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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Hmm yes, me too.
Same
Think that will be the eventual outcome, because it now seems clear both sides have no where to go, except to lick their wounds, under the cover of Covid!
As the huge shit gets ever closer to the huge fan...
Brexit: 'Significant gaps' in UK's border plans
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421
Brexit: 'Significant gaps' in UK's border plans
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421
I still think there will be an extension - but packaged up in a way that the EU can say we backed down and asked to extend and the UK can say we are independent ... Im guessing something like an initial trading relationship - which is the same as now for a year or two as finer details of a long term trading relationship are ironed out (basically an extension)
We will accept the level playing field (but ignore it) and we will claim all our fishing waters (but allow our EU colleagues to fish there pretty much as we do now) and then in a year or two we have the same troubles again as we still wont have improved port infrastructure, trained people, or have agreement on a long term deal... rinse repeat for a decade or so and we rejoin
Not sure about that. Boris has shown how incredibly stubborn he can be. And any extension would be a massive U Turn. The fact is that this country is just drifting aimlessly toward a catastrophic exit from the EU with little or no sign of a mitigated outcome.
We are just going to have to realise that all of this was a self inflicted mistake and take the medicine.
If lorry parks will only be needed until 2025 that means one of three things.
1. The UK will no longer trade at all with the EU by 2025.
2. The UK would have rejoined the Customs Union by 2025.
3. The UK government doesn't know what Brexit entails and are totally incompetent.
Please cast your votes.
Don't think there's any chance of this. For a start whether there is any kind of trade deal or not, the UK leaves the Customs Union at the end of this year and thus all the Customs related problems have to be resolved by the end of this year.
FT: UK plan to undermine withdrawal treaty threatens Brexit trade talks
See full article at link above.
See full article at link above.
When in doubt, pick a fight with the EU.
This Government is an absolute shambles. Can you imagine the mess we will be in with no deal. They negotiate a deal with NI and now go back on it and they expect to be trusted with other deals. 
Not been here in a while. You just knew we would renege on the agreement. We are a hopeless country.
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why on earth would the EU accept to that? Its evident that the UK isn't interested in a UK-EU deal. Stalling the inevitable will only contribute in the UK getting more time to prepare itself thus strengthening the hand of a competitor.
I hope the EU stops bothering, call Boris' bluff, and he can deal with whatever comes from that. I was really sad when the UK voted to leave, don't think I can see Westminster leave soon enough at this point.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0907/1163607-brexit-landbridge-protocol-transition/
They're trying to basically bully Ireland now too. But sure.. what's new.
They're trying to basically bully Ireland now too. But sure.. what's new.
Yeah, it’s pretty obvious that in a messy no-deal scenario where UK trucks are backing up at Dover, the UK would effectively push Irish trucks to the back of the queue.
The importance of the ‘land bridge’ across UK territory to Irish exports is one of the few genuine bits of leverage the UK has.
Why does Johnson keep referring to an Australian type deal. More b*ll*cks to feed the dumbo Brexiters.
(For info Australia and EU are just entering the 8th round of talks on a FTA , which of course the UK will no longer be a part of.)
Hope no Brits are planning a holiday outside the UK over NewYear, if Boris renege's on the WA the UK's borders will be closed - but not by the UK- take back control!
(For info Australia and EU are just entering the 8th round of talks on a FTA , which of course the UK will no longer be a part of.)
Hope no Brits are planning a holiday outside the UK over NewYear, if Boris renege's on the WA the UK's borders will be closed - but not by the UK- take back control!
Who could have seen this coming? One in a million chance!
This Government is an absolute shambles. Can you imagine the mess we will be in with no deal. They negotiate a deal with NI and now go back on it and they expect to be trusted with other deals.
Could not have put it better myself.
Honesty. How on earth can Boris believe that leaving with no deal can be a good outcome. He and his party must seriously believe that the EU negotiators are total amateurs and have not already understood the rediculous game that the UK are playing.
It is a typically bullying mentality and fools no one.
We all knew this was coming, I'd rather they just announce no deal at this point to let everyone attempt to prepare for the fallout.
This is a great thread:
It gets worse...
Brexit: Ministers plan laws overriding part of withdrawal deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54051933
Brexit: Ministers plan laws overriding part of withdrawal deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54051933
This post hasn't aged well. In only a few days. Time will tell, but its not looking as good as Guido told you it would be, is it?
hummm to be fair my position mirrors that of Ian Dunt off remaninacs - perfectly possible there wont be a deal but in the balance of probability I still feel some fudge will appear at the last minute
I honestly thought that the Withdrawal Agreement would be respected, even if there was no trade deal, what with it being needed to maintain the Good Friday Agreement and being part of International Law. Silly me.
At the Downing Street lobby briefing the prime minister’s spokesman said that Boris Johnson had always made it clear that he did not want Northern Ireland exporter to have to fill in exit summary declarations, or tariffs to apply to goods moving from Britain to Northern Ireland, and that therefore the EU could not object to London interpreting the withdrawal agreement in this way. The spokesman said:
"The PM has always been publicly clear about what our interpretation of both the withdrawal agreement and the Northern Ireland protocol was. For example, he publicly set out that there would be no export summary declarations on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain, and he also ruled out tariffs on goods moving from GB to NI on several occasions. He set out those positions in advance of the EU signing the withdrawal agreement. They did so with full knowledge of the prime minister’s position."
Johnson made comments along these lines on various occasions, most famously when he spoke at a Northern Ireland drinks reception during the 2019 general election campaign. In this clip he said there would be no tariffs on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland - although here he clarified that there would be an exemption for goods subsequently going to Ireland. On other occasions he implied there would be no tariffs period on any goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland.
At this Northern Ireland drinks reception Johnson also said that, if any exporter was told by an official to fill in an exit summary declaration for goods being sent to GB, they should tell that official to ring him up as prime minister and he would “direct them to throw that form in the bin”
But the point about these claims made by the PM before the withdrawal agreement was signed is that, when Johnson did say these things, it was widely reported that what he was saying was wrong because he was ignoring what the text of the agreement actually said. See, for example, this Belfast Telegraph story about his tariffs claim, or this Guardian story about his exit summary declarations claims.
No 10 now seems to be using comments that at the time were dismissed as gaffes as evidence of consistency in its policy making. This is unusual, to say the least. Normally, if the PM makes an error, you correct the error. Here it is more a case of No 10 correcting the policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ement-as-just-tidying-up-loose-ends-live-news
"The PM has always been publicly clear about what our interpretation of both the withdrawal agreement and the Northern Ireland protocol was. For example, he publicly set out that there would be no export summary declarations on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain, and he also ruled out tariffs on goods moving from GB to NI on several occasions. He set out those positions in advance of the EU signing the withdrawal agreement. They did so with full knowledge of the prime minister’s position."
Johnson made comments along these lines on various occasions, most famously when he spoke at a Northern Ireland drinks reception during the 2019 general election campaign. In this clip he said there would be no tariffs on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland - although here he clarified that there would be an exemption for goods subsequently going to Ireland. On other occasions he implied there would be no tariffs period on any goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland.
At this Northern Ireland drinks reception Johnson also said that, if any exporter was told by an official to fill in an exit summary declaration for goods being sent to GB, they should tell that official to ring him up as prime minister and he would “direct them to throw that form in the bin”
But the point about these claims made by the PM before the withdrawal agreement was signed is that, when Johnson did say these things, it was widely reported that what he was saying was wrong because he was ignoring what the text of the agreement actually said. See, for example, this Belfast Telegraph story about his tariffs claim, or this Guardian story about his exit summary declarations claims.
No 10 now seems to be using comments that at the time were dismissed as gaffes as evidence of consistency in its policy making. This is unusual, to say the least. Normally, if the PM makes an error, you correct the error. Here it is more a case of No 10 correcting the policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ement-as-just-tidying-up-loose-ends-live-news
The report on this in my Dutch newspaper mentions that Brexit politicians don't care anymore for Scottish or NI feelings on any of this; they're doing whatever they think it takes to manouver the UK into a stronger position long-term for international trade deal agreements - at whatever cost. The implication seemed to be that the current UK government doesn't mind if this ultimately leads to NI and Scotland splitting off. Is that a good assessment of things? It seems particularly reckless and narrow-minded.
Yes it is - this is generally an English thing - the Scots and Northern Irish voted against it and nothing since the vote has done either Scotland or NI any favors - particularly NI who appear to be stuck in the middle of a mess they didn't want because people in England (Politicians I mean) with basically no clue about the day to day reality of the border in Ireland playing God
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Well, I know that part. But previously, keeping the UK together seemed pretty important. Or did they never really care about losing Scotland, and did they just pretend to care about NI because of Tories needed the DUP for their majority previously?
In the end, I'm wondering if the Tories are really, seriously putting the UK at risk (Brexit first!), or if this is all paper talk and either everybody knows Scotland and NI aren't going anywhere anyway or the Tories will relent before seriously risking secession.
I don't think they care at all to be honest. They certainly would be more than happy to see the back of NI. There is a very real possibility of Scotland getting another referendum in the next 2/3 years and who knows how they would vote now. If Scotland vote to leave the UK then Sinn Fein will be all over a border poll so it could be a domino effect.
The other advantage of just having a polity made up of England and Wales is that you are pretty much guaranteed an in-built Conservative majority. Labour (with a couple of exceptions) have needed Scottish seats for them to govern. Scottish independence would mean Labour would have to markedly change its electoral strategies.
Instead of HS2 it'll be HW2 (Hadrian's Wall 2)
The problem with this narrative is of course that Wales voted leave. So half the countries in the UK with circa 90% of the population of the UK voted majority leave. As did 35% of Scotland and 44% of Northern Ireland.
It has taken 4 years to get to this point in the process of leaving so it has not been rushed through really has it?
There are certain myths around brexit which just will not die no matter how many times you show they are not really true. This perception that only English people wanted Brexit is one of them and much loved by the pro EU crowd it is.
The majority of A B and C1 social classes also voted leave and yet the assumption that it is the poor who voted leave also continues unabated.
Retired English people living in Wales voted leave, otherwise Wales would have been majority remain
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-brexit-vote-caused-by-english-retirees-oxford-university/