Yeah but that's not how the real world works. The WA and a potential trade deal are two separate things, the WA is signed and has been concluded a long time ago, no amount of buzzwords from Theresa will change that.
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Yeah but that's not how the real world works. The WA and a potential trade deal are two separate things, the WA is signed and has been concluded a long time ago, no amount of buzzwords from Theresa will change that.
Over 500,000 English people live in Wales. Wales has a total population of just over 3 million.
To the EU maybe, but not to the UK Government!
The EU kept saying we cannot negotiate a TD with you whilst you are a member of the EU, leave pay us what you owe and then we negotiate with you as a separate country. That does not seem to be happening as according to 'leakage' from No.10 the EU still want to dictate specific issues, on matters that they do not do with any other country.
Hence Theresa Mays words still hold "Nothings agreed, until everything is agreed" as the overall UK position.
This kind of nonsense is to be expected though, since both sides have been talking to the back of each others heads since day one.
What planet do you live on? Everything you've posted in this thread is complete and utter nonsense.
To everyone that signed the Withdrawal Agreement. And you do realize that the UK left the EU, the UK are a separate country.
I need to ask, do you think that the UK are still a member?
I begin to wonder sometimes!
I agree its all been nonsense (as I said in my last line) from the start, there is no way the EU could give us a deal that wasn't worse than we had as a member and there is no way we would accept any EU jurisdiction over how we run our country once we had left. Because both sides would have had to concede/compromise on their ultimate 'red line', and this is political unacceptable in Brussels and in London.
It was never going to happen, as all politicians (on both sides) led us to believe it would, both parties should have spent the two years transition time working out how we could continue to trade in some form or other, with each other, but under WO conditions.
It didn't happen then, it will happen now and be even more 'fecked-up' because of Covid.
(Alice in) Wonderland is the place we all reside now!
At this point the government simply needs to be called out as corrupt liars.
Once that fact is established and understood by all, we can move forward as a nation.
The government has gone off the deep end here with deciding to override key parts of the Withdrawal Agreement. I can't see it incentivising the EU to compromise in the negotiations.
To be honest as much as a mess as its going to be if we end up with no deal (though I still think there will be fudge / extension) I do think a no deal would actually make rejoining within a decade a possibility as I think that a lot of people when they voted to leave expected a deal would be done and if enough of thise turn on the government along with demographic changes then rejoin becomes possible (at least in a UK referendum - if the EU would actually want us back might be a different thing entirely)
I would guess most people over thirty years of age would recognize this about most governments (of whatever political persuasion) we have ever had... but strangely enough we keep on re-electing them... perhaps secretly we all want to be lied to, trusting it will be in our best interests and to avoid upsetting the children!
Well that begs the question, when did we leave, or how can we say we left if we are still taking/following EU rules?
This has been one of the big problems all the way through, how can a country that is still a member in terms of following EU rules, negotiate with a representative of its self?
Some clarification was given when on the 31st Jan 2020 we officially left.... but yet still for another year, we continue to follow EU rules?
At the end of this year (so we are told) we will have left everything 'EU'ish', behind, properly, completely, and without doubt.... that is unless Boris caves in, or is replaced as PM, or some new fangled extra transition extension (not called an extension though) is enacted... maybe now a new period to oversee how we move from the present position to some WO arrangement, that is not in fact a TD, but a series of mini/small scale deals based around certain products/services and varying between member countries within the EU?
But we will definitely be out because we are not taking EU rules anymore...or are we?
Boris has say 3/4 years before he has to put his government up for re-election to the general public, but possibly a lot less than that to stop some internal Tory Party Coup to get rid of him and replace him with someone deemed more competent. Either way he does have something of a period of grace to fudge something else with the EU that still involves us hanging on to EU coat-tails.
The catalyst for this will be the threat to attempt to 'unpick' the WA agreement by the UK government, this not only says to the UK public "see we are going to do this properly", but also to the EU, by saying "lets see if we can hang on a bit longer, even if we seem to be arguing over a 'done deal'..."who knows?
So you posted numerous posts about the subject without even understanding the most basic thing?
The UK left on January 31st after signing the withdrawal agreement on January 24th. That withdrawal agreements included a transition period during which the UK would benefit from the treaties that they signed as a member state, that transition period ends after December 31st 2020. Since February 1st the UK isn't a member of the EU.
Unlawfully suspending parliament to avoid parlimentary scrutiny on a deal which now the government themselves are saying is a terrible deal and they will break international law to avoid.
Taking back control? Give me a break.
That is exactly what those in control do...because they can, they play according to their rules, wake up and smell the coffee please
The trade negotiations between the UK and all the countries in the world, never mind the EU, will be mindblowing.
Country X: In order to export your goods to us they have to comply with our rules and regulations and the packaging and materials also have to comply with these other rules and regulations.
UK: How dare you, we are an independent country and you cannot tell us what we can or cannot do, we'll damn well ship to you anything we want to.
Country X: Goodbye.
Country X: In order to export your goods to us they have to comply with our rules and regulations and the packaging and materials also have to comply with these other rules and regulations.
UK: How dare you, we are an independent country and you cannot tell us what we can or cannot do, we'll damn well ship to you anything we want to.
Country X: Goodbye.
Been reading Boris 'playbook' again Paul?
Who did you vote for in the general election ?
Boris lives in his own world which is far detached from reality. Less than four months till reality smacks him in the face. What are the odds that he will still be PM in six months time? Although as time progresses the UK PM's get worse and worse. Odds on Grayling for next PM?
Whats going on with Gibralta - especially with this whole overblown fuss over fishing rights
Can the UK claim an exclusion zone around Gibralta and ban spanish fishing vessels - if so next summer is perfectly set up for the spanish armarda trying to steal our fish and chips and pritti patel et all wanting to send in the gunships
Gibralta is proper fecked without a deal though isnt it?
Can the UK claim an exclusion zone around Gibralta and ban spanish fishing vessels - if so next summer is perfectly set up for the spanish armarda trying to steal our fish and chips and pritti patel et all wanting to send in the gunships
Gibralta is proper fecked without a deal though isnt it?
Gibraltar.
The fishing question is complicated because many british fishermen sold their licenses, so it's a bit weird to talk about stealing, I assume that you are being facetious with that part but the distinction should be important for british authorities who should talk to fishermen unions directly and try to fix that issue.
I'm more talking about how boris will spin it in the press
That's why I assumed that you were being facetious with that term. But on a serious note, these quotas/licenses were purchased following british laws, so the british government should fix that issue if they care about the rules of law and fairness.
...yeah.
I know but I had to say it and assume that they care even a little bit. Particularly when I imagine that tories will make licenses/quotas still easily tradable since it was their idea in the first place.
The state aid argument is also hilarious. The UK hardly uses any of the state aid allowance that they can, additionally Tories + State Aid doesn't compute.
I think the big issue is the UK wants to do some things differently - particularly with tech companies and whilst state aid is often considered to prop up struggling businesses they want to proactivley invest in new sectors - the EU (rightly imo) sees that this could harm the organic development of those sectors in their own countries especially if the UK has access to the single market
How does it compare to the norm?
And what is it specifically they think is so unacceptable now that they hadn't realised before?
https://www.monckton.com/the-governments-new-state-aid-proposals-are-the-worst-of-all-worlds/
that sounds about right to me
that sounds about right to me
What do you mean by your first question and the government allegedly wants to rewrite the NI protocol and allow themselves to unilaterally decide about the questions concering the border and custom issues between the UK and the EU.
Oh I just meant how many senior govt folks resign in a typical term at this stage?
The whole NI thing then, nothing in the finer details? That's absurd. It was one of the main points of contention a year ago and they celebrated that resolution as negotiated win. Surely no-one could accept that with a straight face, whichever side they're on...
Surely breaking one of the first international agreements since the Brexit vote doesn't bode well for future negotiations with other countries for Britain.
Since yesterday I have tried to understand what it was actually about and my interpretation is that the government is realizing that they won't have a deal before the end of the transition period which means that the bad sides of the WA will kick in and they are mentioned in @sun_tzu quotes, from the moment they published the WA proposals it was obvious that neither side would like it but that tories would hate it because they either have to effectively separate NI from the rest of the UK or apply EU rules everywhere.
At every GE I vote against the Government...but they keeping getting in, so annoying!
Don't worry there are still plenty of sheep to go around.
This loose use of language by Brexiters does my head in, it enables them to completely miss the point. eg this business about 'following EU rules' - there is no way the EU is going to allow the UK to access the single market with subsidised industries that can unfairly compete with their own. That's what this 'State Aid' stuff is about. (Not even the WTO allows it). And we wouldn't allow it either! But this rather straightforward point about 'ensuring a level playing field' - which you would expect if you wanted to trade on an equal basis in a market - gets turned into a point about the unfair / domineering EU. It's madness.
They are wrong to do so. Good lord, it's not hard to get funding for a tech company if your idea is halfway decent, there's a giant amount of capital looking for a home. What this really is, is the govt (a) thinking it can pick winners (b) funding companies VCs don't want to touch - eg the rubbish ones. Such a big fight over such a bad, bad idea.