Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
Good thread
What are the chances Bercow disallows the meaningful vote tomorrow?
@F-Red
There is plenty of high quality quantitative data backing up everything I’ve said, also been posted and discussed in pages before in this thread. Look it up or do your own google search!
Not sure of your point.
There is plenty of high quality quantitative data backing up everything I’ve said, also been posted and discussed in pages before in this thread. Look it up or do your own google search!
Not sure of your point.
Tbf I've not seen any really reliable hard data on leavers switching to remain either. I think a lot of remainers overlook how entrenched leavers' views have become.
It really isn't just the old either, if you say go up north to East Yorks, where I'm from.
From leave voters yes. Remainers will come out as per the last one but Brexit voters could wonder what the point is.
Low I think
There is an argument that they cant bring the same bill back
But they are bringing it under different legislation I believe so on those grounds I think they are probably ok.
Unless somebody tries to take control of the order paper under so24?
I think he will allow it on monday... equally I suspect hes not happy at the process and this may well be reflected in how the debate is chaired and any amendments selected
How can I be wrong about something that hasn’t happened yet
Anyways aggregate poll of polls is a far superior indication than any snap poll which will have many inherent issues
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...olls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html
That is one poll which you seem to like posting
Whilst I think it would be a tight result, I’d be fairly confident of a remain win by a few percentage points.
Did you read the article ?How can I be wrong about something that hasn’t happened yet
Anyways aggregate poll of polls is a far superior indication than any snap poll which will have many inherent issues
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...olls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html
Your argument.
I offered an opinion on something that hasnt happened yet. Hence I can’t be wrong.
I posted two polls(These are the latest polls to have come out, thats why I posted them)
Which is fine and I agree thats something that could happen. But there is nothing to suggest at the moment Remain would easily win another referendum.
I like your optimism but its based sadly on nothing.
I posted two polls(These are the latest polls to have come out, thats why I posted them)
Which is fine and I agree thats something that could happen. But there is nothing to suggest at the moment Remain would easily win another referendum.
I like your optimism but its based sadly on nothing.
Given that last time the remain campaign was fighting a fairytale like an easy trade deal, keeping all our money, sunny future and no problems but this time they'd be campaigning against a defined deal that it's easily provable would result in making us all poorer, that the supposed Brexit dividend will be dwarfed by the Brexit costs, that it will destroy manufacturing, that it will probably lead to the break up of the UK, that it will reduce our influence and prestige throughout the world, that the government wants to burn workers' rights, food standards and environmental protections and everything else that's wrong with Brexit, I think remain would win this time too.
Don't forget poll bias. I think there is a significant poll bias in favour of remain unfortunatelyThat is one poll which you seem to like posting
Whilst I think it would be a tight result, I’d be fairly confident of a remain win by a few percentage points.
Last edited:
I think Remain would probably win a second referendum - as you say Brexit is now incredibly tarnished, and while it has its proponents, those proponents are espousing an increasingly negative vision in which anyone who doesn't conform to their grim worldview is incredibly treacherous.
But my concern with any Remain campaign is who leads it. Swinson is the leader of the biggest most explicitly pro-Remain party UK-wide, but isn't a great speaker and seems to have a fairly remarkable misunderstanding of a lot of the current ailments within the UK, and she's hardly an inspiring figure for Remainer leftists or younger people considering her coalition record. Sturgeon is solid on Remain issues, but obviously isn't going to lead either side in a UK-based campaign. Starmer is Labour's obvious choice, but then Labour as a whole continue to send out mixed messages on Brexit and don't know where they're at; Corbyn's Eurosceptic history would remain an attack point in any second vote.
Wouldn’t disagree.
I like your optimism but its based sadly on nothing.
Please tell me a Leave Manefesto beyond jingoism that can’t be debunked within a 60 second google search.
Are you suggesting poll bias systematically favours remain. Why would that be?
I'm arguing against the idea anyone should be utterly convinced that Remain would easily win a 2nd referendum, not that Remain can't win.
Yeah, seen before, good luck with that - what a load of bollox.
Your world is as real as you make it!
Honestly it must be great living in your world.
Or they could tell a complete pack of lies, worked for Leave last time.
I agree in my opinion it's easier to work for the Leave campaign because you can sell this wonderful fantasy, whereas Remain you can only promise things will remain the same.
Will be debunked with credible evidence this time around. Sure racists and xenophobes will fall for it, but that’s not enough for a majority.
No one will be able to claim any reason other than being a racist or xenophobic this time around.
Last edited:
Just drew against the run away league leaders on and ended their 17 game winning run.
As I said, upto you how you define your world and surroundings.
But you can’t, that would be a lie too. The EU will integrate further. That is something remain never discuss and should be considered.
Quite, until things go considerably wrong these people will still cling on to the fantasy.
Not so sure, they will still say that the BoE and Osborne said the economy would collapse after the vote, which of course it wouldn't unless the Uk left straight after the vote but it will suffer when the UK actually leaves.
Of course they will. Some of my best friends and a few family members voted leave. None are either racist or xenophobic. Such a lazy argument. Some people just want independence and full democratic control of their country’s destiny. And what is wrong with that? Seriously.
This is why it’s such a travesty that Labour aren’t a remain party. Labour and the Lib Dem’s as Remain parties could both campaign on a platform of that remaining doesn’t mean things have to return to how they were in 2016. They can have bright future within the EU, with economic stability and all the extra money saved by cancelling Brexit can be flooded into the NHS and national infrastructure.
They could truthfully come up with their own “We could be spending £millions Brexit, but how about we use it to find the NHS” slogan on the side of a bus.
An impact report is going to have to be produced for Johnson’s deal, that in itself is going to write the Remain’s talking points.
They may have done before, and if they aren’t racist, it’s because they believed claims that have now been totally debunked.
What is wrong with that view is the catastrophic economic and societal impact it would have on the vast majority of people who didn’t vote for it (over 44 million).
If they cant explain what benefits Leave has to UK, I will think of them as racist, if they vote same in a future referendum.
Last edited:
It will derail the thread to much but this isn't true at all. And it worries me that people think this way.
It’s as true as you make it.
I am dead against Brexit but even me, I am tired of delaying. Get us another referendum or put us out of our misery.
Are you trying to sell me some healing crystals ?
Does anyone have any idea yet what this is going to look like for Brits and the ability to work abroad? Fingers crossed my permanent residence for Canada goes through but if it doesn't go through in time and I have to return home while we wait, I'd rather go somewhere else other than back to the UK but if this goes through I've got the feeling I won't be able to just go elsewhere.