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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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MoskvaRed said:
It certainly won’t be under Truss or Starmer. Truss is understandable given her cynicism and the Tory base but I don’t get why the leader of the opposition won’t even entertain discussion about probably the biggest self-infllicted error in British history for fear of offending some morons in the Midlands and the North.
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Starmer’s MO is all about getting things done, at present that means getting in to power. If he leans even slightly in to the Rejoiner movement, or anything related to going back to the single market or customs union, Truss, the Tories and the RW media outlets will weaponise it and Truss will win the GE.

The lies of Vote Leave, the ERG and Boris have completely hamstrung him to trying to make someone else’s lie work, so all he can do is say ”Make Brexit Work”.

The problem is that it can’t, so Starmer will end up as a failure in the eyes of red wall voters and we’ll be back to the Tories.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Starmer’s MO is all about getting things done, at present that means getting in to power. If he leans even slightly in to the Rejoiner movement, or anything related to going back to the single market or customs union, Truss, the Tories and the RW media outlets will weaponise it and Truss will win the GE.

The lies of Vote Leave, the ERG and Boris have completely hamstrung him to trying to make someone else’s lie work, so all he can do is say ”Make Brexit Work”.

The problem is that it can’t, so Starmer will end up as a failure in the eyes of red wall voters and we’ll be back to the Tories.
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Sure, I understand the strategy but I would prefer leadership at a time of crisis. I’m not even sure it works - I wouldn’t vote Labour while the leader is spouting “make Brexit work” slogans and I doubt I’m alone in that view.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Sure, I understand the strategy but I would prefer leadership at a time of crisis. I’m not even sure it works - I wouldn’t vote Labour while the leader is spouting “make Brexit work” slogans and I doubt I’m alone in that view.
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I completely get that too, and I think it’s a massive oversight on his part. He’s doing this on the assumption that classic Labour voters will be ‘locked in’ especially after the last 12yrs, so he’s specifically targeting a combo of red wall voters who were duped into voting Brexit (cause you’re not going to vote for someone who’ll call you an idiot who got conned) and right leaning centrists who could sway Labour’s way given Boris’s appalling stint.

His gamble is that he’ll gain more votes that he’ll lose, I’m not so sure on that though. There are far more options for left leaving voters than for right leaning voters as more people could go Green without being embarrassed, rather than on the right where if you go further right, you start showing who you really are to people.
 
MoskvaRed said:
It certainly won’t be under Truss or Starmer. Truss is understandable given her cynicism and the Tory base but I don’t get why the leader of the opposition won’t even entertain discussion about probably the biggest self-infllicted error in British history for fear of offending some morons in the Midlands and the North.
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And most of the SE outside of London, East Anglia, SW and Wales. Wasn't all on the north and midlands.
 
Jippy said:
And most of the SE outside of London, East Anglia, SW and Wales. Wasn't all on the north and midlands.
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True (and it’s an under-reported aspect of the Brexit vote) but a lot of Southern England outside London and Bristol would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette. it’s the fear of not regaining former Labour strongholds in the Midlands, North (and Wales maybe) that is causing an obviously intelligent man to deny 2+2=4.
 
This piece simultaneously sneers at the 'liberal elite US establishment' hating Brexit, but cheers at the 'wealthy elites' and 'executives' apparently upping sticks and leaving California to come to Britain in droves. First example...Nick Clegg.

The 'global elite' is either very confused or just maybe not the hivemind that the right wing press likes to pretend when deriding those who disagree with it.

Brexit Britain is attracting American entrepreneurs, and the world’s elites can’t stand it
America’s liberal establishment loves to bash Brexit. The New York Times ran a nasty hit piece last week titled “The Fantasy of Brexit Britain is Over”, suggesting it was the departure from the EU that left the UK as “economically stagnant, socially fragmented and politically adrift”.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...racting-american-entrepreneurs-worlds-elites/
 
The DM has found one at last.

 
The Americans saw this for the catastrophe it was always going to be back in 2018.

 
MoskvaRed said:
True (and it’s an under-reported aspect of the Brexit vote) but a lot of Southern England outside London and Bristol would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette. it’s the fear of not regaining former Labour strongholds in the Midlands, North (and Wales maybe) that is causing an obviously intelligent man to deny 2+2=4.
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But what is achieved by calling it out for what it is? Especially when you're in opposition too.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
But what is achieved by calling it out for what it is? Especially when you're in opposition too.
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I’m not expecting Labour to start calling people idiots but some leadership, some acknowledgement that Brexit is making things worse would be nice. Even Liz Truss has now been heard on that secret recording acknowledging that the whole Brexit/immigration issue was a simplification of problems with much deeper-lying causes (not that I agree with her laziness theory…).
 
MoskvaRed said:
I’m not expecting Labour to start calling people idiots but some leadership, some acknowledgement that Brexit is making things worse would be nice. Even Liz Truss has now been heard on that secret recording acknowledging that the whole Brexit/immigration issue was a simplification of problems with much deeper-lying causes (not that I agree with her laziness theory…).
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It does get called out at times. Maybe not directly but ive defo seen it referenced on Prime Minister Questions in the past when referencing/debating different topics.

I think the problem is more the english politicians because it was mainly England/Wales that voted for it so they don't want to alienate potential voters. Scottish and NI politicians though are alot more direct and say it how it is.
 
Truss is told by an audience member that one of the major benefits of Brexit was meant to be free trade and is asked whether she is a free trader or a protectionist.

She replies she is a free trader and has “scars on my back” from battles in Whitehall to get the Australian deal through


The deal that isn't through yet.

Civil servants beg Liz Truss not to conclude such an awful deal. But she fought them off!
 
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