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redshaw said:
1:04 onwards is the most telling thing

"whatever you think about Brexit, you've got to get on with your neighbours right"

"If you have good trading relations with your neighbours you stand a lot better chance"

We had that and had a very good seat at the table but decided to tell them to stuff it. Some wanting to bend the arm of the EU with no cards to play and others imagining this easy world trade that is logistically harder, costlier and limited. You wouldn't put up barriers to trading with the next town for produce and services, why do it for our nearest neighbours on a country level?
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Yes quite, but that was because the UK was in EU, the Single Market and the Custom's Union with the 4 freedoms.

The UK doesn't want that, both Tories and Labour have said so. They've put up the barriers.

The UK has the best deal of any country with the EU. There is no renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement. The Northern Ireland Protocol is being resolved with the Windsor Framework.
There will be a small discussion about the TCA (Trade Agreement) in 2026 but don't see it benefitting the UK much. They may gain minor admission to Horizon and Security to a very limited extent which they would have to pay for.

Talk of Trade deals with the US and any other mystery countries is back to fantasy island talk and would actually make the UK worse off like the deals with Australia/NZ.
One of the many problems but a very large problem is the Custom's Union. The red tape is not going away. Furthermore the UK have not even started inspecting imports from the EU yet.

There is no evidence from Labour or Starmer that they're any more aware of what the problems of being outside the EU are since Day 1.
 
RedChip said:
Morbid curiosity overcame me, so I watched the QT Brexit special live. Not an advert for the best of Britain.
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I watched it on iPlayer, not quite live, that wasn't a good advert for best of Britain, it wasn't even a good one for best of Essex or even just best of Clacton, it doesn't bode well for the future!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Starting at the end of next year, the road will start getting even rockier when the real Brexit comes into play. Just depends how far down the road they can put up with it. They'll probably turn back eventually as the road gets rougher.

My point isn't that there's any chance to return in the near future - just how long they want to prolong it by not acknowledging that it was an extremely bad idea (major understatement) and stop diversifying further.
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Actually, I very much doubt it, IMO there are massive changes ahead for the UK, e.g. I feel that the NI issue will be settled by the formation of some kind of interim Irish Confederation, with the disappearance of the border, and leading eventually to a fully unified Ireland. That will have all sorts of repercussions in respect of trade, economics generally, and national budgets. Similarly even if the SNP goes 'belly up', the idea of the ending of the Union will take on more significance South of the border as well as North of it, as the 'delayed' Brexit (and Covid) effects come into play more strongly.
Its possible that in a quarter of a century England and Wales are the only two 'home nations' left, in the 'UK' with Scotland and Ireland (unified) as part of the EU, incidentally both will by then probably have their own written Constitution.

Any UK government of the foreseeable future will have to keep diversifying, it may not want to, but to survive it will have to grow more, make more, enlarge the service areas for export. etc. Acknowledgement of pass mistakes such as Alistair Campbell (last night on QT) is wanting a 'sack cloth and ashes apology' he is not going to get it and even if he did it would not alter anything, nothing at all. The 'Humpty-Dumpty' version of the UK has fallen off the EU wall, and will not be able to get back on again because it will fragment even further.
An English (maybe Welsh) written constitution is long over due and will happen at some point..... this is what Brexit will probably be remembered for a hundred years from now, i.e. the catalyst that led to the break up of the UK.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
Starting at the end of next year, the road will start getting even rockier when the real Brexit comes into play. Just depends how far down the road they can put up with it. They'll probably turn back eventually as the road gets rougher.

My point isn't that there's any chance to return in the near future - just how long they want to prolong it by not acknowledging that it was an extremely bad idea (major understatement) and stop diversifying further.
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Just after Labour win the next election. Hospital pass from the Tories to Labour who are promising to make brexit work. It doesn't work. Tories blame Labour for not making it work. Tories win the election after.
 
Bert_ said:
Just after Labour win the next election. Hospital pass from the Tories to Labour who are promising to make brexit work. It doesn't work. Tories blame Labour for not making it work. Tories win the election after.
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Yes, that's how I see it. Tories will have a reset and could even come back more pro-european leaving Starmer holding the Brexit baby.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The New Zealand and Australia flags look a bit iffy too.
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Ever noticed how the Australian and New Zealand flags aren't all that original? Whoever made them was obviously in a rush since they recycled the British flag in both of them and thought we wouldn't notice. Now why would someone use our flag when creating the flag of another, alleged, "nation"?! Unless, of course, they aren't nations at all. And they were quickly made as a way to build up false evidence, as a defense against those of us who know that Australia doesn't exist and the world is flat.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Ever noticed how the Australian and New Zealand flags aren't all that original? Whoever made them was obviously in a rush since they recycled the British flag in both of them and thought we wouldn't notice. Now why would someone use our flag when creating the flag of another, alleged, "nation"?! Unless, of course, they aren't nations at all. And they were quickly made as a way to build up false evidence, as a defense against those of us who know that Australia doesn't exist and the world is flat.
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Unrelated. But also kinda related.

NZ had a flag referendum in 2015. Most voted to keep the existing flag as it had the British flag on it.

They could have had Red Peak and would have voted for it, post Brexit as they saw how small we can be.

A loss. Was a banging flag.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Peak_flag
 
Hilarious that He is actively thinking of emigrating.

that aside he’s clearly been up to something dodgy.

 
Rooney24 said:
Hilarious that He is actively thinking of emigrating.

that aside he’s clearly been up to something dodgy.

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That was my thought too. Coutts spotted something with his account they weren’t comfortable with and pulled the plug. Farage is worried they have or will report him and he’s going down the well trodden witch hunt defence.
 
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Rooney24 said:
Hilarious that He is actively thinking of emigrating.

that aside he’s clearly been up to something dodgy.

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The fact this little rat said "could foreign governments from Ukraine or China be pumping money into the accounts of corrupt politicians" :lol: .

If only there was some court to appeal to, say a human rights court of the continent to hold your government to account for legitimate grievances. I hope he physically ends in the state he has helped bring about for the UK political landscape.
 
I'd love to see that piece of shite in prison. Please, if there is any justice in this world, make it so.

I'll buy a bottle of champagne and I hate the stuff.
 
Pexbo said:
That was my thought too. Coutts spotted something with his account they weren’t comfortable with and pulled the plug. Farage is worried they have or will report him and he’s going down the well trodden witch hunt defence.
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Boringly, it might be as mundane as him not having enough money in his Coutts piggie bank. They are for what they would term "high net worth" individuals. To put numbers on it, that would be £1m+ invested or borrowed through them or £3m wandering around the account.

That said, if he's failed one of their "know your customer" tests it would explain why other banks (especially if they're linked to NatWest like Coutts) don't fancy taking over as his banker. If something has been flagged they aren't actually allowed to tell him what it is, in case it compromises other investigations - which I guess would be upsetting but it's Farage so whatever.
 
jojojo said:
Boringly, it might be as mundane as him not having enough money in his Coutts piggie bank. They are for what they would term "high net worth" individuals. To put numbers on it, that would be £1m+ invested or borrowed through them or £3m wandering around the account.

That said, if he's failed one of their "know your customer" tests it would explain why other banks (especially if they're linked to NatWest like Coutts) don't fancy taking over as his banker. If something has been flagged they aren't actually allowed to tell him what it is, in case it compromises other investigations - which I guess would be upsetting but it's Farage so whatever.
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It'll be the second point for sure. For no bank to be touching him it can only be that.

As a complete aside relating to his video the EU didn't come up with the concept of PEPs. It just shows he will spout any anti EU bollocks knowing someone will believe it or, he really has no clue what he's talking about.
 
Pexbo said:
That was my thought too. Coutts spotted something with his account they weren’t comfortable with and pulled the plug. Farage is worried they have or will report him and he’s going down the well trodden witch hunt defence.
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I am guessing the reason is an inability to explain satisfactorily the source of funds. Consultancy arrangements with opaque offshore companies, that kind of thing.
 
Dumbstar said:
It was a very naughty phone.
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Paul the Wolf said:
The most vital starting point for the UK government is to understand what has actually been voted for because it seems quite apparent that very few in the HoC actually do and a lot of the electorate believe what they are told to believe.

Starmer and Sunak both act as if they haven't a clue of how the real world actually works.

Send them on a course for a few years : First lesson : What is a custom's union and how does it work? Second lesson: Which regulations do we have to comply with in order to sell our products to other countries. Have hundreds more to follow.

Seven years from the referendum and nobody seems to have a clue.
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This is not managed by the PM this is manged by consultants, I was speaking to someone that does custom clearances for a living. They said we're really close to having our side extremely stream-lined the other side (Euro Zone) is really tied down in red tape.

They also said that it's very bad in France at then moment food prices are at 18% on average higher.

But they have low mortgage rates, so thats a plus maybe them 20 fixed rate help ;-), but they still need to slow inflation.

Need to get back on the .... Brexit... Gggrr train.
 
M16Red said:
This is not managed by the PM this is manged by consultants, I was speaking to someone that does custom clearances for a living. They said we're really close to having our side extremely stream-lined the other side (Euro Zone) is really tied down in red tape.

They also said that it's very bad in France at then moment food prices are at 18% on average higher.

But they have low mortgage rates, so thats a plus maybe them 20 fixed rate help ;-), but they still need to slow inflation.

Need to get back on the .... Brexit... Gggrr train.
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The Uk are currently doing no checks on imports from the EU. That's probably why it's streamlined . That is illegal and they're due to start in October.

Checks by EU or any other places in the world have to have all the necessary paperwork and compliances in place. Australia for example is a nightmare compared to the EU; Anywhere is.
Spent 30+ years in international trading dealing with customs practices worldwide. Some countries are great fun (not).

Of course prior to Brexit there was no need for checks between the EU and the UK.

Food prices have not gone up that much in France. Fuel went up for a while but coming down . Gas and electricity bills almost unchanged

Mortgage rates you can get fixed rates for the term of a mortgage. My daughter's mortgage is unchanged . She has about 11 years to go at the same low rate.
Also savings rates are higher here with less restrictions on withdrawals.

If and when the UK change their standards to UKCA from the CE - the fun and games will begin for goods. Plus ETIAS entry/exit system to look forward to as well.
2024-2027 will see Brexiters really wishing they hadn't voted the way they did, just softening them up at the moment.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The Uk are currently doing no checks on imports from the EU. That's probably why it's streamlined . That is illegal and they're due to start in October.

Checks by EU or any other places in the world have to have all the necessary paperwork and compliances in place. Australia for example is a nightmare compared to the EU; Anywhere is.
Spent 30+ years in international trading dealing with customs practices worldwide. Some countries are great fun (not).

Of course prior to Brexit there was no need for checks between the EU and the UK.

Food prices have not gone up that much in France. Fuel went up for a while but coming down . Gas and electricity bills almost unchanged

Mortgage rates you can get fixed rates for the term of a mortgage. My daughter's mortgage is unchanged . She has about 11 years to go at the same low rate.
Also savings rates are higher here with less restrictions on withdrawals.

If and when the UK change their standards to UKCA from the CE - the fun and games will begin for goods. Plus ETIAS entry/exit system to look forward to as well.
2024-2027 will see Brexiters really wishing they hadn't voted the way they did, just softening them up at the moment.
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What about the asteroid?
 
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