It'll be fine in time. No need to panic.
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We don't know what will happen yet. It's just guesswork up to now. I'm sure all the papers will make different guesses at various points over the next year or two.
Seriously why do you think that?
Every single group be it the EU, be it the markets, be it the US, be it traders, be it big business is rejecting the right wing extremism and comment of this govt?
Please explain how it is going to be fine because it clearly isn't?
So potential causes: technical glitch, human error or a François Hollande speech
I'd go for the middle one, those who voted Leave
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People don't know how it will turn out. No-one does. Give it time instead of panicking every 10 seconds at the slightest thing.
Not everyone is rejecting the government policies at all.
Not everyone is rejecting the government policies at all.
All of this hassl e so you can buy a high power vacuum cleaner
Nah, Dyson make powerful vacs even with the EU ruling. Mine's just brilliant with great suction.
About sums it up. The views of those who have first hand experience of UK immigration are pretty much ignored. Why bother letting fact blur rhetoric.
Under public procurement rules for services: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-sector-procurement-policy
Quote from the government national archives:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citizenship/brave_new_world/immigration.htm
In the 21st century, Britain is a multi-racial society. The huge contributions made by the various immigrant communities to Britain's economic and social development since the Second World War are now widely recognised. Their role in creating a more diverse and tolerant society is indisputable.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citizenship/brave_new_world/immigration.htm
In the 21st century, Britain is a multi-racial society. The huge contributions made by the various immigrant communities to Britain's economic and social development since the Second World War are now widely recognised. Their role in creating a more diverse and tolerant society is indisputable.
Not entirely true. Businesses and those that benefit from immigration are shouting loudly and getting listened to.
My sector - universities - have direct lines to government departments.
Which really, if you think about it, just underscores the divides which have grown in the UK between communities and groups of people in the last 30 years.
In all likelihood Brexit means I will be out of a job in a few years. Yet that has to be balanced against the people in the UK who would have been out of a job in a few years if we had remained in the EU.
None of this is meant to pass judgment on what you said, by the way. It is more an explanation of why I will be fighting for a soft Brexit and as little change to immigration rules for EU citizens and high skilled migrants to the UK.
UK people lived and studied in the EU countries before we became integrated into the EU, that won't stop. I think it will be a soft brexit, it's not in the UK's or the EU's interest to do it any other way.
Allowing uncontrolled immigration from the EU is the number one issue, rightly or wrongly.
I much doubt we'll see a soft Brexit
I disagree, as much as the EU wants to discourage other countries leaving it's not in their best interest to start a trade war. The UK will have to pay some pice to get back control of it's borders and immigration, but it won't be extreme as we import far too much from the EU to make them cut off their nose to spite their face.
The eu is not 1 country but is made of 27 countries all armed with a veto. A big chunk of it barely do any business with the uk and hold their freedom of movement very dearly. Why on earth would they vote against their interest?
Theres a reason why may is flirting with hard brexit and merkel is insisting on the no freedom of movement = no access to the single market ie they both have no choice. The eu is not the uk were scotland and north ireland have no real say in such affair. If a country is not happy by brexit it will use its veto and theres plenty of countries who are not happy losing their freedom of movement
I feel the same way. After the last two years, I would have been very happy settling in England and settling into a career in the university sector. In about a 6 month period, the chances of that happening have dropped to more or less zero and this whole foreigner job registration thing has dropped right in the middle of me being processed for new jobs. Not interested now.
It totally depends on what the UK wants, if they want to be members of the single market, they will have to pay and accept its rules but if they dont want to be members of the single market we will find tariffs acceptable for both parts maybe 12%-15%.
you really think that the EU will stop trading with the UK?
I don't think the UK want to be a member of the single market at all, just have the same access to the single market in the way other countries around the world have access.
Not allowing them access in the same way as others would be a form of discrimination would it not.
I think the uk will lose free unrestricted access to the single market and tarriffs on both sides will come to play. We are heading towards a nasty divorce
That means losing financial passporting and probably the automobile sector
12-15%That's BMW and AUdi fecked
Only it's not 12-15% and with the feckin basket case pound that number is falling rapidly. We have literally no cards to play, if you think we do just name them?
Financial passporting rights is the key to everything, without it the UK is a basket case.
12-15%
Well, you don't really intend to produce the same quality of cars anytime soon, so Audi and BMW are fine.
20% VAT it is then.
There will be a relatively small tariff, it's not in either party's interest to do anything else. Please tell me different?
Doubt that Merkel wants to make her situation any worse than it is by making a load of German car workers redundant.
I'll tell you there won't be, the EU want to cast the UK adrift and believe it or not we aren't a power house, in fact we are nothing.
Take your nationalistic head off and look at the real world.
Really? You need a closer look.
Duty for cars imported from outside the EU to the UK is currently 10%
Yep so the UK wants it's own path, and it's now fecked? Jog on. The UK is a massive net importer, not sure what part of that is so difficult to understand.
Or loss of trade to the UK.
It's like any "divorce". If both parties act in a sensible mature way then all will be well for both parties. If one party acts in a puerile way then nobody benefits, which is another way of saying that everyone loses.
Meanwhile in Ireland....
That soft border was in place for good reason and, given Ireland is an EU member, a hard brexit carries threat for the EU beyond the obvious financial implications.
Fears mount in Ireland over post-Brexit ‘hard border’
Sharp divisions emerge among political leaders after legal challenge to EU exit gets under way
Sharp divisions have emerged among Northern Ireland’s political leaders, and between Belfast and Dublin, as the threat of a “hard” border on the island of Ireland emerges after the UK’s vote to leave the EU.
The disagreements came into the open this week after the Irish government announced it would establish an “all-island civic dialogue” to meet in Dublin next month to enable “the widest possible conversation on the implications of the referendum result for Ireland north and south and for north/south relations”.
They were also evident in the polarised political backing for a legal challenge to Brexit that got under way in a Belfast court on Tuesday. The challenge is based on the view that Northern Ireland has a veto over any change to its constitutional position following devolution and the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.
If and when the UK leaves the EU, the Irish border will become its only land frontier with the bloc. It was one of the most heavily fortified frontiers in Europe during the Troubles, but has in effect disappeared for all practical purposes during the past two decades. But with conflicting signals from London — and with the EU likely to have a big say in the matter — the Irish government is increasingly frustrated at the prospect of a new border undermining the political progress in Northern Ireland of the past few years.
Some 56 per cent of voters in Northern Ireland backed the Remain camp in the June referendum, with 44 per cent voting to leave. The Democratic Unionist party, the province’s largest political faction, backed the Leave campaign. All the other parties advocated Remain, and are now agitating against a “hard Brexit”, the course increasingly being adopted by Theresa May, the UK prime minister.
“The message we sent to Theresa May and her band of Brexiters [in the referendum] is that we do not consent and we will not consent to being taken out of Europe against the will of our people,” says Colum Eastwood, leader of Northern Ireland’s centrist Social Democratic and Labour party, which backs the legal challenge. The case was continuing in the High Court in Belfast on Wednesday.
The SDLP and Sinn Féin, the main Irish nationalist party in the north, say they will attend the civic dialogue on November 2. The event is expected to include business and trade union representatives, cross-border bodies and non-governmental organisations. The DUP and the rival Ulster Unionist party have rejected the initiative, illustrating the difficult task that the Irish government faces in securing any all-island approach to Brexit.
The British and Irish governments say they want to protect existing arrangements between north and south, which includes full freedom of movement and about €3bn of trade across the border each year.
James Brokenshire, the UK’s Northern Ireland secretary, said at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham this week that the UK government “will work to ensure that Northern Ireland’s unique interests are protected and advanced”.
Irish officials, however, say they have diminishing faith in such reassurances until the nature of the UK’s departure from the EU becomes clear. In the meantime, Enda Kenny, the Irish prime minister, is battling to convince a sceptical public that the government can address the threats of Brexit. These include not just the border question but disruption to trade between Ireland and Britain, which amounts to more than €1bn a week, and the possible ending of the common travel area.
“There’s a lot more work going on here than you realise,” he told the Irish parliament this week.
https://www.ft.com/content/56f62810-8afd-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1
Sharp divisions emerge among political leaders after legal challenge to EU exit gets under way
Sharp divisions have emerged among Northern Ireland’s political leaders, and between Belfast and Dublin, as the threat of a “hard” border on the island of Ireland emerges after the UK’s vote to leave the EU.
The disagreements came into the open this week after the Irish government announced it would establish an “all-island civic dialogue” to meet in Dublin next month to enable “the widest possible conversation on the implications of the referendum result for Ireland north and south and for north/south relations”.
They were also evident in the polarised political backing for a legal challenge to Brexit that got under way in a Belfast court on Tuesday. The challenge is based on the view that Northern Ireland has a veto over any change to its constitutional position following devolution and the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.
If and when the UK leaves the EU, the Irish border will become its only land frontier with the bloc. It was one of the most heavily fortified frontiers in Europe during the Troubles, but has in effect disappeared for all practical purposes during the past two decades. But with conflicting signals from London — and with the EU likely to have a big say in the matter — the Irish government is increasingly frustrated at the prospect of a new border undermining the political progress in Northern Ireland of the past few years.
Some 56 per cent of voters in Northern Ireland backed the Remain camp in the June referendum, with 44 per cent voting to leave. The Democratic Unionist party, the province’s largest political faction, backed the Leave campaign. All the other parties advocated Remain, and are now agitating against a “hard Brexit”, the course increasingly being adopted by Theresa May, the UK prime minister.
“The message we sent to Theresa May and her band of Brexiters [in the referendum] is that we do not consent and we will not consent to being taken out of Europe against the will of our people,” says Colum Eastwood, leader of Northern Ireland’s centrist Social Democratic and Labour party, which backs the legal challenge. The case was continuing in the High Court in Belfast on Wednesday.
The SDLP and Sinn Féin, the main Irish nationalist party in the north, say they will attend the civic dialogue on November 2. The event is expected to include business and trade union representatives, cross-border bodies and non-governmental organisations. The DUP and the rival Ulster Unionist party have rejected the initiative, illustrating the difficult task that the Irish government faces in securing any all-island approach to Brexit.
The British and Irish governments say they want to protect existing arrangements between north and south, which includes full freedom of movement and about €3bn of trade across the border each year.
James Brokenshire, the UK’s Northern Ireland secretary, said at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham this week that the UK government “will work to ensure that Northern Ireland’s unique interests are protected and advanced”.
Irish officials, however, say they have diminishing faith in such reassurances until the nature of the UK’s departure from the EU becomes clear. In the meantime, Enda Kenny, the Irish prime minister, is battling to convince a sceptical public that the government can address the threats of Brexit. These include not just the border question but disruption to trade between Ireland and Britain, which amounts to more than €1bn a week, and the possible ending of the common travel area.
“There’s a lot more work going on here than you realise,” he told the Irish parliament this week.
https://www.ft.com/content/56f62810-8afd-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1
That soft border was in place for good reason and, given Ireland is an EU member, a hard brexit carries threat for the EU beyond the obvious financial implications.
Seems like there will be a big opportunity to export to the UK sand to bury one's head in and wheelbarrows for the £1000 notes
Rest assured that will not happen if Merkel and the EU start playing silly sods with the UK. If you think otherwise you don't know your country very well.
#restrictionsonforeignsand
The biggest issue will be financial passporting, which the UK will lose once outside the single market. Such disadvantage will remain even after the UK has managed to make a deal with WTO (which is far from straightforward, to start negotiation process the UK must be out of the EU and the process can last years. There's also plenty of countries in the WTO who doesn't like you very much too).
Get your toys out of the pram you big baby. We are nothing? WTF planet are you on?