say with any certainty what it actually will do. I think it's safe to say that the jury is still well and truly out on whether or not she's the person to make those things happen.
 
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