We want to expand our population and address skill shortages at the same time. We also struggle with less skilled migration despite the fact that we find it impossible to fill many jobs locals won't do.
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We want to expand our population and address skill shortages at the same time. We also struggle with less skilled migration despite the fact that we find it impossible to fill many jobs locals won't do.
That's what crossed my mind when I heard it.
Davis wants free trade but control on everything else.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...since-brexit-vote-poll-suggests-politics-live
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...since-brexit-vote-poll-suggests-politics-live
The drop in the value of the pound is hugely beneficial to exporters and will more than compensate for low levels of duty imposed in any post Brexit deals. Right now British exporters must be living the dream while those heavily reliant on imported inputs may be struggling.
I asked this in the Labour thread but got no takers:
What do the Corbynistas make of his performance around Brexit since the vote? Whilst he is prattling on about trains and drinks after work Chukka Umunna is quietly getting on with putting together a body to hold the Tories to account on the shape of Brexit.
No, I think you just don't want to back up your statements.
Eh?
Why is that irrelevant?
Davis says he does not accept that there is a trade off between controlling immigration and boosting free trade. A free trade deal is in the interests of both sides, he says.
Oh yeah. I was going to reply to you on that one. His performance in response to Brexit has been, as far as I can gather, pretty lacklustre so far. The call on the morning of the referendum result to immediately invoke article 50 was idiotic. However Corbyn's whole spiel at the moment is increasing democratic engagement within the Labour party itself (and any future Labour government) so he cannot take the stance some on the centre left would probably like him to of "Let's ask the people again so that they answer correctly". There is also very little concrete to say in response to Brexit at the moment. Ideally he nurtures a good relationship with Umunna's body (
) and presents a Labour Brexit solution that preserves the rights and protections the EU gives us whilst also defending our economy as much as possible.As it stands, as the Conservatives won't tell us anything more than "Brexit means Brexit" it is hard for Corbyn to oppose anything and unreasonable to expect the Labour party to present a more coherent solution for Brexit when numerous government departments (including a brand spanking new one, dedicated to the task) don't have a fecking clue either.
It's so quiet that no one has heard it.
He might say that, but there is no way we are getting tariff free access to the single market and passporting without concessions on the movement of people
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I just get the impression that he isn't interested full stop. He should be using forceful rhetoric on the matter IMO. The Tories cannot deliver on Brexit promises made by the leave campaign and politically speaking it is a great opportunity for Labour to go after them on it. Not only that but kicking up a storm around the issue is what the majority of Labour voters want so we might be able to wriggle out of the bloody situation.
Alas, Jeremy wants to play with his trains.
I just get the impression that he isn't interested full stop. He should be using forceful rhetoric on the matter IMO. The Tories cannot deliver on Brexit promises made by the leave campaign and politically speaking it is a great opportunity for Labour to go after them on it. Not only that but kicking up a storm around the issue is what the majority of Labour voters want so we might be able to wriggle out of the bloody situation.
Alas, Jeremy wants to play with his trains.
The buffoon is still convinced he can keep the single market but restrict free movement. The mad thing is I think he really believes it.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...since-brexit-vote-poll-suggests-politics-live
This is the second time he was caught with his pants down. The first time it was when he thought he could do trade deals with individual EU countries. Surely the UK can find someone whose less rookie then this guy.
This guy is so green that he pisses grass
This is the second time he was caught with his pants down. The first time it was when he thought he could do trade deals with individual EU countries. Surely the UK can find someone whose less rookie then this guy.
This guy is so green that he pisses grass
He's getting there. However he's deluded enough to think that the tariffs won't make a difference.
Davis says the single market is there for everyone. Some countries that are not members of the single market are better at selling into it than countries that are members.
I'm not a massive fan of Corbyn(Although I have now voted twice for him) but.......
1. The Labour turn out for Remain was ok/good, if I remember correctly it was about 2/3 of Labour voters voted Remain(It was Tory and Ukip voters plus a lack of young voters that swung the referendum to exit).
2. It's well slightly difficult at the moment for Corbyn to challenge the Tories as right after the referendum his party tried to kick him out, even though as already mentioned the turn out was decent(Funny enough I didn't heard cries of resign to Alan Johnston who the head of Labours In Campaign). Also after the attempted ''coup'' they(PLP)decide to have what seems to be one of the most pointless leadership challenge of all time.
But yeah man does funny thing on train and it's all his fault.
He is right, countries with a lot of petrol/gas or huge markets like China, the US or Brazil.
Cheers. Yeah I completely agree.
Also being a foreigner living over here, the bit in bold is very noticeable.
Following the Guardian's feed, Davis is basically saying that he doesn't want to have anything to do with the single market.
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He seems to want it but is conceding that he might not get it
he is imo one of those European libertarian nut-jobs, who have utterly backwards views. I am genuinly not sure, if he understands what the single market even is.
Surprisingly, I find it relieving. The EU and its members won't have to be diplomatic, they are free to concentrate on the single market interests, no bending backwards.
Seriously mate I think he's got no idea of what's he talking about. He seems so out of depth. Compared to him moyes is napoleon bonaparte
No it isn't. I'm all for the right migration, and economic policies.
I didn't vote leave, but I'm happy to accept that the UK did, and live with the consequences. Not sure what part of this remain finds so difficult, basically nobody knows for sure the impact. As far as I'm aware we aren't heading to hell in a handcart just yet.
That's harsh. I don't know who he is. But what he said is pretty positive for the EU, no customs Union and no single market.
Thats the spirit
I don't think anybody finds it difficult, but it's a very patronising statement to make.
Woman just then on the BBC news regarding people voting leave saying 'we are a very thick city'
We haven't left just yet either...
... but all the signs are that the downside to Brexit will be very hard on the UK for many years to come whilst not one single global leader has come forward and said we've done the right thing in their opinion unless you're willing to count Kim Jong Un. Meanwhile Theresa has said the points migration system so favoured by the Brexit group would be more damaging for the UK than our present system and our Brexit minister seems to be arriving at the conclusion that free trade with the EU will not be possible on the terms we wish to dictate.
Pick from any of those reasons and the hundreds more, there's plenty for Remain to find difficult, to be less than happy about and for us to refuse to just live with the consequences and shut up because ... democracy or some such bull.
Are you saying that Corbyn is only fighting this leadership campaign and not pursuing any other broader political issues?
Just popped in the thread for a laugh.
Seems the main Brexiters have on the whole disappeared from the thread and the staunchest apologists for Brexit keep claiming they voted Remain
Seems the main Brexiters have on the whole disappeared from the thread and the staunchest apologists for Brexit keep claiming they voted Remain
Well yes and no. Yes it seems Corbyn is at looking to somewhat broader political issues but overall I think he's focusing on the leadership race. Also the chances are Corbyn doesn't actually know what to do about the EU(Calling for a 2nd referendum like Smith has done means Labour are dead up north), but that's hardly a criticism as it seems no one in the country knows what to do.
Woman just then on the BBC news regarding people voting leave saying 'we are a very thick city'
The vast majority are struggling then...?
Let's just keep rerunning the vote until you get your way.
I don't know who he is. But what he said is pretty positive for the EU, no customs Union and no single market.
Its not harsh at all. His strategies keeps being shot down as illegal or impractical. For example He first suggested that trade deals can be made with the individual EU countries which is of course illegal and then he thought that the UK can remove all the EU laws and then re-introduce them back which has now, been proven, to be impractical. These are the sort of things that we, as EU immigrants, with no idea about EU law knew. He's the Brexit minister FFS. Shouldn't he knew something about the EU?
Is it too unfair to allow the three stooges to fudge a deal with the EU and then vote whether the British accept that or not?
Well I voted for Brexit, and have forgot all about over the last month. Obviously the true impact is gonna kick in when the negotiations begin.
It'll be a great feeling having our laws back, and no longer being bossed around by foreign bureaucrats no one's heard of. The immigration side of things will be tough I think. I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.
It'll be a great feeling having our laws back, and no longer being bossed around by foreign bureaucrats no one's heard of. The immigration side of things will be tough I think. I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.
I guess marrying certain Brits is yet another job no British person wants to do. Just ask Ms Farage
On the contrary, all the signs are that Britain has weathered the initial storm perfectly well - the economic indicators are favourable at present. The preferences of 'global leaders' in respect of the behaviour of other nations tend to be based on political self-interest and ideology - the wishes and welfare of the countries citizens figure well down the list of priorities.
When a nation acts in a 'selfish' or self-interested way, upsetting the applecart of established relations with other countries, the international community reacts unfavourably. It doesn't mean the nation is wrong. OPEC was less than popular when they formed their little cartel and held the West to ransom on oil prices; but their people benefited. All of Western liberalism loved Gorbachev; the only place he was detested was Russia.
The EU has been embraced by liberalism as the latest embodiment of their pursuit of will-o'-the-wisp idealism. Obama is a liberal cliche - of course he dislikes Brexit. The international community and media are also governed by liberal assumptions, which, in particular, are given free rein when they have no skin in the game.
The hot air of politicians means nothing. So far the real economic indicators in the real world are fine. But we'll be in a position to make a better assessment in five years.
My opinion has always been that just as developed European countries haven't benefited greatly from entering the EU, Britiain won't lose greatly by leaving it.