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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Hilarious question and answer session by the sound of it with Cameron as Foreign Secretary in the Lords. They really have no idea what they're doing and/or expect the public to swallow any old b*ll*x which they undoubtedly will.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0822ad14b8f4ab#block-657b2c4b8f0822ad14b8f4ab

A few gems:
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Q: Would you consider a visa waiver system to enable musicians to tour in the EU more easily?

Cameron claims quite a lot of steps have already been taken on this already.


Yep, it's the UK that issue the visas for entry into the EU. Right.

2.
Lord Hannay asks Cameron is he accepts that, if the UK were to leave the European convention on human rights, that might put the trade and cooperation agreement at risk. The TCA assumes the UK remains party to the ECHR.

Cameron says the supreme court judgment wasn’t really about the ECHR. It was about conditions in Rwanda, he says.

He says he is confident that the Rwanda policy can be made to work.


You implement the Rwanda policy, you're in deep sh!t tradewise.

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Back at the Lords committee, Roger Liddle asks about the trade and cooperation agreement with the EU.

Cameron says Rishi Sunak has built good relations with the EU. That has led to positive results, like the UK rejoining Horizon, and the Windsor framework.

He says the UK should “make the most of what we’ve got”.

He does not favour trying to reopen the deal, he says.


Lots of non-EU countries are associate members of Horizon. The Windsor Framework is part of the agreement to keep Northern Ireland operating because of the DUP who still haven't resumed in Stormont. Conned again.

4.
The TCA is subject to review. The UK has things it would like to fix, and the EU probably has its own list. But it does not always help laying things out in advance, he says.

Lord Lamont asks Cameron to accept that the review of the TCA will be narrow.

Cameron says that right. The agreement talks about the “implementation” of the deal being reviewed. He goes on:


We are not suddenly going to reopen free movement … That is absolutely not what this is about.
The review is minor tweaking of the TCA - hope Starmer understands this (I know he doesn't)
 
How bad do things have to get before they reverse it?
Really, really, really bad. And then they'll do something that slightly stops the really (x3) bad thing, but not entirely. And then every press outlet will tell us we should be overjoyed at the new standard of living, and the BBC will post an article called "10 reasons why living in a bin fighting squirrels for scraps of dog meat isn't as bad as you think".
 
Give it 40 years.
Personally I don't think it'll happen, the conditions to make it happen are probably going to be unacceptable to a lot of people + I suspect the EU will shrink at some point, there's a huge amount of Nationalism in some EU countries and I can see "Brexit" votes happening elsewhere at some point
 
Personally I don't think it'll happen, the conditions to make it happen are probably going to be unacceptable to a lot of people + I suspect the EU will shrink at some point, there's a huge amount of Nationalism in some EU countries and I can see "Brexit" votes happening elsewhere at some point
Most EU countries are getting a lot more out of the EU than they are contributing, I don't see them leaving really.
 
How bad do things have to get before they reverse it?

The problem is there's no way to make it better. Other than a complete change of the mindset and a complete change of most of the politicians in the UK and a complete change of the way the media feed the nonsense to the British people. It's a long way off.

It's only three years since the UK left properly. By the end of the decade as things worsen and the country starts understanding what they actually voted for, then maybe there will be a shift.
But it won't happen under the current Tory or Labour parties.
 
Most EU countries are getting a lot more out of the EU than they are contributing, I don't see them leaving really.
So did the UK.

the main difference is most EU countries don’t pine for their former slave driving, colonising, war mongering empire like a lot of the auld Brits still do.
 
Most EU countries are getting a lot more out of the EU than they are contributing, I don't see them leaving really.
Maybe but it's not always about what you get out, it's about being told what to do, or more specifically what you can't do, one of the reasons the UK left was because the people don't like being told they must do this or can't do that, that's not a uniquely British thing and it's definitely on the rise in some countries
 
Maybe but it's not always about what you get out, it's about being told what to do, or more specifically what you can't do, one of the reasons the UK left was because the people don't like being told they must do this or can't do that, that's not a uniquely British thing and it's definitely on the rise in some countries

What specifically were people told they couldn't do?
 
Maybe but it's not always about what you get out, it's about being told what to do, or more specifically what you can't do, one of the reasons the UK left was because the people don't like being told they must do this or can't do that, that's not a uniquely British thing and it's definitely on the rise in some countries

The EU will get bigger not smaller. Being told what to do was one of the lies that the Brexiters believed. Amongst the thousands of others. The Uk was one of the main decision makers.

There may be some nationalism and anti-immigration sentiment. The difference is that other EU countries realise that voting against EU citizens only increases immigration from the rest of the world and destroying their economy is not a sensible thing to do.
 
Haven't seen any mention of this in the UK press since the decision was taken on 21st December but the nice EU have extended the grace period for EV's and batteries for another three years.

Partnership Council confirms one-off extension of the current rules of origin for electric vehicles and batteries
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_6707
 
They've ruined our Brexit!

Metric measurement rules to stay after Brexit review

The government has confirmed it is not planning to change the rules on selling in imperial measures after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67795075
On the bright side it will be possible to sell pints of champagne in the UK which is exactly the kind of forward thinking I was hoping to see.
 
Another ready made answer next time Gove or JRM are asked about brexit benefits.
 
They've ruined our Brexit!

Metric measurement rules to stay after Brexit review

The government has confirmed it is not planning to change the rules on selling in imperial measures after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67795075
The department also announced that rules would be altered to allow a 568 ml "pint" size of wine to be stocked on Britain's supermarkets, pubs, clubs and restaurant for the first time.

The move, it said, that was "ever thanks to new freedoms from leaving the European Union".

The 568ml size would sit alongside the 200ml and 500ml measures already available, it said.

The department said the reforms were thanks to "new Brexit freedoms" obtained via the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023.

"Our exit from the EU was all about moments just like this, where we can seize new opportunities and provide a real boost to our great British wineries and further growing the economy," enterprise, markets and small business minister Kevin Hollinrake said.

Wow now you can order a pint of wine, what a win for Brexit.
 
The department also announced that rules would be altered to allow a 568 ml "pint" size of wine to be stocked on Britain's supermarkets, pubs, clubs and restaurant for the first time.

The move, it said, that was "ever thanks to new freedoms from leaving the European Union".

The 568ml size would sit alongside the 200ml and 500ml measures already available, it said.

The department said the reforms were thanks to "new Brexit freedoms" obtained via the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023.

"Our exit from the EU was all about moments just like this, where we can seize new opportunities and provide a real boost to our great British wineries and further growing the economy," enterprise, markets and small business minister Kevin Hollinrake said.

Wow now you can order a pint of wine, what a win for Brexit.
Let's all celebrate with a glass of delicious British wine, just as soon as someone makes one.
 
On the bright side it will be possible to sell pints of champagne in the UK which is exactly the kind of forward thinking I was hoping to see.
What's wrong with British pints of fizzy piss?
 
The department also announced that rules would be altered to allow a 568 ml "pint" size of wine to be stocked on Britain's supermarkets, pubs, clubs and restaurant for the first time.

The move, it said, that was "ever thanks to new freedoms from leaving the European Union".

The 568ml size would sit alongside the 200ml and 500ml measures already available, it said.

The department said the reforms were thanks to "new Brexit freedoms" obtained via the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023.

"Our exit from the EU was all about moments just like this, where we can seize new opportunities and provide a real boost to our great British wineries and further growing the economy," enterprise, markets and small business minister Kevin Hollinrake said.

Wow now you can order a pint of wine, what a win for Brexit.

You can see it now, a global supply chain designing a new size of bottle and all associated boxes and pallet packing, to sell bottles of wine carrying a whole glass of wine less than the industry standard.
 
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Further to that the consultation this is all based on shows the following:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...on-units-of-measurement-consultation-response

What the responses said
17) The results of our analysis showed that 98.7% of respondents were in favour of using metric units when buying or selling product, either as the primary unit of sale (maintaining status quo) or as the sole unit of sale (purely metric). 1.3% of respondents were in favour of increased use of imperial units when buying or selling products, either by increased choice between using metric and imperial units or moving to a purely imperial system.

18) The breakdown of responses into the 4 categories is as follows:

Overall preferenceNumber of responsesPercentage of responses
Status quo (keep metric as primary unit of measurement)81,86781.1%
More choice (open to increased use of imperial measures)8700.9%
Purely metric (completely metric system)17,79817.6%
Purely imperial (completely imperial system)4030.4%
Total100,938100%

Certifiably stupid.