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FT video
Business owners really so ill-informed
The woman who's supposed to be the Director-General of the British Chamber of Commerce - completely clueless

Matthew Elliott - ex CEO Leave - a completely ignorant dildo. How can anyone be this stupid.

George Parker, Political Editor (!) of the FT seems to understand almost nothing.

It's almost as if people in the UK are just slightly becoming aware of what was obvious in 2016 but it'll be alright because ......they have no idea but they might get a better deal (in their heads)
 
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That the probable incoming Labour government think that they have a menu to choose from when they get in. Still eight years later and nothing changes.
Another five years of nonsense incoming for the British people.
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What could/should Labour do?

What options do they really have on Brexit?
 
MegadrivePerson said:
[QUOTE="Paul the Wolf, post: 31770807

That the probable incoming Labour government think that they have a menu to choose from when they get in. Still eight years later and nothing changes.
Another five years of nonsense incoming for the British people.
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What could/should Labour do?

What options do they really have on Brexit?
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They had a chance to call it out from eight years ago but decided not to and firstly sat on the fence and then offered the ridiculous second referendum and wanting the same benefits inside and outside the EU. They keep saying they'll renegotiate since the 2019 GE. Now you'll have how ever long Starmer lasts saying they'll make Brexit work. Eight years wasted so far because they're scared of Brexiters. Another 5 to come.

There has to be a starting point to reverse it, but if nobody even tries, it's not going to happen. It's a very long term project but the first step is to have a strong leader who actually understands what needs to be involved. The current Labour leader and shadow cabinet are definitely not the right people for the job. Trying to pick and choose from the EU what they like is not a starting point and they clearly have no idea about what the latter part of Brexit (the next 5 years) involves.

This may sound strange when Starmer and his crew are just about to win an election with probably a large majority but Labour have the wrong leader.
 
I thought I would find out who the strange looking woman was who is the Director-General of the British Chambers of Commerce. Previously worked for the government as a Civil Servant and business adviser. Why does this not surprise me.

Think Liz Truss may soon have another rival after Abysmal Enoch but the wild staring eyes are scary.

We now know who Starmer parrotted. Furthermore there's a video of Starmer from the same event. When he talks about the EU, the complete lack of understanding is scary.

 
What's both funniest and most frustrating is he knows the gammons have and will continue to lap it up.
 
Yeah, let's not bother checking the food that's coming from a different customs area. The man is an idiot.
 
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:lol: absolute state of this cnut
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The comment section is full of people saying buy British cheese, it's just as good. Suddenly Brexit is about reverting to 1940s food choices and agrarian self-sufficiency policies.
 
Jippy said:
The comment section is full of people saying buy British cheese, it's just as good. Suddenly Brexit is about reverting to 1940s food choices and agrarian self-sufficiency policies.
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I love that we’ve somehow made Cheese a binary choice. The Uk makes some great cheese.

But the facts are;

- Other cheeses are available and Brexit has made them more expensive.
- British cheese is not that much better that other countries will buy it if costs are higher.
- Places like New Zealand make incredible cheddar (Kapiti Port Wine omg) and the trade agreement we’ve made sees it currently undercutting our most popular and best cheeses on a cost/taste judgement. Not at the bottom mass produced end but at the tasty end 100%.
- Our own cheeses are made more expensive as companies can’t make as much money from exports so have to raise local prices.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I love that we’ve somehow made Cheese a binary choice. The Uk makes some great cheese.

But the facts are;

- Other cheeses are available and Brexit has made them more expensive.
- British cheese is not that much better that other countries will buy it if costs are higher.
- Places like New Zealand make incredible cheddar (Kapiti Port Wine omg) and the trade agreement we’ve made sees it currently undercutting our most popular and best cheeses on a cost/taste judgement. Not at the bottom mass produced end but at the tasty end 100%.
- Our own cheeses are made more expensive as companies can’t make as much money from exports so have to raise local prices.
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And if demand for British cheese goes up because of lack of imports then the price will either go up or there will be need for more immigrants to actually make it or probably both!
 
Red in STL said:
And if demand for British cheese goes up because of lack of imports then the price will either go up or there will be need for more immigrants to actually make it or probably both!
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You forget the Daily Mail / The Sun 3rd way…

“Price of cheese soars as people on benefits sit home leaving immigrants making Our Cheese while living in council homes that Uk people should be in”
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
You forget the Daily Mail / The Sun 3rd way…

“Price of cheese soars as people on benefits sit home leaving immigrants making Our Cheese while living in council homes that Uk people should be in”
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I'm located inn the US these days so don't read/see those outlooks

British cheese is generally better than the American stuff, thankfully Aldi imports some because I love cheese and Alsi is close by :)
 
Red in STL said:
I'm located inn the US these days so don't read/see those outlooks

British cheese is generally better than the American stuff, thankfully Aldi imports some because I love cheese and Alsi is close by :)
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British cheese imported by a German supermarket chain in the USA.
Cheddar's made all over the world now.

A lot of Heinz products that used to be made in the UK are now made in the Netherlands. So I can buy HP sauce with a picture of the Houses of Parliament on it in a French supermarket without all the fuss and costs of importing it making it more expensive for UK customers.
The irony of Brexit.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
British cheese imported by a German supermarket chain in the USA.
Cheddar's made all over the world now.

A lot of Heinz products that used to be made in the UK are now made in the Netherlands. So I can buy HP sauce with a picture of the Houses of Parliament on it in a French supermarket without all the fuss and costs of importing it making it more expensive for UKthe like customers.
The irony of Brexit.
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Don't tend to buy cheddar, but stuff like double Gloucester, Wensleydale, blue Stilton and such like, most supermarkets here carry Brie, Gouda, Edam, Camembert and a number of Italian cheeses, though some are actually made in the US but not all

HP is owned by a French company is it not? Anyway Heinz stuff in the UK is way different to the US stuff which in a lot of cases would be illegal to sell, and beware of Cadbury, the US version is way different to the US version and tastes almost as bad as Hershey!

Lidl are over here now as well, there's not one near me but when I move to SC there's one not to far away
 
Red in STL said:
Don't tend to buy cheddar, but stuff like double Gloucester, Wensleydale, blue Stilton and such like, most supermarkets here carry Brie, Gouda, Edam, Camembert and a number of Italian cheeses, though some are actually made in the US but not all

HP is owned by a French company is it not? Anyway Heinz stuff in the UK is way different to the US stuff which in a lot of cases would be illegal to sell, and beware of Cadbury, the US version is way different to the US version and tastes almost as bad as Hershey!

Lidl are over here now as well, there's not one near me but when I move to SC there's one not to far away
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I'm sure Brie is made deliberately to export to the UK - I've never eaten any in France. Much better cheeses to choose from.
HP was bought by Kraft-Heinz and is now made by them in NL.
Cadbury's anywhere now tastes awful - nothing like it used to be back in the day.

We have a Lidl quite close to us.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I'm sure Brie is made deliberately to export to the UK - I've never eaten any in France. Much better cheeses to choose from.
HP was bought by Kraft-Heinz and is now made by them in NL.
Cadbury's anywhere now tastes awful - nothing like it used to be back in the day.

We have a Lidl quite close to us.
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Have to go to an international shop or use Amazon to get HP - Yanks don't do brown sauce

Also treat myself to Ambrosia rice pudding now and again via Amazon, another thing that isn't sold here, mushy peas as well
 
Red in STL said:
Have to go to an international shop or use Amazon to get HP - Yanks don't do brown sauce

Also treat myself to Ambrosia rice pudding now and again via Amazon, another thing that isn't sold here, mushy peas as well
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You can buy ‘brown sauce’ in large American cities. Look for ‘Tonkostu sauce’ in any Japanese supermarket or deli. Identical.
 
Stanley Road said:
You're not making sense, is it the same cheese or not? That was the question.
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Probably, it doesn't matter, but now it has to be proved, certified etc like everything else.
Everything has to be traceable and certified if it's moving from one customs area to another.

Goods going from the UK to the EU, it's the same except that the EU have been conducting the inspections , paperwork requirements etc since Brexit happened.
Leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union erects enormous barriers and there's another few years before it's all in place.
This was the UK's choice.
 
Stanley Road said:
You're not making sense, is it the same cheese or not? That was the question.
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it's all likely to be the same products being exchanged between the EU and UK. The problem is, when you decide to detach yourself from the same rule book, how are you supposed to trust it's ALWAYS the same product? The rules and regulations say how things should be done, what standards are met and what is the punishment for breaching those rules/regs. When you are both accepting the same rules under the same umbrella, you have recourse for when the rules are broken. When parties detach from each other and stop agreeing to the same rules, both sides then need to create rules for their own sides. Enforcing said rules as separate parties inherently creates more regulation jobs of all kinds, thus pricing increases.

If both sides divorce from the same rule book, but you do what Mogg suggest (having no checks), then you country becomes a dumping ground for sub-standard product as companies chase profits. Then that puts further pressure on the EU cheese that kept up normal standards to the UK to either eat the price difference compared to the competition, degrade the quality of the product, or simply lie. So how do you stop that from happening without some kind of rules/regs for importation into the UK and exportation to the EU?

Mogg's argument is not that "regulation is not needed because it's the same product". His argument is that you plebs should just deal with whatever is the cheapest product and take your own health risks.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Probably, it doesn't matter, but now it has to be proved, certified etc like everything else.
Everything has to be traceable and certified if it's moving from one customs area to another.

Goods going from the UK to the EU, it's the same except that the EU have been conducting the inspections , paperwork requirements etc since Brexit happened.
Leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union erects enormous barriers and there's another few years before it's all in place.
This was the UK's choice.
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You are too harsh on these MPs. This isn't what they voted for. I mean, it is exactly that, but you didn't expect them to read the deal did you?
 
i think people are completely missing what Mogg is saying. He is talking about brexit being the opportunity for the UK to be a dumping ground for cheap, inferior, dangerous products and that these regulations get in the way of that. He's not asking "how did brexit cause this" as some kind of "pie in face" moment. He's annoyed that you lot have decided to check on products coming in at all. :lol:
 
Frosty said:
You are too harsh on these MPs. This isn't what they voted for. I mean, it is exactly that, but you didn't expect them to read the deal did you?
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No, and all these years later they still haven't and still have no idea what was voted for on all sides of the chamber.

Although one of the funniest things was when Labour expected to renegotiate a deal within three months and then present the deal to the public who they expected to understand what was placed in front of them and then have another referendum.

The MP's still don't understand all these years later. Crazy.
 
WPMUFC said:
i think people are completely missing what Mogg is saying. He is talking about brexit being the opportunity for the UK to be a dumping ground for cheap, inferior, dangerous products and that these regulations get in the way of that. He's not asking "how did brexit cause this" as some kind of "pie in face" moment. He's annoyed that you lot have decided to check on products coming in at all. :lol:
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Yes. He wants the UK as a dumping ground.
This happened years ago while the UK was in the EU - they got into big trouble, mainly importing all sorts of dangerous crap from China.

The forthcoming Freeport saga will be something to behold if that ridiculous scheme gets off the ground.
 
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