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Red in STL said:
I don't trust politicians, French or otherwise!
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I dont trust the French, politicians or otherwise!

Paul the Wolf said:


From 2015.

Imagine the poor students who studied under Minford. Insane.
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Iirc, over 90% of economists thought Brexit was a bad idea. The remainder were unsure or pro-Brexit. The pro-brexiteer economists were overrepresented because they were useful to the politicians who wanted it for their own reasons.
 
I really hope they get hit with a huge tax bill by Italy when they eventually have to sell it because of, you know, Brexit. Would love to hear more of their woes.
 
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This is just typical of the despicable DM who were at the very forefront of Brexit. Blaming the EU because we in the UK decided to leave and now blaming the EU because we are a 2nd party status to it.
But the imbeciles who are stupid enough to spend their so called hard earned cash on buying this rag will of course lap it up.
 
Buster15 said:
This is just typical of the despicable DM who were at the very forefront of Brexit. Blaming the EU because we in the UK decided to leave and now blaming the EU because we are a 2nd party status to it.
But the imbeciles who are stupid enough to spend their so called hard earned cash on buying this rag will of course lap it up.
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I've told many people about this and very few believed it would happen. We're so accustomed to our freedom of movement within Europe that people took it for granted. The Brexit lot managed to reduce the concept of Freedom of Movement down to immigration to the UK exclusively.
 
Bert_ said:
I've told many people about this and very few believed it would happen. We're so accustomed to our freedom of movement within Europe that people took it for granted. The Brexit lot managed to reduce the concept of Freedom of Movement down to immigration to the UK exclusively.
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Yes. Spot on.
 
Buster15 said:
I am delighted that they are vexed. Dim twats.
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Before Brexit we had two types of British Expats Immigrants. Those that blended in and integrated into the system and were naturally pro-EU. Then the were the others who stayed in their little communities, never integrated , never registered with the system. Most of those that didn't integrate have gradually left and gone back to the UK. Houses that belong to Brits left abandoned. Some have tried to be sold but most haven't.

Then after Brexit and Covid a new wave of Brits started buying houses. Being in a rural community and my son-in-law being a builder, we, and everyone else, know what's going on for miles around.

A lot buy the house without thinking, expecting to use it as a holiday home first and then retire later on. Most have discovered that it's not going to work out that way.

My favourite one at the moment are a couple who bought a small house for €100k in a nearby village, have spent nearly €100k doing it up, still not finished. The house will never be worth anywhere near €200k.
Originally they were going to do as use it as a holiday home and then retire later. Then after realising that they couldn't do that they said that they renovate houses and sell them on. I don't think they yet realise that the house won't be worth what they think it will even after renovation and secondly they have to pay 36% tax on any profit from the purchase price and the sales price if they sell in the first ten years. They also admitted that they voted Brexit but didn't think it applied to them. There are dozens like these fools just around this area.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Before Brexit we had two types of British Expats Immigrants. Those that blended in and integrated into the system and were naturally pro-EU. Then the were the others who stayed in their little communities, never integrated , never registered with the system. Most of those that didn't integrate have gradually left and gone back to the UK. Houses that belong to Brits left abandoned. Some have tried to be sold but most haven't.

Then after Brexit and Covid a new wave of Brits started buying houses. Being in a rural community and my son-in-law being a builder, we, and everyone else, know what's going on for miles around.

A lot buy the house without thinking, expecting to use it as a holiday home first and then retire later on. Most have discovered that it's not going to work out that way.

My favourite one at the moment are a couple who bought a small house for €100k in a nearby village, have spent nearly €100k doing it up, still not finished. The house will never be worth anywhere near €200k.
Originally they were going to do as use it as a holiday home and then retire later. Then after realising that they couldn't do that they said that they renovate houses and sell them on. I don't think they yet realise that the house won't be worth what they think it will even after renovation and secondly they have to pay 36% tax on any profit from the purchase price and the sales price if they sell in the first ten years. They also admitted that they voted Brexit but didn't think it applied to them. There are dozens like these fools just around this area.
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That is interesting. Anyone who voted for Brexit without seriously considering what that was going to mean deserves everything they get.
I really don't have anything against people who seriously considered Brexit and voted to leave knowing what that meant. We are all entitled to our opinions.
But it is those who made no attempt to even understand the basics that I am very annoyed with and just swallowed the Daily Mail headlines.
 
That was one of the main surprises is how people in the southern counties voted leave. They have easy access to France and beyond and will one day want to retire abroad but voted against the freedom they had. Not only that but immigration has jumped up massively.
 


Although you can't be more stupid than a Brexiteer, this is ridiculous.

The UK can't rejoin the Single Market in months. Do people realise what joining the single market means, they didn't before 2016 and seemingly still don't now.
The Custom's Union is just an equally if not bigger problem for the UK.

You need both and if you need both you are in the EU without a vote or say - unless you rejoin the EU completely.
 
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Shame. I was imagining them moving to Italy and inviting themselves over to meet their new neighbours @Penna and @oates . Within an hour Penna has pushed the hand flapping, overly cookie Steph into the death pit, and Greg has very quickly found out that Oates would rather cram his own head into a vice than hear about commemorate 1960 era 1/6 stamps.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Shame. I was imagining them moving to Italy and inviting themselves over to meet their new neighbours @Penna and @oates . Within an hour Penna has pushed the hand flapping, overly cookie Steph into the death pit, and Greg has very quickly found out that Oates would rather cram his own head into a vice than hear about commemorate 1960 era 1/6 stamps.
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It is a shame. We gave up the right to march all over Europe with our muddy boots on without having to take part in a war to be able to do that. I could do with a new work bench and vice just so I can look at it every now and then, and feel smug because I know you haven't got one of your own. How do I know this? Well I borrowed the last one you had.

Listen - yer man is chatting a bit of the shit here. Long story short, you can still move to Italy, fact is they love us, in many cases, many many facilities in very pretty villages have been saved by the incomer Brit. We buy their old skanky houses because we think they are charming, the Italians spend that money on new insulated technically advanced and earthquake safer homes. Happy days all round. It is harder to do then when we took our money to Italy and acted like Big Billy Bo&^ocks, but it is possible.

In fact many communities will let you have a home for virtually nothing. May need refurbing to re-building but those clever Italians want your taxed ill gotten gains, you too can own your very own 3 foot thick stone walled fortress and deeds. If anyone seriously would like to know the details please feel free to PM @Penna and she will advise. Please PM!
 
Because we were here before Brexit (and had residency), we were able to retain our pre-Brexit rights. That only applies in Italy, of course, not in any other European country.

Those Brexit voters can of course come here to retire. They'll have to apply for visas like any other non-European immigrant and it'll be so much more bureaucratic. They'll find themselves queueing up at the Questura with people from all over the world - no special treatment.
 
Penna said:
Because we were here before Brexit (and had residency), we were able to retain our pre-Brexit rights. That only applies in Italy, of course, not in any other European country.

Those Brexit voters can of course come here to retire. They'll have to apply for visas like any other non-European immigrant and it'll be so much more bureaucratic. They'll find themselves queueing up at the Questura with people from all over the world - no special treatment.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the same happen with most of the EU countries re: retain the rights but basically had to register and such like?

At the time of the vote my parents lived in Gozo/Malta, they decided to go back to Britain because of the uncertainty at the time and they didn't want to have to deal with potentially having to move back at 80+ and declining faculties, but, ultimately they could have stayed
 
Red in STL said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the same happen with most of the EU countries re: retain the rights but basically had to register and such like?

At the time of the vote my parents lived in Gozo/Malta, they decided to go back to Britain because of the uncertainty at the time and they didn't want to have to deal with potentially having to move back at 80+ and declining faculties, but, ultimately they could have stayed
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Indeed but I believe that Penna's point was that their rights were limited to Italy. If they moved to France from Italy, they wouldn't have the same rights.
 
JPRouve said:
Indeed but I believe that Penna's point was that their rights were limited to Italy. If they moved to France from Italy, they wouldn't have the same rights.
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OK so I misunderstood slightly, that makes sense though obviously not to a Brexiteer!

Here in the US I'm wondering how long it might be before going from State to State will have border controls to keep out the woke to red states and guns to blue ones!
 
Red in STL said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the same happen with most of the EU countries re: retain the rights but basically had to register and such like?

At the time of the vote my parents lived in Gozo/Malta, they decided to go back to Britain because of the uncertainty at the time and they didn't want to have to deal with potentially having to move back at 80+ and declining faculties, but, ultimately they could have stayed
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My British son-in-law (who lives next door) and has lived here for 16 years obtained a French carte de séjour which means he can live and work in France but cannot live or work in another EU country without applying for such a visa in that country. Naturally he wouldn't fulfil the criteria to get one in another country.

His wife, my daughter, has dual nationality by birth (British father/French mother). They have two boys, one was born in the UK and has dual nationality. The younger boy was born in France and only has French nationality because he was never registered in the UK.

A typical couple retiring to France would not meet the criteria to be able to live here unless they were well off.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
My British son-in-law (who lives next door) and has lived here for 16 years obtained a French carte de séjour which means he can live and work in France but cannot live or work in another EU country without applying for such a visa in that country. Naturally he wouldn't fulfil the criteria to get one in another country.

His wife, my daughter, has dual nationality by birth (British father/French mother). They have two boys, one was born in the UK and has dual nationality. The younger boy was born in France and only has French nationality because he was never registered in the UK.

A typical couple retiring to France would not meet the criteria to be able to live here unless they were well off.
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Even then they would only get a one year carte de séjour at first and wouldn't considered long term residents before a long time. And in the context of Brexit, it's not a new thing, it has been like that for as long as I have been alive.
 
JPRouve said:
Even then they would only get a one year carte de séjour at first and wouldn't considered long term residents before a long time. And in the context of Brexit, it's not a new thing, it has been like that for as long as I have been alive.
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Yes quite. My son-in-law got his easily because he owns his own business, married to a French national etc. There are still some people who were here before Brexit, applied for a carte de séjour before Brexit and still haven't got one (usually because they made an error in their application).

PS. of course before Brexit and the 90 day rule they could come and go as they pleased.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
Yes quite. My son-in-law got his easily because he owns his own business, married to a French national etc. There are still some people who were here before Brexit, applied for a carte de séjour before Brexit and still haven't got one (usually because they made an error in their application).
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For my part it won't matter, I'm staying this side of the pond, for starters I couldn't afford the UK now and maintain my current lifestyle!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Betrayed by their own stupidity and exceptionalism. Familiar story in these parts. Snigger, snigger.
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I think the article said at least one of them voted against Brexit. But buying a house without knowing the visa regulations is a bit silly.
 
Wibble said:
I think the article said at least one of them voted against Brexit. But buying a house without knowing the visa regulations is a bit silly.
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Yes, one voted to remain I believe. There was nothing stopping them buying the house and spending 90 days and then going back to the UK for 90 days and so on but they have to meet the Italian regulations to be able to live there permanently. And each country in the EU has different regulations in order to get a residence permit. (Which is astounding news to Brexiters that each EU country is sovereign and has its own laws.)
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes, one voted to remain I believe. There was nothing stopping them buying the house and spending 90 days and then going back to the UK for 90 days and so on but they have to meet the Italian regulations to be able to live there permanently. And each country in the EU has different regulations in order to get a residence permit. (Which is astounding news to Brexiters that each EU country is sovereign and has its own laws.)
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I know Italian bureaucracy can drive you insane but the need for a certain level of pension, which they don't have, seems to be fairly clear and publicly available information.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Before Brexit we had two types of British Expats Immigrants. Those that blended in and integrated into the system and were naturally pro-EU. Then the were the others who stayed in their little communities, never integrated , never registered with the system. Most of those that didn't integrate have gradually left and gone back to the UK. Houses that belong to Brits left abandoned. Some have tried to be sold but most haven't.

Then after Brexit and Covid a new wave of Brits started buying houses. Being in a rural community and my son-in-law being a builder, we, and everyone else, know what's going on for miles around.

A lot buy the house without thinking, expecting to use it as a holiday home first and then retire later on. Most have discovered that it's not going to work out that way.

My favourite one at the moment are a couple who bought a small house for €100k in a nearby village, have spent nearly €100k doing it up, still not finished. The house will never be worth anywhere near €200k.
Originally they were going to do as use it as a holiday home and then retire later. Then after realising that they couldn't do that they said that they renovate houses and sell them on. I don't think they yet realise that the house won't be worth what they think it will even after renovation and secondly they have to pay 36% tax on any profit from the purchase price and the sales price if they sell in the first ten years. They also admitted that they voted Brexit but didn't think it applied to them. There are dozens like these fools just around this area.
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Here in our village we also have a community of Brits who still call themselves "ex-pats", despite the fact that they don't own any property in the UK. They are not nice people. They take advantage of everything they can get here, they don't mix with the locals and think they're better than them. The locals here are good people, and they're not stupid. Those of us who get stuck in and embrace the way of life here are treated with great kindness. The others who want to move the Home Counties to central Italy are the real outsiders, in spite of how long they've lived here.

People voting for Brexit but thinking it wouldn't apply to them are just crazy. I assume they thought that owning a house in a European country gave you some sort of immunity. Just as you described, nothing is selling here either, so I suspect some people are well and truly stuck.
 
Penna said:
Here in our village we also have a community of Brits who still call themselves "ex-pats", despite the fact that they don't own any property in the UK. They are not nice people. They take advantage of everything they can get here, they don't mix with the locals and think they're better than them. The locals here are good people, and they're not stupid. Those of us who get stuck in and embrace the way of life here are treated with great kindness. The others who want to move the Home Counties to central Italy are the real outsiders, in spite of how long they've lived here.

People voting for Brexit but thinking it wouldn't apply to them are just crazy. I assume they thought that owning a house in a European country gave you some sort of immunity. Just as you described, nothing is selling here either, so I suspect some people are well and truly stuck.
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We had that here dotted around various villages. The Brexit benefit for us is that most of them have gone back to the UK and those 'expat' communities have disintegrated. Only those that integrated into the community and system seem to have stayed. They are gradually being replaced by Parisians who want a country home. Belgians and Dutch have always been here but now Germans, Italians, Swiss and Spanish are moving more into the area.
The locals are very welcoming to those who make the effort to be part of the community.

The Brits who did not live here before Brexit think they have the same rights as they could have had before and can't understand why they're not special but only have the same rights as people from say Cambodia, Bolivia or Mali.
 
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Wibble said:
I know Italian bureaucracy can drive you insane but the need for a certain level of pension, which they don't have, seems to be fairly clear and publicly available information.
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I don't know the Italian regulations but I would imagine it would also depend on where the person pays its taxes, what private medical insurance they have, the old system doesn't apply. Many other points they would have to satisfy including some grasp of Italian, for example. Registering their vehicle in Italy if they brought one over. Many many things. Driving Licence etc.
 
Penna said:
Here in our village we also have a community of Brits who still call themselves "ex-pats", despite the fact that they don't own any property in the UK. They are not nice people. They take advantage of everything they can get here, they don't mix with the locals and think they're better than them. The locals here are good people, and they're not stupid. Those of us who get stuck in and embrace the way of life here are treated with great kindness. The others who want to move the Home Counties to central Italy are the real outsiders, in spite of how long they've lived here.

People voting for Brexit but thinking it wouldn't apply to them are just crazy. I assume they thought that owning a house in a European country gave you some sort of immunity. Just as you described, nothing is selling here either, so I suspect some people are well and truly stuck.
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Sometimes I think that many of the British public should never be allowed out of the country, so many seem to think they are superior and entitled, a bit like a lot of Americans
 
Fully Fledged said:
That means the goods have to adhere to EU Laws rather than UK Laws. This is not the Brexit I voted for. I didn't vote for Brexit I just wanted to say that once.
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We are not buying it. Mods ban him!
 
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