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Paul the Wolf said:
Thankfully doubt she has much chance of succeeding. Ignoring her racist views, she would be hopeless at running the country, has no idea.
However, I don't rate the other candidates too highly either.
As I said we'll have another 5 years of the same, whoever gets in. If Le Pen did get in it wouldn't really affect me anyway personally.
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It would make you look like I right idiot pontificating about Britain and brexit though, wouldn't it?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Why??? France aren't leaving the EU anytime soon, they're not that stupid
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Wow you must be really worried that France might actually make her President. She proposes Frexit and all the shite you posted about UKIP and then if France even lets FN into the last round never mind actually voting her into power, we would solve global warming by using your red cheeks as an alternative energy source.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Wow you must be really worried that France might actually make her President. She proposes Frexit and all the shite you posted about UKIP and then if France even lets FN into the last round never mind actually voting her into power, we would solve global warming by using your red cheeks as an alternative energy source.
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As I said before she has very little chance of becoming President.
I remember you calling me xenophobic before because I live in France which happens to be the same country as Le Pen lives in; still can't stop chuckling about that one.
So you are a Leaver pretending to have voted Remain so if it all goes wrong no-one can blame you, I get the thread of your narrative. What shite did I post, it was all true as has been shown and will be shown if the UK does eventually leave

If by some vague chance France does vote in Le Pen and even more remotely the French people decide to vote Leave as well, then you can't wait to have a laugh at me because I support the EU, some weird thinking here, especially for someone who voted Remain!!(who keeps championing Brexit) like a couple of other supposed Remain voters on here
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
As I said before she has very little chance of becoming President.
I remember you calling me xenophobic before because I live in France which happens to be the same country as Le Pen lives in; still can't stop chuckling about that one.
So you are a Leaver pretending to have voted Remain so if it all goes wrong no-one can blame you, I get the thread of your narrative. What shite did I post, it was all true as has been shown and will be shown if the UK does eventually leave

If by some vague chance France does vote in Le Pen and even more remotely the French people decide to vote Leave as well, then you can't wait to have a laugh at me because I support the EU, some weird thinking here, especially for someone who voted Remain!!(who keeps championing Brexit) like a couple of other supposed Remain voters on here
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Firstly, I think you said no chance and now you are watering it down.

Second, I called you on how superior you were being pontificating on how racist the UK was while living in France given the support there for FN.

Thirdly, Why wouldn't I pretend to be on the same side of the vote as you unless I was , lets face it there is no gain by association there?

Lastly, I'd be laughing at a man who living in France which then voted in any major way for the UK equivalent of the BNP castigated said former country as racist.

All valid, reasonable points however uncomfortable for you.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Firstly, I think you said no chance and now you are watering it down.

Second, I called you on how superior you were being pontificating on how racist the UK was while living in France given the support there for FN.

Thirdly, Why wouldn't I pretend to be on the same side of the vote as you unless I was , lets face it there is no gain by association there?

Lastly, I'd be laughing at a man who living in France which then voted in any major way for the UK equivalent of the BNP castigated said former country as racist.

All valid, reasonable points however uncomfortable for you.
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I said there is little chance, however, having overestimated the intelligence of the average British voter before the Referendum, as did Cameron , anything is possible.
I don't remember calling the whole of the UK as racist.
There are racist people in all countries of the world, in France , in the UK , in Germany or wherever.

People in the UK voted for Brexit for several different reasons or a combination of two or more reasons, one of which was immigration. Some wanted controlled immigration, some wanted to get rid of the immigrants altogether and others various degrees in between. As you believe no-one in the UK who voted for Brexit is remotely racist or that you think you should laugh at me because other french voters vote for the FN, this makes no sense whatsoever.
Your "thirdly"" point, no comprendo, did you vote Remain, yes or no, a simple answer will do.

As the FN currently have 2 seats in the National Assembly out of 577 it would be very difficult to form a government.
If by some wild chance where one opinion poll estimated they might somehow obtain 60 seats at the next election , doesn't seem enough somehow.

If the country did decide to hold a referendum in the future about leaving the EU, I believe everyone will wait to see how things work out for the UK first.
Should the UK become this utopian state then maybe France will follow suit. Should the UK have a different future than what Brexiters are expecting, then it would be unlikely that another country would follow suit.
Apparently it seems that we could all be in for a long wait before we find out
 
devilish said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has said the UK will support Turkey's bid to join the European Union despite voting to leave the bloc.
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good old boris

Mr Johnson also praised Turkey for making his "beautiful" and "very well-functioning" washing machine, in comments aimed at repairing relations between the two nations after he accused the Turkish president of having sex with a goat.
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In May, Mr Johnson won a £1,000 prize for a limerick about President Recep Tayyip Erdogan amid a free speech debate:

The limerick read: "There was a young fellow from Ankara.

Who was a terrific wankerer.

Till he sowed his wild oats.

With the help of a goat.

But he didn't even stop to thankera."
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How can such beautiful and highly intellectual country end up in the hands of the likes of boris, may and big Sam?
 
Massive Spanner said:
Their latest referendum results say otherwise.
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Its a highly intellectual country. The country of a prestigious history, the most beautiful of languages, great culture, absolute superb universities everyone envy (Oxford, Cambridge, University of London etc) and a great economy. Which shocks all those who love this country why such brainfarts are allowed
 
devilish said:
Its a highly intellectual country. The country of a prestigious history, the most beautiful of languages, great culture, absolute superb universities everyone envy (Oxford, Cambridge, University of London etc) and a great economy. Which shocks all those who love this country why such brainfarts are allowed
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I thought this was a pretty good debate about some of the reasons why Brexit happened.

 
Stanley Road said:
That's not what the article is about plus we were all lied to that the immediate effect of an exit vote would be plague, locusts and certain death
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Many predicted that Boris would become Prime Minister and he would immediately activate article 50 as he promised (and TBF to him as he wants even now). A hard Brexit would quickly followed and the forecasts were based on that. No one could have predicted the funfare that followed after the referendum.

The forecasts were wrong because nothing happened just yet. The UK is still in the EU

You can't really blame the experts for believing the Brexiters can't you? Even Gove thought that leaving the single market was crazy, while one of the first things Farage did (After resigning) was to quickly pop in the Germany embassy. Time and time again it showed that the UK was totally unprepared for an eventual Brexit win and the forecasts reflected that.
 
devilish said:
Many predicted that Boris would become Prime Minister and he would immediately activate article 50 as he promised (and TBF to him as he wants even now). A hard Brexit would quickly followed and the forecasts were based on that. No one could have predicted the funfare that followed after the referendum.

The forecasts were wrong because nothing happened just yet. The UK is still in the EU

You can't really blame the experts for believing the Brexiters can't you? Even Gove thought that leaving the single market was crazy, while one of the first things Farage did (After resigning) was to quickly pop in the Germany embassy. Time and time again it showed that the UK was totally unprepared for an eventual Brexit win and the forecasts reflected that.
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Read the article again, it says in the first paragraph or so that the expected tsunami from a brexit vote, a vote, an actual event that has happened
 
Stanley Road said:
Read the article again, it says in the first paragraph or so that the expected tsunami from a brexit vote, a vote, an actual event that has happened
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And I answered to that already. People (me included) believed that a brexit vote would quickly translate into a quick activation of article 50. That didn't occur. The uk is still in the eu and its still hesitating in leaving the single market
 
Muppet. We're in a situation atm where we voted to play Monopoly but haven't actually unboxed the game yet to witness the family arguments and fallout. All we've had so far is the vote to play Monopoly and the initial argument about why the feck anyone would want to play that cursed game.
 
When did Vote Leave or one of its leading figures state that Article 50 would be activated immediately?

Cameron was pushing the idea, true, yet given his government's total lack of preparedness we can but conclude it to have been a complete fib/tactic.
 
The doomsday scenario painted by the stay campaign was certainly deliberately inaccurate. I don´t think that there is any reason to hold on to this vision and there is not reason to justify these tactics of scaremongering. That doesn´t mean, that there aren't very real negative consequences. There was a small bump the days after the vote, but the real change happens slowly and not with one big bang. It is easy to ignore these things so. The idea that nothing changed is imo quite shallow and ignores all the indicators that point towards a negative development. The investment climate for GB certainly took a hit and the consequences will be that well-paid full time jobs might be created somewhere else.
Despite the slow pace of change, at the moment there is also the very real prospect, that GB stays in the single market, which obviously means that very little would change anyway.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
When did Vote Leave or one of its leading figures state that Article 50 would be activated immediately?

Cameron was pushing the idea, true, yet given his government's total lack of preparedness we can but conclude it to have been a complete fib/tactic.
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It was pretty obvious. The leavers portrayed the EU as some sort of oppressive regime that they couldn't wait to leave. Arguments about the imminent arrival of hordes of Turkish people to the EU, the settin up of an evil eu stormtrooper army and the promise of 350m a week to a financially starved NHS suggested that they couldn't wait to activate article 50 and get on with it.

Even now leavers like Farage, Boris and Davis are growing impatient about May's reluctance to activate article 50. However no one dares pushing the remainer for action cause brexit means brexit whatever that means
 
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devilish said:
It was pretty obvious. The leavers portrayed the EU as some sort of oppressive regime that they couldn't wait to leave. Arguments about the imminent arrival of hordes of Turkish people to the EU and the 350m a week to a financially starved NHS were made which suggested that they couldn't wait to activate article 50 and get on with it.

Even now leavers like Farage, Boris and Davis are growing impatient about May's reluctance to activate article 50
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Or if summed up in far fewer words...it was not not actually the stance of Leave to activate Article 50 immediately. You are arguing a point solely on the projection of your own views and interpretation.
 
devilish said:
It was pretty obvious. The leavers portrayed the EU as some sort of oppressive regime that they couldn't wait to leave. Arguments about the imminent arrival of hordes of Turkish people to the EU, the settin up of an evil eu stormtrooper army and the promise of 350m a week to a financially starved NHS suggested that they couldn't wait to activate article 50 and get on with it.

Even now leavers like Farage, Boris and Davis are growing impatient about May's reluctance to activate article 50. However no one dares pushing the remainer for action cause brexit means brexit whatever that means
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So you though, from the campaign that it would be triggered immediately rather than anyone having said that.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Or if summed up in far fewer words...it was not not actually the stance of Leave to activate Article 50 immediately. You are arguing a point solely on the projection of your own views and interpretation.
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God knows what the leavers had in mind. According from abstracts of Craig Oliver's book, Boris committed himself to Cameron's cause few minutes before declaring to Brexit. Also Gove confessed that the economy would go tits up if the UK doesn't remain in the single market. At one point Boris even promised a second referendum after he had brought a better deal from the EU while Farage committed himself for a second referendum if the result is close. Then the argument dived to fire and brimstone, with allegations that the EU is set to give visas to an entire horde of Turkish people (now Boris seem keen of having Turkey in the EU), the imminent setting up of a EU stormtrooper army which the UK need to bail out quickly from and the financial injection of a 350m a week to the NHS, which the NHS desperately needs like yesterday. That gave the impression that the UK cant wait to leave the EU and if given power they will turn words into action immediately. Now all we're hearing is Brexit means Brexit with the occasional brainfart from Davis/Boris who is quickly rebuked by May.

Everything seem so amateur made and so a spare of the moment thing. The only people who genuinely seem to want Brexit are the other EU members who are urging the UK to start the dances by activating article 50. If there's such a great world outside the EU why would the UK be so afraid to press the button on the nazi EU regime and get over it?
 
Michael Gove stated quite explicitly that Article 50 would not be activated in the immediate aftermath of a vote, actually during the campaign.
 
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