Unicorns dropping from the sky, which wasn't going to help them either.
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Unicorns dropping from the sky, which wasn't going to help them either.
To a Yank with no skin in this game, I’m just baffled at how anyone who has any business interaction with Europe would think that anything good in the short term would come from potentially cutting off or massively amending most business interaction with Europe.
It’s astonishing that any business person would think that.
That’s why it seems that it was mostly -isms that were the ultimate driver of this lunacy & made people act against their best & obvious interests.
It's not just this industry, it's just about every industry, they have been sold a fantasy that makes Britain great again and takes them back to the heady days of the empire with the whole world falling at their feet giving in to their every whim.
To brainwash millions of people like this is some achievement when just a short period of reflection should have given a hint to people of even moderate intelligence that it was just a fantasy.
Oh, no doubt. I was referring to this industry as it was specifically mentioned in the article.
I could be completely off base here, but it seems that the negative -isms scared the mentally deficient into falling in line. It seems the exact same mental deficiency was tapped into in this country in 2015/6 & that’s what elected Trump, some fantasmagorical populist message that had no foundation in reality & didn’t improve any broad swath of the populace’s life by any appreciable measure. It was the negative -isms that we’re tapped into to make this happen.
Thank god we didn’t self inflict a Brexit-style wound through the mental deficiency. No telling what would have happened if there was the possibility of doing so.
One of the key points that you probably need to understand is that for decades the UK has been told that they are the ones buying from the continent and that the EU needs them. There has been little talks about what the UK sells to the EU and whether they could still sell it if it becomes more expensive. In this thread I said several times that one thing the UK needs to be careful about is the fact that there is nothing that the UK produces that isn't produced on the continent, not even financial services, earlier this year Amsterdam traded a larger volume than London did, so even their most important asset isn't safe.
That’s astonishing that such a sentiment existed. What a fairytale that was spun.
It smacks of believing in a religion blindly.
Anyone who knew how the fishing industry worked, especially people who made their living at it must have known what would happen, seafood processing plants are in the EU, how do they get them there?
Under Uk laws they were not even allowed to sell their own seafood in the UK because it hadn't been processed due to the water quality. I believe I read that the UK has recently unilaterally upgraded the quality of its seawater.
It's not just people who one would consider stupid, successful intelligent people were convinced, they just knew which buttons to press to convince them beyond all rationale.
Even now many people still believe in the fantasy, it's almost like a weird cult.
It’s a quasi-religion. People see benefit to it, but not the negatives.
It smacks of the delusion of Qanon, which is also a new quasi-religion.
Yep.
Delusion is a very good description.
But in my mind, the delusion existed well before the actual vote.
There was a constant drip drip of lies and negative statements, both in the press and from senior politicians.
And as a result, the lies and false propaganda and downright ignorance of the subject fell on open ears and closed minds.
But as I keep saying, what is done is done.
History is history.
All we can do is to make the best of the utter stupidity and move forward.
Hopefully the post pandemic spirit may offset some of the damage.
To my mind, that weird attitude towards the EU has existed forever. Or at least, pretty much as long I've followed the news from the Netherlands (since somewhere around 1990 I suppose), the UK has been a reluctant partner, and an obstacle rather than a constructive member. (As a general observation; I'm sure there have been exceptions to that.) I imagine that has always been accompanied by discussions in the UK that focused on the negatives of the EU, at least from one side of the political spectrum.
Exactly.
Most all right wing press were constantly blaming the EU for anything and everything.
A good example was the Daily Mail totally incorrectly stating that the EU had not signed off its budget.
And of course the Tories kept feeding lies to in order to deflect any blame onto the EU.
But there was no obvious advocate of the EU to counter those lies and balance the narrative.
And the gullible masses lapped it up.
To be honest, I was a bit surprised that the remain vote was as high given all the propaganda.
Once we leave we will hold all the cards... easiest deal in history... etc etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914
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Yeah but we decided to withdraw from the talks, we weren't told to do so. So, sovereignty.
I have a few ties to the fishing community in the NE of Scotland through my wife. It's a relatively small sample size but they mainly voted Brexit on the basis of something along the line of a return to British fishing boats in British waters.
My understanding is that they feel like they've been dealt a double blow - the above hasn't happened, nor is it likely to. Also, because of all the new complications in exports to the EU, their income from this has dropped off a cliff edge.
This popped into my YT feed earlier today...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56984886
Fishing really is the gift that keep giving
France apparently going to cut off jerseys electricity now
Fishing really is the gift that keep giving
France apparently going to cut off jerseys electricity now
Worth stating that Jersey, as a Crown Dependency, had zero say in the 2016 referendum. They must be fuming.
My 96 year old grandad lives in Jersey. I’d much rather they didn’t cut his electricity off.
We'll just build very long cables to Jersey to take back control and power it with our own French built nuclear power stations.
They didn't do themselves any favours with that Jersey Shore rubbish. Never would've imagined there were so many tosspots down there.
Sovereignty’s electric, isn’t it?
What I find most astonishing is no matter how badly this government messes all this Brexit business up, it has absolutely no effect on the polls. People will still vote for Johnson and his cronies no matter what.
They (the voters) didn't care about the facts at the time, you expect them to start caring now?
I would have a faint hope that the daily trickle of bad news would eventually build up and people would realize the common thread.
And the alternative is? That’s the question that needs to be asked.
the other issue is that there’s an expectation that the government will do badly - driven by all the general negativity, no matter who has the keys.
Corbyn's and Starmer's view of Brexit was just as ridiculous as the Tories.
Notwithstanding all the other issues for the UK, Brexit was the most idiotic thing the UK electorate could have voted for.
Now whichever government is in power, they will roll from one problem to another and this is only the start.
This week the Tories, fairly quietly announced, that they'd negotiated some kind of new trade deal with India worth something like an extra £1 bn, part is due to reducing tariffs on apples, pears and quince to India. Looking at the latest figures the UK don't sell apples, pears and quince to India. It's like the Japan deal where they reduced tariffs on stilton which is not sold to Japan either.
To think they are destroying trade with their nearest and biggest trade partners for minuscule trade deals elsewhere is beyond belief.
Because the electorate won't look into the details, they are still conning the electorate. If you criticise the government you are seen as unpatriotic.
Trouble is Brexit was a one off event, you cannot rectify the mistake within a short period of time, what the solution is I have no idea and rejoining is out of the question for a long period of time.
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We also quietly granted full diplomatic status to the EU ambassador after making a song and dance saying we wouldnt because the EU wasnt a country ... I suspect that bluster and spin in the foreground is going to be a common tactic to discuise the reality in the background... i mean look at us loosing access to the Norwegen waters so we said a gunboat around Jersey to act tough
Jersey's foreign minister appears to be Jacob Rees-Mogg and Rob Brydon's lovechild.
Worth stating also that Jersey as a crown dependency holds authority to grant fishing licenses in Jersey waters.
"French fishing vessels complained that the requirements were sprung on them at late notice and had not previously been agreed. They also accused Jersey of dragging its feet in issuing the licenses.
Jersey officials said there was no plan to ban French boats from fishing and argued the majority had provided all the evidence required to obtain the license. He said that of the 41 boats which sought licenses under the new rules last Friday, all but 17 had provided the evidence required. "
We can add this to the list of reasonable retaliation for leaving the EU along with the vaccine ban and stealing ham from lorry drivers sandwiches. Now Russia like the French are going to threaten to cut off electricity and blockade ports.
So you haven't read or understood the details of why the french fisherman have a problem, they didn't advise them in time. They haven't blocked a vaccine, they haven't turned the electricity off, what they are doing is warning them that if the UK continue to break the rules and renegue on their agreements there will be retaliation.
It's the french fishermen blocking St Helier, not the EU , what's Johnson's plan, machine gun them with their gunboats?
If people bring prohibited objects into the UK will they be confiscated or stolen. Wave a flag!
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Jersey's foreign minister appears to be Jacob Rees-Mogg and Rob Brydon's lovechild.
I bet his RP is even more in your face than Rees-Moggs's
No doubt and the bulk of the media are fully onside in terms of spouting pro-Brexit propaganda. For example, the Daily Mail presented the key take-away from the recent deal with India as giving Priti Patel new rights to send home illegals. When you delved down into paragraph 6, you saw that it was actually an agreement to make skilled immigration easier for Indians into the UK (and vice versa). There’s nothing wrong with that agreement but I don’t think “increased non-white immigration as a quid pro quo of trade deals” plastered on that red bus would have been quite such a vote winner in places like Hartlepool.
As long as they dont speak french Hartlepool is cool
C'mon whats next - wave machines to sink them... killer whales?
Wave a flag machines
C'mon whats next - wave machines to sink them... killer whales?
I bet she’s floated the idea of sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads!
As if she would openly support the policies of a Belgian.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-countries-snub-priti-patel-063011854.html
Once we leave we hold all the cards... etc
That's an interesting attempt, the treaties governing this side of international law isn't directly linked to the EU, so why would they propose it now and not 7 years ago?