A ton of Tory donors are poised to make loads of cash?
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Have you ever been in a meeting where there are too many people around the table with different opinions?
Oh of course I'm sure that happens as a result of everything the Tory party does.
But I meant any tangible benefits emerging for the Hoi polloi that voted for Brexit.
It's bizarre isn't it? Sometimes folk oversell a service ("this is the greatest vacuum cleaner ever!" but at the very least it still sort of works (crumbs are gone). With Brexit nothing has been delivered that is remotely close to what was promised.
It does seem that way, I was wondering if I'd missed something.
I'm from Northern Ireland and it seems to be going just about how I feared it would over here.
The real question is - exactly what benefits were we going to get from Brexit.
Apart from nebulous claims about taking back control, there were no defined benefits.
Now. It has to be said that not being part of the EU vaccination programme will be seen as a benefit.
But that was not part of the leave campaign.
Yeah that was pure luck, good or bad depending on which Tory you are
With Brexit we are left with some crumbs instead.
Sad that misinformed Brexiters would risk a potential civil war in the UK just to avoid non bendy bananas. I suspect many did not even consider Northern Ireland.
The England centric nature of Brexit, the UK media and politics at Westminster in full effect.
They didn't but to be honest I can't say I blame them all that much.
The real blame in that regard lies with Cameron and the Tory party, who quite obviously didn't even consider the potential consequences of Brexit for NI themselves. Before organizing a haphazard referendum with little or no thought put into it.
Been asking that for five years, still haven't received a coherent answer.
Furthermore not only will there be no benefits, any theoretical imaginary benefits could never make up for all the benefits they did have and have now lost.
True but as you point out that's not something people voted for. And who knows how things would have played out with the vaccine program if the UK was still a member.
Tanned Tony and the likes will have to go back to Blighty unless they became resident somewhere else. That’s a benefit to the EU countries?
There are quite a few benefits like that for EU countries. No UKIP nutters or Farage in the EU parliament for a start.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...40-finance-firms-to-shift-some-business-to-eu
And this is only the beginning according to the article although I don’t know how reputable New Financial is. Never heard of them before.
And this is only the beginning according to the article although I don’t know how reputable New Financial is. Never heard of them before.
Super League fiasco is how Brexit should've gone. Abandoned after 2 days and chief prats leaving the ship.
Is our approach going to be to insult everyone we're trying to organise a trade deal with? Its a novel approach, I'll give them that.
The funny line from that is "He is inexperienced compared to Liz"
Liz with so much experience photocopying EU documents until she ran out of toner.
Maybe Truss needs to reconsider who her 'allies' her, if this is the sort of stuff they're going to look to the press.
Although the Danish farmhand story doesn't look that amazing on Tehan. Or at least, it sounds to me like a took a gap year when he was 18 - which doesn't really scream 'relevant policy experience' to me.
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Because they thought they were going to win!
Cameron had won against the Scots (Indy1), got a Tory majority in GE and was going for the treble; but he made some 'rotation' moves, they came off badly, the manager walked, that's the real story of Brexit referendum.
Possibly, but in hindsight looking back he did almost everything to ensure they lost. So it makes you wonder.
The worst part of the whole referendum campaign was barely a mention about the possible effects it would have on Northern Ireland. Which in itself should have put the idea to bed for another 10-20 years.
They did win, Tories have a bigger majority than for a long time, they even contrived to get the red wall voting for them and now they've got everyone waving flags from both sides plus a totally useless (again) opposition leader .
They knew Brexit would be disastrous but didn't care, they knew the electorate was so gullible they were in no danger. Pigs in clover.
Five years later and the public are still being fooled. It was as clear as day about the trade problems, about the NI problems about all the problems, nobody wanted to listen and they still won't admit, now, they the public got it so wrong, they can't admit it.
Cameron was just a casualty "for the greater good." of the Tory Party
Just keep waving those flags , I'm sure everything will be fine.
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I just don't think he thought he was going to lose. I don't think most of us did.
Certainly if I'd known, I'd have tried to do my part at least and go out campaigning or something. We all kind of sleep walked into it.
Maybe Truss needs to reconsider who her 'allies' her, if this is the sort of stuff they're going to look to the press.
Although the Danish farmhand story doesn't look that amazing on Tehan. Or at least, it sounds to me like a took a leap-year when he was 18 - which doesn't really scream 'relevant policy experience' to me.
Yeah don;t know what on earth he's talking about there. The underlying message seems to be that there's a lot of issues to solve between the agricultural lobbies on both sides which is fair but no need to throw a gap year story into it.
He obviously just underestimated the anti EU/foreigner sentiment held by a vast swathe of the UK voters. That and the Leave campaign spewing a load of lies and fairy tales.
Sounds a lot like the Brexit negotiations: bluff & bluster your way through the whole thing - just to learn that your negotiation partners aren't small children that you can scare into agreement.
Sounds like the art of the dealeo from trump
Paul that is some accomplishment, you have to admit?
A super Tory treble; +80 majority in Parliament; turned the red wall blue, and Labour elected a 'Charisma deficit' leader
and a Pandemic to cover Brexit losses!
Things can't get any better for the Tories, can they?
It is, and they've now managed to convince vast swathes of the public that any criticism of what they've done or doing is an insult to the UK. They really cannot believe their luck as everything worked in their favour.
The biggest enemy of the UK are not the EU, the Scots, the Irish, the Remainers or anyone else they want to divert the blame on, it's the Tories themselves and the fools who believe all the lies and propaganda.
Question now is where and how will it end.
Certainly not until there is someone who is strong charismatic leader to oppose them and not a weak, complicit waste of space.
That's right the Tories are all 'out of step'... would you believe it?
I never understand you.
Sorry, for any confusion my attempts at irony don't always translate well.
I was trying to point out to Paul (the Wolf) that his description amounts to the Tories having a massive inbuilt majority, hence just maybe its everyone else who is 'out of step'... so to speak!
Its an eternal problem for all minorities, to their way of thinking everyone else is wrong except them...it will always be so because 'the silent majority' does exist, its not a fictional ploy.
Having a majority does not mean your views are right, but then again neither does being in a minority guarantee you are virtuous/or hold the higher ground.
In politics, as in life generally the majority view (right or wrong) is the one that prevails* .
(* thankfully that has just been confirmed (in football) by the majority opposition to the proposed Super League)
Exactly!... unfortunately some people don't grasp that fundamental and in what is effectively a two party system if one party implodes, then arsehole's get a walkover.
It's not a betrayal, it's exactly what was predicted by 'experts' and 'project fear' and basically anybody with two brain cells to rub together.
Stupid cnuts.
‘It’s a betrayal’: Cornish fishing vote turns against Tories over Brexit deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-vote-turns-against-tories-over-brexit-deal
Stupid cnuts.
‘It’s a betrayal’: Cornish fishing vote turns against Tories over Brexit deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-vote-turns-against-tories-over-brexit-deal
If life gives you just 60p for the kilo of hake, then make poke of it.
What were those in this industry who voted for Brexit expecting to happen?