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Why aren't haulage companies an option or is that covered in "the public"? Not saying they're completely to blame but the people running an industry and the decisions they make might have something to do with that industry attracting enough workers or not.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
33% blame the last Labour government!?!?!?!?! What the feck have they been smocking???
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Well its because some of us remember the shortage of HGV drivers was being flagged up then, the average age and the numbers training in the UK was the worst in the EU and pointed to a shortage in the future. The last Labour government did nothing, the Tory Governments since have done nothing and only certain stand out logistics companies tried to get round it by selective recruitment drives in the EU, which brought in more drivers but kept wages/working conditions down.
Then Covid and Brexit produced the perfect storm, so there we have it... but shortages did really get flagged up on Labour's last watch!
 
Just doesn't really seem worth it.

I've got an unskilled job for £9.10 an hour, £10 if I worked nights. Before I got that this year I hadn't worked in a very long time.

I'm not away from home like some drivers are, don't have to put in the long hours, don't have to have licenses/qualifications, don't have to comply with as much regulation, am unlikely to kill people if I make a mistake, don't have bosses pressing me to keep time whilst driving economically too etc. and I'm not far off earning what they do.

I also get £18.20 an hour an bank holidays so I'm ahead there.
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Chipper said:
Just doesn't really seem worth it.

I've got an unskilled job for £9.10 an hour, £10 if I worked nights. Before I got that this year I hadn't worked in a very long time.

I'm not away from home like some drivers are, don't have to put in the long hours, don't have to have licenses/qualifications, don't have to comply with as much regulation, am unlikely to kill people if I make a mistake, don't have bosses pressing me to keep time whilst driving economically too etc. and I'm not far off earning what they do.
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I'd probably check the latest rates which seem to be around £15-16 per hour for a class 1 day driver (£17-18 per hour for nights and around £21 for long haul)

https://mydrive.eddiestobart.com/ce...600657D0A58FF3D160D6&WVID=5581493USN&LANG=USA
 
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Chipper said:
Just doesn't really seem worth it.

I've got an unskilled job for £9.10 an hour, £10 if I worked nights. Before I got that this year I hadn't worked in a very long time.

I'm not away from home like some drivers are, don't have to put in the long hours, don't have to have licenses/qualifications, don't have to comply with as much regulation, am unlikely to kill people if I make a mistake, don't have bosses pressing me to keep time whilst driving economically too etc. and I'm not far off earning what they do.

I also get £18.20 an hour an bank holidays so I'm ahead there.
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I love the handwritten message to Brexit voters
 
finneh said:
I'd probably check the latest rates which seem to be around £15-16 per hour for a class 1 day driver (£17-18 per hour for nights)

https://mydrive.eddiestobart.com/ce...600657D0A58FF3D160D6&WVID=5581493USN&LANG=USA
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I'm just getting a white screen when I click that link, not sure what gives but I have no reason to doubt you.

What do we think then? The pic I posted that I've seen a few times on social media is fake or have they had to put up their rates due to the shortage?

If they've had to start paying more then that could be seen as a good thing to me if the drivers are getting something more like what I at least feel represents their skill and levels of responsibility.

Of course there's always consumer demand for cheap goods and I'm part of that too so the more it costs to move shit, prices may have to go up and it's where we find the balance. Some companies did very well during lockdown so they should in theory be able to swallow it without prices being impacted one would have thought. I'm looking at supermarkets/Amazon/other online stores etc.
 
Why would a truck driver leave a full-time position in e.g. the EU for a short-term one in the UK. It sounds like there's a shortage of drivers everywhere, so if you want work on the industry why go for the short-term option?
Of course a very high wage might convince people but then it'd have to be really well paid.
 
Chipper said:
I'm just getting a white screen when I click that link, not sure what gives but I have no reason to doubt you.

What do we think then? The pic I posted that I've seen a few times on social media is fake or have they had to put up their rates due to the shortage?

If they've had to start paying more then that could be seen as a good thing to me if the drivers are getting something more like what I at least feel represents their skill and levels of responsibility.

Of course there's always consumer demand for cheap goods and I'm part of that too so the more it costs to move shit, prices may have to go up and it's where we find the balance. Some companies did very well during lockdown so they should in theory be able to swallow it without prices being impacted one would have thought. I'm looking at supermarkets/Amazon/other online stores etc.
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It's definitely pay inflation due to shortages. It's happening across the country in our sector (and many others) particularly for lesser skilled workers.

We've upped our HGV salaries from £10 to £13 also (class 2 rather than class 1) in the last 6 months.
 
Maticmaker said:
Well its because some of us remember the shortage of HGV drivers was being flagged up then, the average age and the numbers training in the UK was the worst in the EU and pointed to a shortage in the future. The last Labour government did nothing, the Tory Governments since have done nothing and only certain stand out logistics companies tried to get round it by selective recruitment drives in the EU, which brought in more drivers but kept wages/working conditions down.
Then Covid and Brexit produced the perfect storm, so there we have it... but shortages did really get flagged up on Labour's last watch!
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It reaches a point where you can’t keep going back until you find a government of your choosing to pin the blame on. The Tories have had 12 years in power, so frankly there’s very little they are not accountable for. You’re really clutching if you think Labour are somehow responsible for the current shortage of HGV drivers.
 
Toblerone92 said:
It reaches a point where you can’t keep going back until you find a government of your choosing to pin the blame on. The Tories have had 12 years in power, so frankly there’s very little they are not accountable for. You’re really clutching if you think Labour are somehow responsible for the current shortage of HGV drivers.
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It would be laughable if it wasn't so depressing. The right wing press forcing the message home daily that despite only being in power 5% of the time, Labour is still somehow responsible for 95% of the country's problems. You keep seeing them spout the same line about 'Boris is personally intervening', trying to make him sound engaged and some man of action saviour, rather than the inept tosser spearheading this shitshow.

Most people are idiots unfortunately and collectively they're even worse.
 
Has anyone spoken to a leave voter about this? They're still coming up with excuses. Apparently there's a shortage of truck drivers in a number of EU countries so it's definitely not Brexit that has contributed to this.

It's also just shown that the foreign drivers were keeping the wages down, which has caused the issue now.
 
VeevaVee said:
Has anyone spoken to a leave voter about this? They're still coming up with excuses. Apparently there's a shortage of truck drivers in a number of EU countries so it's definitely not Brexit that has contributed to this.

It's also just shown that the foreign drivers were keeping the wages down, which has caused the issue now.
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DVLA is getting the blame
 
Pro-Brexit Retail Boss Calls for Relaxing Immigration Rules


(Bloomberg) -- The chief executive officer of Next Plc warned of possible further supply chain problems in the run-up to Christmas if the U.K. doesn’t relax some post-Brexit immigration rules and allow more overseas workers into the country.

Simon Wolfson, who was a prominent supporter of Britain’s exit from the European Union, said the U.K.’s current immigration system isn’t reacting quickly or “vigorously” enough to labor shortages, as evidenced by the current difficulty in finding skilled truck drivers.

Brexit Britain Burns Bridges With EU Truckers It Now Wants Back

“Visas were only granted when petrol queues started forming, when this crisis had been forewarned for so long and so loudly by so many people,” he said on a media call in London on Wednesday. “We need the immigration system to start looking forward.”

A severe shortage of truckers in Britain has made it harder for retailers like Next to deliver goods to stores and homes. Many European drivers returned to the continent after Brexit, creating a skills gap that is exacerbating problems in the supply chain caused by pandemic restrictions and higher costs.

After months of resisting calls by business to relax visa rules for workers such as drivers, the government agreed to issue a limited amount after petrol deliveries were stymied last week.

“The government could have granted more visas earlier,” Wolfson said. “Our country will be a lot more prosperous if we have the right immigration system in place. Any system has to be able to respond more quickly to skills shortages.”

Next Raises Profit Forecast Again After Strong Lockdown Recovery

Supply chain disruption has brought Next’s stock levels down 12% from two years ago, which has noticeably affected sales in some areas, Wolfson said. However, he expects some of the bottlenecks to ease in coming months and said Next wasn’t anticipating major shortages at Christmas. It’s more likely that consumers may experience some degradation in service and find they have to allow longer time for deliveries, he said.

While Next is able to absorb most of the higher costs it’s facing in the supply chain, clothing prices will probably rise by 1% next year and home furnishings by 6%, Wolfson said.
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You know what’s frustrating, everybody was warned even before the Brexit vote of labour shortages for low skilled work if the UK left the EU. Yet even in this thread (please search it!) it was described as scaremongering by the Caf’s Brexiteers. And so will many other forbiddings come true unfortunately, this is only just the start and the tip of the iceberg. You reep what you sow.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Your company's employees may have been given a 10% pay rise but don't think that applies to everyone.
Please promise to let us know if your trucks are delayed because of lack of fuel.
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First day back after my holiday. Update from my transport manager "Up to now we have had no issues. I have though told drivers to fill up when they can on route rather than at the end of each day".

In fairness I've just been to the station closest to work and had no issues filling up with £70 of petrol which should last until Wednesday.
 
TheGame said:
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Seems a bit odd to go straight from the HGV shortage to Brexit, as if one couldn't exist without the other, when Germany have their own HGV problems. There's all sorts of stupid shit that's come about from Brexit and obviously it exacerbates this particular problem, but that's some lazy commentary right there. It's the kind of thing you would've seen the Brexiteers saying about the EU. Point to a problem that already exists and blame it entirely on this thing that fits your political agenda.
 
I hate how I'm automatically lumped in with all the dipshit Brexit voters because I'm British.

"Haha, you all get what you deserve."

Feck off, I voted for Girls Aloud.
 
Apparently, warehouses also having crisis due to shortage of forklift drivers.
 
Could it be that Covid actually glossed over some of the problems of Brexit?
Now, with the economy kicking in cracks become more and more visible.
 
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