I suggest those true British people who sponge off the state have to wear sponges tied to their head
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That's my experience of it. I don't see myself working in the UK in the future now because the numbers of foreign students are way down (I taught them) and the funding won't be there either.
The size of an economy is identical with its physical output of goods and services, which doesn't change with every up or down movement of the exchange rate. Proper comparisons between economies are based on PPP (purchasing power parity) which takes account of what a country's currency can actually buy. The British people's standard of living with respect to the French is no different now than it was last week.
Where's the quid at then?
I reckon most who voted leave are the sort who go on European vacations so hopefully they are really whining about how little a pound is worth now.
I reckon most who voted leave are the sort who go on European vacations so hopefully they are really whining about how little a pound is worth now.
Not really the season for trips to The Costa del Sol though..
Old people like to winter in the Med.
Their European trip has become very expensive, but some won't go in case they get attacked by a terrorist and some won't go in case someone shuts the door behind them at "Border control" and won't let them back in again
Oh that lot will be up in arms no doubt. Their pensions wont buy as many Sangrias these days.
I think the article makes a couple of good points. Ultimately the Brexit side won by promoting classic nationalist ideas. Nationalists are always concerned with identity. So it is not just about changing policy, but changing the perception of policy. A big selling-point of Brexit was “taking back control”. Few people were able to come up with substantial changes of policy (except limiting migration, which fits well into the category of traditional nationalistic ideas), but national sovereignty was also seen as a value in itself. That is based on an inherently collectivist view of society. It is an idea that lost a lot of credibility in Europe after WWII (compared to other parts of the world where it is still much more present). Yet due to all the recent crisis, it is coming back everywhere and that is scary.
It is still early days, so we’ll have to wait and see how things play out, but the Torries seem to shift in this direction and that is a massive change in their agenda. Parties are often arranged on a spectrum from left (socially liberal with a strong state to manage all sorts of problems) to right (conservative with a small state + emphasis on free markets). Classic conservatism/nationalism doesn’t fit into this system of classifying parties. It combines the ideas of a strong state that manages society with conservative/nationalist ideas of identity. Broadly speaking it is the opposite of classic-liberalism/libertarianism.
It is important to keep an eye on this, because that is a really troubling development.
I saw a couple of “funny” memes with quotes from May’s speech on twitter – just with a portrait of Corbyn in the background. Both parties might find themselves on the same side in the debate of “free markets” vs “state intervention”. It would be interesting to see how the Caf would react to May out-doing Labor on the left.
I read a piece about someone watching the Brexit vote in a bar in Magaluf. Full of ex-pats cheering the result. Without a hint of irony.
Add to that the completely unnecessary HE Bill allowing for scores of low quality private for profit providers to enter the sector, and you are absolutely right. I work in the sector and I am seriously considering leaving it.
The amount of butthurt around here (and on guardian) for pro-EU "experts" being blocked from advising on Brexit is amusing.
@PedroMendez I understand what you are saying but for me the confusing part is that it has nothing to do with the EU. France has an omnipotent and omnipresent state, we are continuously talking about the french identity and we are always criticized for not being enough 'internationalist".
What May is currently proposing isn't strange in France, this week the state bought trains that they don't need in order to "maintain" french jobs, you can't legally rent without giving your identity and your nationality (the INSEE isn't allowed to publish these sorts of stats but they have them), in fact you have to give your nationality all the time.
France is a lot closer to what May seems to want for the UK.
What May is currently proposing isn't strange in France, this week the state bought trains that they don't need in order to "maintain" french jobs, you can't legally rent without giving your identity and your nationality (the INSEE isn't allowed to publish these sorts of stats but they have them), in fact you have to give your nationality all the time.
France is a lot closer to what May seems to want for the UK.
Whilst the desire to blunder into the unknown ignoring warnings of danger ahead from the experts of just about every nation we have ever considered an ally is clearly a demonstration of the unparalleled genius of all our noble Brexiteers. "To infinity and beyond", it may not be flying but it's falling with style.
Why the random scare quotes? The person complaining was an LSE "professor" whose "expertise" was endorsed by a British "expert" too.
Don't want any of that dirty foreign "knowledge" polluting pristine UK minds.
Who cares if the standard of advice available to the government decreases as a result? Better to be stupid than non-British. After all, these duplicitous foreigners obviously intend to lure the mighty British Empire onto the rocks with their tricksy advice.
Who cares if the standard of advice available to the government decreases as a result? Better to be stupid than non-British. After all, these duplicitous foreigners obviously intend to lure the mighty British Empire onto the rocks with their tricksy advice.
And why do we need expert advice anyway? I think we've all had enough of experts. Bloody experts. With their experience and insights and knowledge. Who needs them?
Oh. I misunderstood you. I totally agree with your assessment.
Historically and culturally speaking, France is much more nationalistic than the UK. The difference is that due to path-dependency (ECSC) and historical coincidence (geographical location), this form of nationalistic identity found a way to integrate a European outlook into its national identity. The French do it by trying to form the EU in their image (just like other nations try the same) as centralist interventionist power. The French understood, that their country will lose influence in a global world and they are trying to make up for this by embracing the EU. So in a way embracing the EU could be interpreted as a means to strengthen France.
LePen would be the inward-looking alternative of French nationalism that rejects the EU.
GB never developed a similar attitude towards the EU because of their heritage of classical liberalism, geography, the Commonwealth and various other cultural and historical events.
What I am also trying to say is, that this could be the beginning of a massive policy shift in the UK. While Thatcher was fairly nationalistic, she also embraced some ideas of limited government that influenced British politics to this day. By electing Corbyn, Labor broke with their past (3rd way) and by electing May, the Torries might follow this course.
*I know that pretty much every sentence in this argument is controversial/simplistic. I just lack the time to spell out all my thoughts on the issue.*
Surely it is more the illegal discrimination and treating them as fifth columnists, no?
That furniture set is getting cheaper Wolfy
It certainly is, Stanley
Its all good
Its surely not illegal. Many roles (in govt, defense and other areas) are open only to British citizens. The MoD even goes so far as to keep out Brits holding dual nationality as well.
I have benefitted considerably since the Referendum and here I am telling the UK they have made a huge mistake.
I've just paid for the furniture and made a 300 Euros gain since I ordered it. (Although that is peanuts to other benefits I've made , thank you the UK for being daft)
Make the most of it while the UK are still in the EU
Anti-intellectualism, registration of foreign nationals, isolationist policies and a populist politics. I'm delighted I get to participate in this recreation of 1930s Europe, it is a fascinating historical period. Oh, sorry.."historical".
When will these "experts" shut up and let us just blunder on. After all, it's only the entire rest of the world, who are inherently inferior to us Brits and have no "experts" anyway, we'll compete against them effortlessly.
Don't worry, Peter Crouch is being drafted in as advisor as he is a Hünenmensch
Er golf, it's the high season!
How is the euro fairing against other currencies?
Steady as she goes, around $1.11 /1.12 to the Euro
Could we soon see the introduction of a quota for foreign players in the PL? Would be in keeping with the general trend...
QED
Well the FA are trying to increase the number of home grown players within the league so they'll probably just reduce the number of foreign players to accommodate the increases they end up proposing.
They would need work permits anyway.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37586928
So the UK will argue for a transitional period - say up to five years - in order to negotiate a free trade agreement. During that period the UK would still trade and operate within the single market and accept EU rules.
Why would the UK do so? We thought that that the UK couldn't wait to spread their wings and get their sovereignty back from the evil EU. Also are they suggesting that the same group who refused preliminary talks will accept this?
So the UK will argue for a transitional period - say up to five years - in order to negotiate a free trade agreement. During that period the UK would still trade and operate within the single market and accept EU rules.
Why would the UK do so? We thought that that the UK couldn't wait to spread their wings and get their sovereignty back from the evil EU. Also are they suggesting that the same group who refused preliminary talks will accept this?
Just face it this out vote is a national disaster which has been exaggerated by the bile spouted by the unelelected May and her cronies.
The pound is now nothing but a political currency and it's going to be driven into the ground.
The pound is now nothing but a political currency and it's going to be driven into the ground.