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4bars said:
Me too, apparently they were laughable. 5,000 euros a year income and health coverage and minor paperwork.

Could be possible that if you are resident in Spain you need to file taxes over your retiree funds in UK, as they would not be retiree funds in Spain but income as they don't care about the source?

But I don't think many people will be legally kicked out from Spain, the agreement reached between countries covered all the current residence in both countries (and the other countries) to not disrupt their lives
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It could be where they're living. In Italy, you have to have a proper rental contract or own a house to apply for residency. I suspect that these people might not have had either.

My occupational pension from the NHS isn't counted here as income for our Italian tax returns, as it's a government-paid pension (I'm not old enough for a state pension in the UK). State pensions from the UK wouldn't be double-taxed, either.
 
Penna said:
It could be where they're living. In Italy, you have to have a proper rental contract or own a house to apply for residency. I suspect that these people might not have had either.

My occupational pension from the NHS isn't counted here as income for our Italian tax returns, as it's a government-paid pension (I'm not old enough for a state pension in the UK). State pensions from the UK wouldn't be double-taxed, either.
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Yes, could be the extra paperwork (registered in the city, utility bills showing where you live, etc..) Anyway, feel bad for the ones that have to leave that are normal people, even for brexiteers that didn't know better and were lied. But so much saudenfraude for Shaun and his british excepcionalism
 
4bars said:
Yes, could be the extra paperwork (registered in the city, utility bills showing where you live, etc..) Anyway, feel bad for the ones that have to leave that are normal people, even for brexiteers that didn't know better and were lied. But so much saudenfraude for Shaun and his british excepcionalism
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In Italy, there's a wait period between applying and being accepted, during which the local policeman comes to your house (unannounced) to check you're living there and that it's actually your home. The one that came to us asked us why we wanted to live in Italy and then wandered around the kitchen and upstairs! Possibly just nosy. :D
 
africanspur said:
Can we get this couple the world's smallest violin?

Of all the people to have made this stupid decision, the ones who live in mainland Europe, especially those who are retired like this, have to be the most ridiculous.

https://global247news.com/2021/03/2...to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/

The article if anyone wants to read it. Shaun still couldn't resist a typically nice bit of British exceptionalism there though. :D
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Does that also imply that in theory any spanish / other europeans who have not registered over in the UK can also be deported in 4 days?

I expect Priti patel is busy getting her hugo boss suit ready for a bit of Hans Landa role play if thats the case?

edit... 1st of july before she can round them up...

https://www.lexology.com/library/de...dline to make this,with EU free movement laws.
 
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4bars said:
Me too, apparently they were laughable. 5,000 euros a year income and health coverage and minor paperwork.

Could be possible that if you are resident in Spain you need to file taxes over your retiree funds in UK, as they would not be retiree funds in Spain but income as they don't care about the source?

But I don't think many people will be legally kicked out from Spain, the agreement reached between countries covered all the current residence in both countries (and the other countries) to not disrupt their lives
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Criminal record maybe?
 
JPRouve said:
I still fail to understand how any business owner/manager that trades goods could buy the dud. It only takes very basic understanding of international trades, custom rules and how time and distances work.
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I mean there's no way of knowing how many of them voted for Brexit, but clearly a decent percentage did from the past videos of the fishermen and so on. It is remarkable that the ideology of Brexit overrode even their business sense and now some will go bust. God only knows how someone who sells auto parts to Europe thought Brexit would be a plus for their business.
 
Jippy said:
I mean there's no way of knowing how many of them voted for Brexit, but clearly a decent percentage did from the past videos of the fishermen and so on. It is remarkable that the ideology of Brexit overrode even their business sense and now some will go bust. God only knows how someone who sells auto parts to Europe thought Brexit would be a plus for their business.
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There's enough evidence to say that a sizable portion of business owners were swayed by the "open to more worldwide markets" myth.
It just showed a basic lack of understanding and business owners wanting to be fed a lie. A lot of these people wanted Brexit and were willing to take any excuse to vote for what they wanted.
One of the biggest factors in international trade is geography. Too many decided to ignore it. The idea our exports to the EU can be replaced by exports elsewhere is not even reasonable enough to discuss.
 
Adisa said:
There's enough evidence to say that a sizable portion of business owners were swayed by the "open to more worldwide markets" myth.
It just showed a basic lack of understanding and business owners wanting to be fed a lie. A lot of these people wanted Brexit and were willing to take any excuse to vote for what they wanted.
One of the biggest factors in international trade is geography. Too many decided to ignore it. The idea our exports to the EU can be replaced by exports elsewhere is not even reasonable enough to discuss.
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Still not sure what's more remarkable- that they believed that or that they had the acumen to either build a business or be put in charge of one in the first place.

Surely additional markets would be precisely that rather than just replacing the existing ones:wenger:
 
Jippy said:
Still not sure what's more remarkable- that they believed that or that they had the acumen to either build a business or be put in charge of one in the first place.

Surely additional markets would be precisely that rather than just replacing the existing ones:wenger:
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An hour's research on the internet of how to trade with a country outside of your Custom's Union should have put them off.

If they wanted to trade with countries outside the EU there was nothing stopping them so they didn't have to leave to do so.

Thirdly, until the UK government stop continuing to tell lies about it being teething troubles and it'll get better, people will still think this is only a temporary glitch. Even if companies get a little more used to the documentary requirements the trading rules are not going to go away. This is what they voted for.
 
Kentonio said:
Criminal record maybe?
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Actually you might be right, to get permanent residency in canada they asked me for them among many other things but this process should be simplier. But Who knows
 
Reapersoul20 said:
That has never happened in the history of the tory party. The man eats fish, oven chips and the EU for dinner.
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Well they can choose to believe what they want of course, and I’m sure all the contracts thrown round have kept their mates happy but for small business Britain they’ve been ducked by a man a
who lies for a living
 
golden_blunder said:
Well they can choose to believe what they want of course, and I’m sure all the contracts thrown round have kept their mates happy but for small business Britain they’ve been ducked by a man a
who lies for a living
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I am taking the piss, BJ is a complete and total gowl. Brexit was an awful idea from the outset and now they're reaping what they sowed.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Is it 8 days of clashes now? How can this government still be polling well. The only answer I think is that the media are complicit and the population are lazy, when it comes to understand politics.


Northern Ireland: Broken Brexit promises threaten to turn back the clock on fragile peace
https://news.sky.com/story/broken-b...k-on-northern-irelands-fragile-peace-12270938
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Brexit promises are meaningless though.
There were only three options, the UK stayed in the EU CU, they put a border in the Irish Sea or they put a border on the island of Ireland.

The consequences were quite clear, anyone who voted for Brexit was a moron, full stop. Anyone who still thinks Brexit was a good idea is a double moron.
 
TheGame said:
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Slowly but surely, project fear is unfolding almost exactly as predicted. Meanwhile bone idle Johnson buries his head in the sand and thinks the problem will go away on its own. It is a very dangerous moment for NI.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Brexit promises are meaningless though.
There were only three options, the UK stayed in the EU CU, they put a border in the Irish Sea or they put a border on the island of Ireland.

The consequences were quite clear, anyone who voted for Brexit was a moron, full stop. Anyone who still thinks Brexit was a good idea is a double moron.
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Well I certainly agree with your last sentence.
As you correctly point out, the issue of Northern Ireland was always going to less than ideal.
And once it was decided to have the boarder in Ireland, there was always going to be a growing problem; cause and effect.
And as usual, Boris and the vast majority of his party are trying to pretend that everything is ok.
Well it isn't and never will be.
I can definitely see a gradual ramping up of the problems.
Loyalists v Republicans. And we know how that is likely to play out.
This is just the beginning of an escalation of problems and no matter how much he tries, Boris has no way out.
You reap what you sow...
 
Buster15 said:
Well I certainly agree with your last sentence.
As you correctly point out, the issue of Northern Ireland was always going to less than ideal.
And once it was decided to have the boarder in Ireland, there was always going to be a growing problem; cause and effect.
And as usual, Boris and the vast majority of his party are trying to pretend that everything is ok.
Well it isn't and never will be.
I can definitely see a gradual ramping up of the problems.
Loyalists v Republicans. And we know how that is likely to play out.
This is just the beginning of an escalation of problems and no matter how much he tries, Boris has no way out.
You reap what you sow...
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Quite right, and there is no way out.
Boris has no solution, Brexiters never thought further than brainwashing the masses and were not expecting to 'win'.
Not just for Ireland but the thousands of other self-inflicted problems which will gradually reveal themselves over the course of the next months and years.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Quite right, and there is no way out.
Boris has no solution, Brexiters never thought further than brainwashing the masses and were not expecting to 'win'.
Not just for Ireland but the thousands of other self-inflicted problems which will gradually reveal themselves over the course of the next months and years.
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The 'solution' will be to blame the EU for everything. Unfortunately that's the reflex many state governments have and that's one of the reasons of EU sceptisism which Brexit is the prime example of.
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
The 'solution' will be to blame the EU for everything. Unfortunately that's the reflex many state governments have and that's one of the reasons of EU sceptisism which Brexit is the prime example of.
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That has been the case ever since the UK joined the EEC/EU, it was always the EU's fault. A large proportion of the public are so gullible that they believe anything because it's what they want to hear.

Ironically the UK, having now left the EU, supposedly have taken back control so in theory they can't blame anyone, so the government's response now is that if the public question them it is clear the public are not waving that Union Jack hard enough.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
That has been the case ever since the UK joined the EEC/EU, it was always the EU's fault. A large proportion of the public are so gullible that they believe anything because it's what they want to hear.

Ironically the UK, having now left the EU, supposedly have taken back control so in theory they can't blame anyone, so the government's response now is that if the public question them it is clear the public are not waving that Union Jack hard enough.
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It’s also the case in the Netherlands. Even parties who vote in favor of more integration in the EU itself blame the EU for all kind of stuff back home. It seems this has shifted somewhat lately with parties posing pro EU policies in their manifesto. Maybe because they are rightfully scared to death for Nexit.
 
Buster15 said:
Well I certainly agree with your last sentence.
As you correctly point out, the issue of Northern Ireland was always going to less than ideal.
And once it was decided to have the boarder in Ireland, there was always going to be a growing problem; cause and effect.
And as usual, Boris and the vast majority of his party are trying to pretend that everything is ok.
Well it isn't and never will be.
I can definitely see a gradual ramping up of the problems.
Loyalists v Republicans. And we know how that is likely to play out.
This is just the beginning of an escalation of problems and no matter how much he tries, Boris has no way out.
You reap what you sow...
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Boris will go down as the PM who brought the ‘troubles’ back to NI after good men before him worked out a way of making it stop.
it’s on the NI politicians now to make it stop because Boris isn’t going to do diddly. This is a man that hid in a refrigerator unit for gods sake
 
Let's be frank, the people in England don't give a feck about Northern Ireland.
 
Adisa said:
Let's be frank, the people in England don't give a feck about Northern Ireland.
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Yes, and our English Nationalist Party government (still called Conservative and Unionist despite being neither) are fully aware of that. There’s no votes to be had in England for making efforts on behalf of Northern Ireland.

I have to say that Major and Blair (notwithstanding Iraq) now look like figures from a very distant era.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Yes, and our English Nationalist Party government (still called Conservative and Unionist despite being neither) are fully aware of that. There’s no votes to be had in England for making efforts on behalf of Northern Ireland.

I have to say that Major and Blair (notwithstanding Iraq) now look like figures from a very distant era.
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We had a perfect Prime Minister for a very short period and the nation messed up because he had a funny eye and a problem with bigotry, and also because people don't understand how world economics work so they thought he had marched into the big room where we store all our gold and madly cackled "Sell it! Sell it all! Mwahahaha!"

Ok, not perfect. But in hindsight he understood how to do the job. Unlike the bacon roll eating/flat cap High Sparrow/plastic houseplant montage from Labour versus the Tory duo of Teresa "Wins by default" May and Boris "This fridge would be a great place to bang my mistress" Johnson.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Yes, and our English Nationalist Party government (still called Conservative and Unionist despite being neither) are fully aware of that. There’s no votes to be had in England for making efforts on behalf of Northern Ireland.

I have to say that Major and Blair (notwithstanding Iraq) now look like figures from a very distant era.
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....from the past! A 'foreign country' indeed!
 
Genuine question, have any actual benefits appeared or expected to appear as a result of Brexit?
 
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