Yeah we hardly have any doctors, nurses, dentists and it type folk from out of the eu... it's all mail order brides
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I have seen that several times, there has been nothing to weather, nothing has changed yet.
Yet despite nothing happening our currency has been consistently 8-10% lower than at any time in the last 3 years whilst a number of companies have already decided to leave the UK for Europe with the subsequent job losses. But then as Will himself has already said on this page, a weak pound is a bonus for exporters which is just great for a nation that produces next to feck all and is a net importer by a huge amount.
When the cost of living increases due to the weaker pound hitting our household bills I'm sure we'll be regaled with tales of how that means we will all benefit from pay rises in the near future. I'm sure when the storm does begin we'll see all the Brexit supporters claiming it's only a passing shower and that they can already see the silver lining behind the cloud.
@devilish @Sweet Square
May said that she wants the UK to be 'a global leader' not 'the global leader'. It is hardly outlandish to say that.
@JPRouve @Bury Red
Many did predict that the troubles would start straight after the vote. The belief was that consumer confidence would be broken but that hasn't happened.
May said that she wants the UK to be 'a global leader' not 'the global leader'. It is hardly outlandish to say that.
@JPRouve @Bury Red
Many did predict that the troubles would start straight after the vote. The belief was that consumer confidence would be broken but that hasn't happened.
This post is basically a checklist of every Brexit cliché going.
Well, the widely predicted catastrophic loss of confidence in the future of the British economy hasn't occurred. Which is important since it influences the behaviour of both people on the high streets and British industry. British people are continuing to buy and British companies to invest.
a- I cant see how a nation of 60m+ customers can be a leader of anything on a global level to be honest
b- Many predicted that the Brexiteers will keep their word and activate article 50 immediately.
The Brexiters spent 40 years arguing for a rerun
Once again nothing happened, I'm not telling you that Armageddon will come because I have no idea about what is going to happen. But you are being silly, we are in a status quo and you claim that you weathered something that hasn't happened, you haven't left the EU, you haven't exposed any plan and there is no time frame.
well. I wonder why Mike Carney went nuts after the vote.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...dum-bank-of-england-mark-carney-a7171596.html
A preemptive action, I guess.
They're off building arks and buying locust repellentJust popped in the thread for a laugh.
Seems the main Brexiters have on the whole disappeared from the thread and the staunchest apologists for Brexit keep claiming they voted Remain
Or maybe they got tired of negativity
a) The UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, fact! Why can't you comprehend that? There is nothing arrogant whatsoever about what Theresa May said in light of that.
b) Sorry but the sky was predicted by many to be falling in by now with or without article 50 being activated. Now I think that Brexit will cause economic pain but so far the storm has been weathered.
More likely they probably got bored and suddenly realised that if anything does happen other than the pound weakening it's going to take several years- if indeed the UK actually does leave at all.
On the other hand some probably think the UK has already left.
I haven't weathered anything; I'm not British, just an interested spectator.
I think the point I made was clear. Before the vote, Remain supporters talked about the damaging effects on the economy starting the day after the British people voted to leave: for instance, George Osburne declared his intention of introducing an emergency budget to counter the damaging loss of confidence which would immediately follow a leave vote. None of that has happened.
Oh I understand. From the beginning I thought that it was nonsense, you will only see a change in good or bad when the article 50 is invoked and the real negotiations start, the real actors aren't kneejerks and they were never going to react violently to a referendum.
I think that was Osbornes way of either scaremongering or a chance to heap more austerity measures on the unfortunates that did not vote tory.
There are 5 or 6 largest economies ahead. A chunk of rich countries are united under the eu banner. Also youre neither among the biggest markets nor among the most promising ones. Basically most countries think that Brexit is idiotic and that the uk is lead by stupid people who are Stuck in a world that doesn't exist. How the he'll can you become global leaders of anything
As said the vast majority thought that you would activate article 50 immediately. That was one of the many promises being made. Sure as he'll no one believed you would suffer from cold feet
Who on earth wants a really strong pound? It's madness and a bit of an obsession for yourself
Anybody who imports stuff
And as we are a net importer effectively the vast majority of us benefit from a strong pound.. Eg petrol
When you import more than you export, a strong pound is pretty sweet. A "weak" currency is good when you export a lot, like China.
No it's not, I actually ordered some furniture from the Uk today and personally benefitted from the weaker pound. From a personal standpoint I have no reliance on the UK whatsoever and whether they fail or succeed is immaterial.
From a UK point of view, the pound being weak is not an advantage as being a net importer the costs will be considerably higher. Unless the Uk has become completely self sufficient in all the materials they need to produce the limited amount of goods they do produce a weaker pound is going to be a disadvantage. And for those Brits venturing outside their borders their expenses will be higher too.
However, it looks as if it will be a long wait before anything happens one way or another, if at all
as I have said before, I remember 1.05. it recovered
aggregates in economies always change slowly. If you follow the press, you can see that actually quite a bit changed already. Obviously no company just fired their employees, but some investment is on halt and the outlook is fairly negative. Carney fired the first round of his bazooka, because else the outlook would be even worse. Considering that the bank of England struggles to find enough bonds to purchase, he´ll need to find new ammunition, if he wants to react to any future shock.
Now it is important to understand what "bad" means. Losing 5-10% GDP growth over the next decade would be pretty bad and this is currently absolutely possible. Britain will continue to be one of the richest country of the world, but that was never in doubt. Considering that nothing substantial happened in the political realm, the economy is flapping quite a bit. I have rarely seen the people in business and finance to be more uncertain and anxious about the next few years. That is never a good sign.
It did indeed, but the UK didn't leave the EU then , will it recover from below parity if it leaves the EU
this is the questionI don't give a shit whether you believe me or not but you could go on the referendum thread where I posted my vote on the day. I hadn't realised we had even appointed the internet warriors with special responsibility for uncovering secret racists Brexit voters. My mistake.
The problem with this thread is that every detail of negative news post Brexit is seen as backing for remain voters beliefs. While similar items showing the opposite are trashed as nonsense. Just in case anyone was interested in using the thread title not as an instruction to fall out with each other but to keep up with events I thought I might hint that there is another way of looking at things if people have a mind to.
If you want an example look at the weight given to the various confidence surveys when they showed a fall in confidence and compare it to the weight the recovery of those indicators receives in this thread.
And as Merkel's home state votes AFD into second place above her party while its leader has called for migrants to be shot at the border no comment, nor the marching in France against the migrant camps.
I loathe Farage and have voted Labour in every election (might not the next one because of JC) and I get my news mainly from the BBC.
You seem to want to be having an argument with someone though so get on with it.
I'm not crying at anything you post because I love a good meltdown and the state of some of posts on here from as it happens remain voters is side splittingly funny.
I can't disagree with what you are saying, but that's nothing, like you suggested the real reactions are to come. The uncertainty isn't good and creates some minor hiccups, but depending on how the brexit is handled the fabled monsoon (I don't see an actual storm) could happen.
If you like it or not there is nothing wrong with a country the economic size of the UK stating that it wants to be a global leader in anything. There is nothing arrogant or imperialist about it. Sorry to disappoint you.
Any politician with half a brain knew that article 50 would not be activated immediately. IIRC correctly Carswell tweeted to that effect immediately after the vote. Again, like it or not, the initial storm has been weathered. That is not to say that hard times are not ahead.
No it reached 1.05 from withinIt did indeed, but the UK didn't leave the EU then , will it recover from below parity if it leaves the EU
Yes I know but that may seem quite a high level in the future
a- there is, because the market is far too small and there's not plenty of room to grow. The future is heading towards unions (USA, EU) or emerging huge markets (China, India). The UK is heading to isolation.
b- well that's not what the Brexiters said, expected and promised. There again I wonder sometimes if some actually wanted article 50 to be evoked or have an idea what Brexit means. Boris looked shocked when Brexit won while Davis seem to learn along the way. Thornberry summarised it perfectly in this quote
“When there is no evidence of sound planning by the government, no detail whatsoever on the deal they want to strike, the strategy for achieving that deal or the reasons for rushing it through, parliament must have more than a say on those issues,” she said. “We must have a vote.”
She accused the prime minister of “literally making up policy on immigration, tax and NHS spending” during a plane journey to the G20 summit in China. “So we know some of the things they are not going to do. No points-based immigration system, no extra money for the NHS, but when will they tell us what they are going to do?”
What a mess
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The storm, if it's coming, hasnt hit yet mate. If big corporations start relocating lots pf jobs will go.
Still phoning in your sneering attitude and your furniture orders from across the Channel I see.
Why would anyone "think the UK has already left"? Is it because you think they're thick?
I am so surprised no one mentioned Merkel yet. Another sign people are sick of the norm
No there isn't. There is nothing wrong with ambition. For God's sake man, what do you expect the leader of the country to do, start crying in the corner because @devilish @RedCafe thinks the sky is going to fall in for Britain.
You are right though that the emerging superpowers should overtake us but that should happen (remember that they have failed to meet expectations so far) if we are in the EU or not.
The 'isolation' doom mongers are especially annoying, like if you are not in the EU you suddenly become isolationist, it is bollocks frankly. The U.K. will continue to be a multi cultural country trading with the world whatever the case. Some of the Brexiteers might be fooling themselves otherwise but you are both are dead wrong IMO.
Yes I'd love to be a Manchester United player. That doesn't mean that its realistic to happen especially if I keep shooting at my feet with a .500 Magnum
The world is going into unions of countries. It worked successfully in the past (case in point is the USA but also, ironically, the UK) and this model is being copied by almost everybody. The African Union, the Union of South American nations, Asean. A bigger market gives countries a bigger market, a bigger market translates into more power. No one talks of sovereignty and 'getting back control'. Its so little ...you know
The UK cannot change its geographical location and sure as hell it can't change its history which may bring an element of mistrust to some countries. It will become that island stuck between two financial powerhouses which are the EU and the USA. Both will co-operate on somethings and disagree on others. Even now the US said that a trade deal with the UK is not a priority. I wont be surprised if the EU thinks the same about this so called global leader
And I sincerely do not wish the sky to fall on Britain and I had made friends with people who live here. Thank god I can move if things get wrong. Unfortunately unlike me (and Farage who seem to make sure to retain his freedom of movement) they don't. They are stuck here
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Even if that is true there is no value in being defeatist and I would not expect that from the leader of any country. You have to fight your corner come what may.
I see you prefer the David Moyes school of management.
Its not about being defeatist but simply about being realistic. Moyes is an idiot but so was Keegan with his 'score one goal more then you' idiocy. Ironically both are British.
Seriously, the UK cant be a global leader. Its a prosperous country and will probably remain so in the years to come irrespective of Brexit but it cant lead anybody really, not outside a bloc. There will be always someone whose bigger or richer then it is. Learning and embracing such place isn't that bad. It means accepting one's limits and work around that by being more flexible, smarter, faster. That's what made my country a success story in the most troublesome area in the EU. We got a lower unemployment rate than both the UK and Germany.
And I sincerely do not wish the sky to fall on Britain. I live here and I had made friends with people who live here. Thank god, if shit does hit fan, I can move elsewhere. Unfortunately unlike me (and Farage who seem to make sure to retain his freedom of movement) my friends cant. They are stuck here
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So are you still in France wondering if you're gonna be booted out?