https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse
Boris might not last till summer if even half thats true
Sunak or Gove.You would have thought that by now there would be a list of all the benefits of Brexit.
1. Umm....wait a minute....can't think of it offhand, just give me a few years to think about it...ummm... no, sorry...
Scary thing for the UK, if Boris does go, who the hell replaces him, chances are they will probably be even worse, amazingly.
Sunak or Gove.
You would have thought that by now there would be a list of all the benefits of Brexit.
1. Umm....wait a minute....can't think of it offhand, just give me a few years to think about it...ummm... no, sorry...
Scary thing for the UK, if Boris does go, who the hell replaces him, chances are they will probably be even worse, amazingly.
I would say Sunak is favourite, he has had more favourable media coverage than Gove. Though Gove is considered a Murdoch favourite.Sunak would be favourite... though I have a feeling gove will find a way to knife him in the back and slime his way into no10 (probably with the help of Cummings)
I think gove sunak possibly raab hunt and the saj would have another go... perhaps priti patel to provide some gender balance and make everybody else look slightly more reasonable by comparisonI would say Sunak is favourite, he has had more favourable media coverage than Gove. Though Gove is considered a Murdoch favourite.
I don't think Boris is going to go so easily whatever happens with the deal or no dealYou would have thought that by now there would be a list of all the benefits of Brexit.
1. Umm....wait a minute....can't think of it offhand, just give me a few years to think about it...ummm... no, sorry...
Scary thing for the UK, if Boris does go, who the hell replaces him, chances are they will probably be even worse, amazingly.
I don't think Boris is going to go so easily whatever happens with the deal or no deal
It might be they will and never had a problem with it but can use it as a concession later and expect reciprocity on something they do have a problem with.Then why hasn't the UK accept the level playing field clause?
fair play its three weeks before the deadline and the Tories still have people believing a deal might happen
a lot of what’s going on looks like bluster, and rhetoric to satisfy each side to show that they are negotiating hard.Most negotiations go to the wire.
we will have to see if I fall into your activity of “idiots who think a deal can be done”*
*my interpretation of your post.
well, I might be wrong of course.. but nothing the Tories are doing looks like deal-making or diplomacy to me
I am, of course, extremely biased against the Tories who I despise with every fibre of my being.. so maybe I'm the idiot
after 4.5 years (which shocked me when I heard that today!), we are weeks away from finding out.
let’s have an idiot revealing party on Dec 31st. It’s not as if we are going out!
I wouldn't think you're an idiot for believing it, most people I know from the UK seem to think its still possible. - including my family.
From the outside looking in (I haven't lived in the UK for years) there are three weeks to go and it just ain't happening.
whatever happens we're a far cry from "the easiest deal in history" all the usual suspects were crowing about four years ago
The DM and Sun were both talking up no deal to their readers with nationalistic bollocks this weekend.well, I might be wrong of course.. but nothing the Tories are doing looks like deal-making or diplomacy to me
I am, of course, extremely biased against the Tories who I despise with every fibre of my being.. so maybe I'm the idiot
The spin is going to be unbearable this week. I still think we'll have some kind of agreement this week but we're such a farce that even if it was agreed we'd brief it wasn't just so we can claim a hard fought last minute concession.
The fish thing is so fecking stupid. It's an issue no one cares about but because Leave made it a big deal they'll no longer act reasonably on the matter.
The fishermen that bought quotas from british fishermen and are getting screwed care very much about it. The rest of the population may not care about them though.
The spin is going to be unbearable this week. I still think we'll have some kind of agreement this week but we're such a farce that even if it was agreed we'd brief it wasn't just so we can claim a hard fought last minute concession.
It might be they will and never had a problem with it but can use it as a concession later and expect reciprocity on something they do have a problem with.
Or it might be the EU is doing the loaded naming trick where what they class as a level playing field isn't.
All we know for certain is that historically EU has never really had a problem with state aid and protectionism. The majority of the money it has spent while the UK was in the EU has been on state subsidies.
Well yeah but mainly meant from the British side. For us it's a completely fabricated issue used as simplistic symbolism for our sovereignty because the plebs can't understand the rest.
On any issue now the default brexiteer argument is "they still don't get it's about our sOveReIGnTy".
Announce No Deal!
isnt the internal market bill due back to parliament tonight as well?Boris and Ursula speaking at 4pm UK time, day of reckoning.
isnt the internal market bill due back to parliament tonight as well?
I can imagine Boris wanting to extend talks by 24 hours... push through the bill tonight then basically agree whatever is on the table already tomorrow so he can spin it that he forced last minute concessions from the EU (then dropping all the illegal stuff in the bill as it will be made redundant by a deal)
Not sure I can see the EU going for that but as others have said its about spin and posturing now
Introducing a contraflow is not something we want to do but it has become the necessary thing to do. The uncertainty we face means we have to take every step to protect the port and town of Holyhead from disruption.
This is a situation we have never faced before and while we have reasonable worst case forecasts that between 40 and 70% of hauliers could be turned away initially, the actual situation could be different.
The other twist to that story is that Gove is in Brussels today to arrange with his EU counterpart about the inception of the Northern Ireland Protcol by 31st.
If the Uk were insane enough to implement the internal market bill they'd be shooting themselves in the foot yet again damaging not only their relations with the EU but a knock-on effect with the rest of the world.
Exhibit A is that useless bustard David Davis in the Sun today claiming "Britain has tried to behave in a civilised manner so as to avoid an acrimonious break-up.The spin is going to be unbearable this week. I still think we'll have some kind of agreement this week but we're such a farce that even if it was agreed we'd brief it wasn't just so we can claim a hard fought last minute concession.
Other gems include: "We should be very rapidly seeking deals with Australia, New Zealand — all of our old friends and ask them: “Can you supply the things that France supplies?”
We’ll suddenly find cheaper and better wine, cheeses and other products.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13402861/david-davis-nothing-fear-no-deal-brexit/
Exhibit A is that useless bustard David Davis in the Sun today claiming "Britain has tried to behave in a civilised manner so as to avoid an acrimonious break-up.
"That is not true of the European Union — on the contrary it has behaved unreasonably from the beginning."
Other gems include: "We should be very rapidly seeking deals with Australia, New Zealand — all of our old friends and ask them: “Can you supply the things that France supplies?”
We’ll suddenly find cheaper and better wine, cheeses and other products.
And if we go global, we can repeat that for every country in Europe.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13402861/david-davis-nothing-fear-no-deal-brexit/
We casually destroyed our own manufacturing and mining industries, which employed so many hundreds of thousands of people and supported whole villages and towns. Now we're chest-beating over the sea fishing industry, which is of course important to those who are in it - but that's only about 12,000 people actually working on registered fishing vessels (according to the official Gov site).Well yeah but mainly meant from the British side. For us it's a completely fabricated issue used as simplistic symbolism for our sovereignty because the plebs can't understand the rest.
On any issue now the default brexiteer argument is "they still don't get it's about our sOveReIGnTy".