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4bars said:
You are a migrant worker

- There is a shortage on your position all across Europe
- Countries like Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Luxembourg have the same or higher wages than the UK
- Language is not a factor as is barely needed or even your mother tongue is closer to other countries (latin, germanic, nordic languages)
- You are a EU citizen:
*Your condition is more stable on this countries as you are free to work with whoever you want without depending on a special visa (probably temporarily and tied to a company)
*As a EU citizen you have an assured safety net in case of unemployment and health care if you don't have a work.
*More likely you will not get kicked out of the country if you remain more than 3 month unemployed (though it could happen)
* risk to get chucked out if you are not needed any more
* racism picker up during the brexit debate

Why the feck you would decide to go to the UK? it doesn't make any sense.
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Don't forget from the first of October they need a passport as well to enter the UK, another cost. Plus welcomed by Priti Patel. The only drivers who would go would be those who can't get a job in the EU, why couldn't they get a job, because they're not very good, possibly ?

Anyway Labour and Starmer have got the answer, maybe they can bring some unicorns with them.

  • He suggested the government might have to grant visas to 100,000 foreign lorry drivers, not just the 5,000 planned by ministers. He said:
On the HGV situation we are going to have to bring in more drivers and more visas. I’m astonished the government, knowing the situation, is not acting today. The prime minister needs to say today what he is going to do.
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Asked if he would bring in 100,000 foreign drivers, Starmer said:

We are going to have to do that. We have to issue enough visas to cover the number of drivers that we need.
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There is no hope!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Don't forget from the first of October they need a passport as well to enter the UK, another cost. Plus welcomed by Priti Patel. The only drivers who would go would be those who can't get a job in the EU, why couldn't they get a job, because they're not very good, possibly ?

Anyway Labour and Starmer have got the answer, maybe they can bring some unicorns with them.

  • He suggested the government might have to grant visas to 100,000 foreign lorry drivers, not just the 5,000 planned by ministers. He said:

Asked if he would bring in 100,000 foreign drivers, Starmer said:



There is no hope!
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Here Paul, here's a link to dozens of articles in Dutch saying we are thousands of drivers short, is that because of brexit?

https://www.google.com/search?q=vra...LjGYAQCgAQGgAQWwAQ8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
 
Stanley Road said:
Here Paul, here's a link to dozens of articles in Dutch saying we are thousands of drivers short, is that because of brexit?

https://www.google.com/search?q=vra...LjGYAQCgAQGgAQWwAQ8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
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All countries are short of drivers and have been for many years. No-one is disputing this. But EU countries do not have the problems the UK has.
Not only does the UK have a shortage of drivers they can no longer do cabotage in Europe which is why you don't see any British lorries down where I live. The can do one delivery and go back;

EU drivers/lorries can tour round Europe picking up loads and dropping them off on the way. So if NL has a shortage of drivers and a Lithuanian lorry on its way through to Germany from France as an example can pick up a load in Breda drop it in Rotterdam, pick up a load, drop it in Amsterdam, pick up another load drop it in Hamburg and so on. The Lithuanian driver doesn't need a passport or a visa.
This is what happened pre-brexit in the UK, doesn't happen much now.
 
In terms of how Brexit has affected me personally, I would have to say not so I'd notice.

Of course being retired means you are out of the main stream, although just recently I have been contacted by a number of people/companies I use to deal with over ten years ago, at that time I had my own business involved in Training Programming of various sorts, for various companies. They are all now seeking my help in providing training for new employees. The majority of these people haven't trained anybody for years (which help explains why they are still using my number as a contact for training!) and the single most common factor is that their pool of cheap skilled labour has dried up, mainly as people return home to countries in the EU. Some of this was of course affected by Covid related issues, but of those I've spoken to, most say it was beginning with Brexit.

It would appear they are now revisiting their payment levels/scales and broadly this amounts to having to up their wages/salary levels and offer free training; not just to new recruits, but for some companies also to all employees under the age of thirty five they are offering to support a 'continuous training' programme based on personal aspirations. Presumably to try and keep people they train.

Anything that gets companies reinvesting in their locally sources people/workforce and not having to rely on Government handouts, means a brighter future...viva Brexit!

Almost makes me want to return to the fray.... but on second thoughts with steel hips and a pacemaker in place better not!
 
Stanley Road said:
So you take your 1 massive job, dump it in NL and European drivers can distribute it
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Yes but within the UK if there was delivery from somewhere in Europe to a city in the Uk, the driver could drive between different UK cities and then go out back again.
After Brexit the Uk is no longer in the EU, one thing he's going to get stuck at customs and have all this paperwork to get through customs for anything that crosses the border.
Some time next year, when the UK do decide to "take back control of their borders" they will be held up going in and going out. Why would they waste their time in the UK. There's plenty of work without complications in the EU.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes but within the UK if there was delivery from somewhere in Europe to a city in the Uk, the driver could drive between different UK cities and then go out back again.
After Brexit the Uk is no longer in the EU, one thing he's going to get stuck at customs and have all this paperwork to get through customs for anything that crosses the border.
Some time next year, when the UK do decide to "take back control of their borders" they will be held up going in and going out. Why would they waste their time in the UK. There's plenty of work without complications in the EU.
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Introducing SOX into the workplace also causes inconveniences and security checks, it doesn't mean the company stops doing business, we just do it another way.
 
Stanley Road said:
Introducing SOX into the workplace also causes inconveniences and security checks, it doesn't mean the company stops doing business, we just do it another way.
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Time is money. If SOX only applies to your company and its costs time and money then they'll avoid using your company and use a company that doesn't have to use SOX.
 
Stanley Road said:
All listed companies on the US stock exchange have to be compliant to trade
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I know , what I mean is that the UK is now following different regulations than the EU, which is adding more expense, more bureaucracy, more delays etc which being in the EU avoided. GB is no longer in the customs union or the single market and one of the many consequences of voting for that is what is happening now. I must confess I thought the real problems would take a little longer to take such an effect, the problem is that they are going to get worse as more grace periods ending kick in.

Of course Lord dildo Frost could still break the NI protocol and start a trade war and make things ten times worse.
 
Maticmaker said:
In terms of how Brexit has affected me personally, I would have to say not so I'd notice.

Of course being retired means you are out of the main stream, although just recently I have been contacted by a number of people/companies I use to deal with over ten years ago, at that time I had my own business involved in Training Programming of various sorts, for various companies. They are all now seeking my help in providing training for new employees. The majority of these people haven't trained anybody for years (which help explains why they are still using my number as a contact for training!) and the single most common factor is that their pool of cheap skilled labour has dried up, mainly as people return home to countries in the EU. Some of this was of course affected by Covid related issues, but of those I've spoken to, most say it was beginning with Brexit.

It would appear they are now revisiting their payment levels/scales and broadly this amounts to having to up their wages/salary levels and offer free training; not just to new recruits, but for some companies also to all employees under the age of thirty five they are offering to support a 'continuous training' programme based on personal aspirations. Presumably to try and keep people they train.

Anything that gets companies reinvesting in their locally sources people/workforce and not having to rely on Government handouts, means a brighter future...viva Brexit!

Almost makes me want to return to the fray.... but on second thoughts with steel hips and a pacemaker in place better not!
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As someone who runs an 8 figure turnover business I'd agree.

Supply chains have been really challenging over the last 16-17 months but it's been equally challenging with suppliers outside of the EU compared with inside. Shortages of materials due to higher demand and lower supply have caused massive cost inflation. Likewise the container cost increasing by an order of magnitude (although a byproduct is making UK products more competitive).

Labour is harder to come by nowadays but in fairness this has been a positive for us. Our factory (45 guys) is quite a tight knit group and we've been able to increase salaries at the lower end without ceding a competitive advantage (as our competitors are either doing likewise or not meeting customer demand).

Effectively we're in a position I've not seen before, which is large growth in EBITDA (by far a group record) whilst also implementing larger than inflationary pay rises (particularly at the lower end). Our order book is also at a record high.

It's also nice to be in a market where customers are looking at more than just price. Contractors are now as interested in security of supply and your ability to be dynamic to changing delivery programs. Our competitors who shut down last Spring, were slow to increase stock levels last Summer and whom simply blamed their supply chain when they couldn't keep up with site demands have lost market share.

It's also not awful for a company with £3m of stock to see 35% material inflation.

Electricity prices are challenging but along with the super deduction it's given us the impetus to give the preliminary go ahead for £500k in solar panels.

Truth be told the only major byproduct that I have been able to attribute to Brexit thus far is our industry paying 10% more for lower skilled workers due to lower supply.
 
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...government-measures-to-ease-risk-of-shortages

Alongside this, 5,000 HGV drivers will be able to come to the UK for 3 months in the run-up to Christmas, providing short-term relief for the haulage industry. A further 5,500 visas for poultry workers will also be made available for the same short period, to avoid any potential further pressures on the food industry during this exceptional period.

Recruitment for additional short-term HGV drivers and poultry workers will begin in October and these visas will be valid until 24 December 2021. UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) are preparing to process the required visa applications, once made, in a timely manner.

Surprise. You can work till Xmas Eve and then p!ss off!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...government-measures-to-ease-risk-of-shortages

Alongside this, 5,000 HGV drivers will be able to come to the UK for 3 months in the run-up to Christmas, providing short-term relief for the haulage industry. A further 5,500 visas for poultry workers will also be made available for the same short period, to avoid any potential further pressures on the food industry during this exceptional period.

Recruitment for additional short-term HGV drivers and poultry workers will begin in October and these visas will be valid until 24 December 2021. UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) are preparing to process the required visa applications, once made, in a timely manner.

Surprise. You can work till Xmas Eve and then p!ss off!
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They don't have to come, some may not want these terms
 
Stanley Road said:
They don't have to come, some may not want these terms
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They'd have to be pretty desperate. At the speed their applications are processed they may be ready to come by 23rd December, then find some accommodation.
What happens if they're still on British soil on Xmas Day. Deported to Stalag Sh!thole on the Falkland Islands?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
They'd have to be pretty desperate. At the speed their applications are processed they may be ready to come by 23rd December, then find some accommodation.
What happens if they're still on British soil on Xmas Day. Deported to Stalag Sh!thole on the Falkland Islands?
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You're being over pessimistic as usual, things will work out, they always do.
 
Just back from a holiday in Edinburgh for the last week and barely made it home fuel wise. Warning light came on just before Gloucester so we came off the M5 looking for fuel and drove to 5/6 different stations which were all shut. I usually comfortably get 50 miles off the warning light so felt OK risking the ~40 miles back to Bristol but got cold feet when I started doing it as it was dark and it suddenly felt really fecking stupid risking having to pull on to the hard shoulder on the motorway rather than sit in a service station trying to figure something out.

Fortunately the service station we pulled into (Cheltenham) wasn’t operating an HGV only rule so I put in half a tank at £1.60 and drove home with a thoroughly sore bum hole.

feck Brexit.
 
I’m struggling to find fuel around my local fuel stations. Not sure how I’ll get to work :lol:
 
Paul the Wolf said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...government-measures-to-ease-risk-of-shortages

Alongside this, 5,000 HGV drivers will be able to come to the UK for 3 months in the run-up to Christmas, providing short-term relief for the haulage industry. A further 5,500 visas for poultry workers will also be made available for the same short period, to avoid any potential further pressures on the food industry during this exceptional period.

Recruitment for additional short-term HGV drivers and poultry workers will begin in October and these visas will be valid until 24 December 2021. UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) are preparing to process the required visa applications, once made, in a timely manner.

Surprise. You can work till Xmas Eve and then p!ss off!
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Just can't see the government proposals working. Why would someone leave their present jobs and travel the UK on a temporary 6-month visa with all the implications of looking for accommodation leaving their families and then return back?

Do policymakers think these decisions through?
 
Sultan said:
Just can't see the government proposals working. Why would someone leave their present jobs and travel the UK on a temporary 6-month visa with all the implications of looking for accommodation leaving their families and then return back?

Do policymakers think these decisions through?
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Particularly when we are talking about a profession that is highly needed in all major EU countries and most drivers are employed, it would be risky to leave your company for a short term offer.
 
Costing petrol stations around £600.00 to 1000.00 in salaries a day on each site as they sit idly waiting for tankers to arrive. The companies are not even answering their phones from angry forecourt operators. If this lasts long I can predict some permanent closures.
 
Sultan said:
Just can't see the government proposals working. Why would someone leave their present jobs and travel the UK on a temporary 6-month visa with all the implications of looking for accommodation leaving their families and then return back?

Do policymakers think these decisions through?
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It's not even a 3 months visa, it's date specific , gone by 24th December even if you arrive the day before. Don't want to upset the Brexiters and the government praying the problems have gone away. Oh well.
 
JPRouve said:
Particularly when we are talking about a profession that is highly needed in all major EU countries and most drivers are employed, it would be risky to leave your company for a short term offer.
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The best outcome for EU populations and politicians who were contemplating leaving the Union will now have second thoughts and could make the Union stronger.
 
I wonder what the outcome would be if there was a poll to assess public opinion on Brexit?
 
Sultan said:
I wonder what the outcome would be if there was a poll to assess public opinion on Brexit?
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If you had a Brexit vote now, continue as we mean to go on or reverse everything back to 2016 I think it would be comfortably 60%+ in favour of remain. That’s what I’d expect a real vote on it to achieve.

If you could somehow extract the truth out of everyone with a “are you better off in or out” style vote it would be 75%+ remain.

I think the 2019 election as well was thoroughly built on “just get on with it and get it over” with no real thought of the consequences. Now those consequences are known I’d be interested in how those people are feeling now.


“Strong and stable Conservative government or Jeremy Corbyn’s coalition of chaos”
 
Pexbo said:
Just back from a holiday in Edinburgh for the last week and barely made it home fuel wise. Warning light came on just before Gloucester so we came off the M5 looking for fuel and drove to 5/6 different stations which were all shut. I usually comfortably get 50 miles off the warning light so felt OK risking the ~40 miles back to Bristol but got cold feet when I started doing it as it was dark and it suddenly felt really fecking stupid risking having to pull on to the hard shoulder on the motorway rather than sit in a service station trying to figure something out.

Fortunately the service station we pulled into (Cheltenham) wasn’t operating an HGV only rule so I put in half a tank at £1.60 and drove home with a thoroughly sore bum hole.

feck Brexit.
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I usually put the nozzle into the car.
 
Pexbo said:
If you had a Brexit vote now, continue as we mean to go on or reverse everything back to 2016 I think it would be comfortably 60%+ in favour of remain. That’s what I’d expect a real vote on it to achieve.

If you could somehow extract the truth out of everyone with a “are you better off in or out” style vote it would be 75%+ remain.

I think the 2019 election as well was thoroughly built on “just get on with it and get it over” with no real thought of the consequences. Now those consequences are known I’d be interested in how those people are feeling now.


“Strong and stable Conservative government or Jeremy Corbyn’s coalition of chaos”
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I'm not sure where you live and work but as someone who works and employs several dozen people in West Bromwich (who voted 68% to leave) I can categorically say that they would vote to leave in greater numbers if another vote were to occur.

I think this is the mistake people made the first time. They assume that the greater the pro-EU viewpoint is held in their circles the more chance that their viewpoint is held in all circles. If their viewpoint becomes more pro-EU that this view has to be reflected countrywide.

In fact I'd argue the opposite is true. I genuinely believe that the more pro-EU the people who voted to remain get; not only the more pro-Brexit their adversaries get; but the more the people who were wavering would tend to favour the now not so scary alternative.

Especially when they see their wages having grown by 10% for the first time since Blair changed the game.
 
finneh said:
I'm not sure where you live and work but as someone who works and employs several dozen people in West Bromwich (who voted 68% to leave) I can categorically say that they would vote to leave in greater numbers if another vote were to occur.

I think this is the mistake people made the first time. They assume that the greater the pro-EU viewpoint is held in their circles the more chance that their viewpoint is held in all circles. If their viewpoint becomes more pro-EU that this view has to be reflected countrywide.

In fact I'd argue the opposite is true. I genuinely believe that the more pro-EU the people who voted to remain get; not only the more pro-Brexit their adversaries get; but the more the people who were wavering would tend to favour the now not so scary alternative.

Especially when they see their wages having grown by 10% for the first time since Blair changed the game.
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So you think people are seeing these food and gas shortages and thinking it’s worth carrying on? Are people seriously that daft?
 
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