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With one of the main gripes being I hate darkies and foreigners and I don't want to see them any more and that nice man Mr Farange says I won't have to if I vote for Britex.
An English friend of mine, living in France, just told me that two of her friends, a couple in their 70s who were also living in France, firstly voted to Leave in the referendum, why- because of the immigration issue in the UK 
- one of them wanted to stay in France and one wanted to go back to the UK. They decided to sell up and are now in the process of moving back to the UK.
- one of them wanted to stay in France and one wanted to go back to the UK. They decided to sell up and are now in the process of moving back to the UK.At first I thought she was trying to prove herself to the Tory right wing/UKIP. Now I think that actually she's using Brexit as an excuse for every right wing thing the Tories have ever wanted to do but couldn't say out loud. She begrudgingly supported Remain so presumably knows Brexit will damage the economy but thinks she can hold power by going after UKIP voters with xenophobic policies and frustrated Labour voters with a more active state.
An English friend of mine, living in France, just told me that two of her friends, a couple in their 70s who were also living in France, firstly voted to Leave in the referendum, why- because of the immigration issue in the UK
Unreal.In fairness i dont see comrade corbyn wrestling power off her so yeah pretty much free reign till labour can sort them selves out
People are weird and (often) stupid and misinformed.
Though I will say that the remainers who throw out the "90% of leavers are racist" arguments are guilty of stupidity too. It's no wonder the remain campaign failed if that was the message they were sending to those who were leaning towards leave.
Agreed completely. I don't think people were racist (some obviously were), I just think having listened to dozens of interviews it seemed like those people had no real knowledge of why they were voting and instead got hooked into by the headline bullshit the brexiters were cooking up. As evidenced by the amount of people voting Leave in isolated regions of the UK where the only financial help they received was from the EU. Just totally bizarre.
Sterling has hit a new record low.
An English friend of mine, living in France, just told me that two of her friends, a couple in their 70s who were also living in France, firstly voted to Leave in the referendum, why- because of the immigration issue in the UK
Most of the British expats in my country I know are Brexiteers. They don't want foreigners in their country and they want control over immigration. When asked what if the EU decides to the same they reply, Nah you won't do that to us won't you? Its ridiculous
In fairness if they are already living / working over there then they are probably right - afterall even the conservatives have come out and said that we will let all people stay here who are here - presuming it will be reciprocal.
Is Corbyn really that bad? If this is the new Tory centre how extreme is Corbyn in comparison?
Most of the British people I know were absolutely furious with the Leave vote, although these have integrated well into the French system, people and culture.
However, you can find enclaves of British people who only mix with their own , refuse to even attempt to speak French and even order all their food from Asda or Tesco's and have it delivered to their homes in France. Fortunately most of these are starting to drift back to the UK, mainly in the more elderly age group, this should help the NHS flourish
I can't remeber Cameron calling all leavers racists, nor the campaign.
Leave went on immigration almost to the exclusion of everything else, they didn't have anything else
TBH mate I trust neither EU nor UK on this regard. How things are developing we'll end up victims of a tit for tat fight between the two
When the facts don't suit you, make up load of nonsense huh?Media reports from the commencement of campaigning would show the falsehood you are suggesting there.
That's intolerable. Importing british food when you are in France...
Perhaps you haven't tasted Boris's chocolate cake made in Walthamstow which is such a success in France
Great, I may have to come back again this Christmas.
The Long Goodbye.
I wasn't literally suggesting that the Remain campaign had stated that leavers were racist, that was just a turn of phrase. I was speaking about the attitude of remain supporters generally.
Put it this way: Anybody who starts off an argument with a statement as factually incorrect as "90% of the vote was down to 'we don't want any more foreigners'" can't then be surprised when leavers don't engage with the actual facts they present. It just makes remainers seems as hysterical as leavers, which aids the anti-fact side of the leave argument.
If the Remain campaign had spoken about leavers the way some of the remain posters here do then the result would have been even worse.
The reason the remainers got more and more perplexed by the Brexiteers on here were that after lengthy debates and statements and forecasts and expert opinions , the Brexiteers refused to acknowledge that the UK economy would suffer badly, that the UK laws were not all governed by Brussels and that each country in the EU still had it's own identity. The only thing left was Immigration whether controlled or not, and then one can see now nearly all the discussions are about Immigration.
Media reports from the commencement of campaigning would show the falsehood you are suggesting there.
They were doing terribly in the polls then shifted to the only ground they could win on. Its the racism that won it
Its the statement after the vote as nothing else explains the result
Not a record low against the dollar, that was 1.05, remember it well
"They all dislike foreigners" doesn't explain the vote at all, especially when only a third of leavers named immigration as the primary reason for voting that way. It's a cop out to paint them all as mad racists who couldn't possibly have been reasoned with.
I think UK society is clearly rather fractured and divided. Dismissing the other side of that divide as nasty lunatics isn't a good way of examining or fixing the underlying issues that led to Brexit.
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Media reports from the commencement of campaigning would show the falsehood you are suggesting there.
Like claiming the Leave campaign never said they could spend £350m on the NHS?
When an expert says go left, go right every time
That would be a fair point if people voted solely on that basis. Did people vote leave because of that claim? Doubt it.
No one's claiming people voted solely on that basis but I do expect it influenced some voters despite it being not only a bit of a lie, but a complete and utter lie with no factual basis whatsoever.
Oh I was having a go at Nick in particular, not leavers in general:
Despite, well, this:
Dunno mate
I wouldn't mind Nick having a pop about 'making up nonsense' if he hadn't done the exact same thing at times himself when it suited, but this is hardly the only example of him doing exactly what he's moaning about others doing.
Not many people are going to admit to being racists so thats no surprise
The same is going to happen in the US, people calling trump supporters every name under the sun, we're going to see alot of votes for trump from people that we wouldn't have thought would vote that way.
What influenced the people that voted remain?
So despite statistical evidence suggesting that immigration wasn't their primary concern, you'd sooner trust your amazing psychic ability to read the minds and intentions of a massive group of people?
If so then it doesn't surprise me that leavers ignored any actual fact based arguments you presented.
I belive your basing your statement on the Ashceoft poll, and yes I do trust my reading better, based mostly on the governments response, they'll sacrifice everything for migration controls in the negotiations to come, they'll have done their polling and know what will win votes
Mixture of things. They believed Remain offered continuity, stability, economic security, and that it was a rejection of the rhetoric on immigration from UKIP and the more right-wing of the Tories.
February 1985 , but by June 1985 it was back above the level it is now and continued to climb. Not confident that the pound will improve like that again.
On the Euro front (that currency that's about to collapse) another 4.5 cents drop and it will be an all time record low
So, are you saying that they switched up their policy agenda later in campaigning, or that immigration was used to the exclusion of all else? It cannot be both.
I don't believe that even your quoted statement of mine supports that claim. Real classy of you by the way there Fletch, leaving out my response which included an official Vote Leave video using the £100m figure. Moreover, i can't recall that giving 350m solely to the NHS was a line i used excessively.
Perhaps when you have time, you can highlight other examples of my consistent lying throughout the discussion.
Out of interest, did you stand loyal to and support all that Cameron/Osborne said on your behalf as a Remainer?
Yes i have complained at times, but then a small number of Leave posters had no choice but to accept a rather unsavoury debate. here Irrespective of the referendum's outcome, it was one of the least enjoyable threads i have been a participant of in thirteen years on the Caf.