He got rid of the backstop in GB by making it pretty much permanent in NI which was even more than what the EU offered May initially. Putting the level playing field stuff into the political declaration just means they will have to satisfy the EU before agreeing an FTA so how that translates to GB being able to flood the EU with non EU stuff is a bit of a mystery.
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He got rid of the backstop in GB by making it pretty much permanent in NI which was even more than what the EU offered May initially. Putting the level playing field stuff into the political declaration just means they will have to satisfy the EU before agreeing an FTA so how that translates to GB being able to flood the EU with non EU stuff is a bit of a mystery.
I must admit to be enjoying watching the DUP get run over by a bus.
It's east to forget that (according to the FT) this deal will still reduce by UK's economy (-7%) by almost as much as no deal (-8.5%) so all in all, it's still absolutely terrible.
Political declarations mean nothing. Malta/Italy added a sentence in the Lisbon treaty regarding immigration and its worth less then then the ink it's been written with
Let me repeat my question. What is stopping the UK from flooding the single market with non EU complaint products through NI?
Has the DUP been abandoned by No 10? Lisa O'Carroll; Guardian
A view in Northern Ireland is that the DUP have been totally shafted, or “run over by a convoy of juggernauts”, and for once lost out in their hallmark brinkmanship.
This could rise to further tensions in the region, making it vital that there is “no crowing in Dublin”, one source said.
The DUP, which had been the lynchpin in Theresa May’s government, have seen their powerful position rubbed out kkthis morning in Brussels and some in Northern Ireland are saying they believe that this was Boris Johnson’s calculation all along: get a deal and have a general election whether he gets it through parliament or not.
“This has not gone well for the DUP. This is a huge moment for the DUP, and it is going to create huge tensions on the unionist side. Northern Ireland continues to be collateral damage in Brexit,” said the source.
Some believe that the DUP’s statement this morning was about forcing further concessions from Boris Johnson. But the moment the deal was done the door was closed in their face. That said it may well be that Johnson lavishes the DUP/Northern Ireland with a jacuzzi of cash in the next two days to bring them back on board.
The Northern Ireland secretary, Julian Smith, was in Derry recently to discuss the establishment of a new medical school and there has been repeated talk of money for a motorway from Derry to Belfast. But sources say “this is of no interest to the DUP because that is Sinn Féin territory”.
So if the DUP have been sold a dummy pass, how did that happen? Could Dominic Cummings have come up with a cunning plan to persuade them to drop regulatory alignment in exchange for a veto on the deal, a veto that he knew would never get through? That is a question yet to be answered.
Others point out that the DUP took a huge step agreeing to yield on regulatory alignment with the EU and this was not matched by the EU/Dublin.
They felt that this was not recognised by Dublin and they were “very annoyed” when Leo Varadkar made an off-the-cuff remark in Sweden days later that the British public actually wanted to stay in the EU but it was politically impossible.
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If Parliament reject this deal, will the EU grant an extension?
I think Boris might be proposing this deal knowing parliament could probably reject it and the EU say enough is enough and we leave without a deal.
Pfft you're looking at the glass half empty!
I think Boris might be proposing this deal knowing parliament could probably reject it and the EU say enough is enough and we leave without a deal.
Pfft you're looking at the glass half empty!
Really. Over 90% of it is the same as the TM deal which he campaigned strongly against.
So here's Kuenssberg's tweet this morning. The spin itself is impossible not to notice. Johnson has achieved the impossible, she essentially claims.
And later on, Peston tweets the Downing Street brief on how they are going to "sell" the deal and put a positive frame on it. Funnily enough, exactly the spin that the BBC's Political Editor decided to apply to it earlier this morning. Do some people still seriously believe she is unbiased?
The customs border down the Irish sea and the fact that NI will be abiding by EU standards and regulations. Not only that but the fact that NI is significantly Pro EU particularly in Stormont.
And the rest is worse.
Parliament will reject every deal. Pointless having an extension.
NI will also be aligned with the UK right?
They'll be aligned with the UK customs union in name only. Legally they'll be following EU customs, single market and VAT rules by and large.
You're either in and following the rules to the letter or you're out. That's the way you safeguard the integrity of one's market. It would also be interested to see if NI will follow the ECJ rules and regulations and what are the repercussions if NI decides to shun its responsibilities and start closing an eye on products being flooded from the UK into the single market.
In practice and simple Terms what does this mean?
That the UK including NI will be negotoiating their own trade deals, but as a result of any trade deal the goods going in and out of NI have to adhere to EU rules?
Im a bit confused about the whole out of the customs Union / applying EU rules thing. A practical example is probably going to help me understand it
Edit: For example, if the UK leaves the Customs Union and then strikes trade deals with other countries - NI will be included as part of that trade deal? So if for example cars were then imported into the UK under that deal the cars going into NI have to meet EU Standards and not UKs? Is that how it would work in basic terms?
That is the reality of this situation. We were lied to that leaving would be easy. Utter rubbish.
We were lied to that leaving would make us better off. Utter rubbish.
We are being told that leaving will be an end to Brexit. Utter rubbish.
Here's Gove looking under the influence yet again.
I still go back to what i said previously, they've calculated that appearing compromising is better electorally than going into an election with no deal.
The ERG in their excitement of getting rid of May forgot that the likes of Gove and Boris don't really care about Brexit.
The ERG in their excitement of getting rid of May forgot that the likes of Gove and Boris don't really care about Brexit.
Yes , Brexit will go on for many years whether there is a deal or not.
Brexit imo has very little to do with the EU but internal British politics with a heavy sprinkling of nationalism and xenophobia thrown in.
And everyone wants something different.
We're now actually back to the near beginning of negotiations which was the original EU suggestion and two and a half years of pointlessness and chest-thumping which will never stop until someone says that's enough.
As I understand it NI would remain under the ECJ also. NI will effectively be in the the EU single market and customs union with respect to the areas the EU have assessed as most critical to the integrity of the single market such as agri-food for example. There is provision in the deal for agreed exemptions and personal items traveling from GB to NI when someone moves from GB to NI is the example quoted in the deal. NI is pro-remain and will likely continue to become even more pro-remain in the coming years so the chances of them agreeing to turn a blind eye to GB flooding the EU with unregulated products via NI is never going to happen, particularly considering the amount of EU funding NI receives.
Wow, for "ministers are concerned" read "get on board or we're offering a border poll".
This is like Ed buying Maguire for 80M and claiming genius, when we could have got him for 60M last year. If I were May, I would be fuming, had she got his through Boris and Mugg would have ripped her to shreds.
Are you sure about the ECJ though?
No its far worse than that.
Yeah it's more like buying Rojo using Nani and still paying his wages. Right?
but but Churchill said eating your words is a very nourishing diet
Juncker just said there shouldn’t be an extension
Juncker saying no extension
feck.
He's only saying that because he wants parliament to pass the deal.
Seems to be posturing but if Macron says the same thing then it might br serious
I don't think the EU will grant an extension. There needs to be a meaningful deadline at some point.
I could perhaps see them granting an extension for a referendum that includes a Revoke option... maybe. I think they probably don't want us to stay though, as a vote to remain would only be temporary and we'll end up triggering A50 again at some point in the next decade to do it all again.
I could perhaps see them granting an extension for a referendum that includes a Revoke option... maybe. I think they probably don't want us to stay though, as a vote to remain would only be temporary and we'll end up triggering A50 again at some point in the next decade to do it all again.
BREAKING: Juncker rules out Brexit extension
BBC
The President of the European Commission rules out granting an extension to the Brexit deadline of 31 October. Jean-Claude Juncker tells reporters there is no need for an extension now there is a deal on the table.
The European Commission President says he spoke to Boris Johnson about the prospect of an extension.
Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters: "I was ruling out that there would be any kind of prolongation. If we have a deal we have a deal and there is no need for prolongation. That is the British view and that is my view too."
Asked about whether the Commons would allow it, he said: "I am not in charge of Parliamentary affairs of Britain."
BBC
The President of the European Commission rules out granting an extension to the Brexit deadline of 31 October. Jean-Claude Juncker tells reporters there is no need for an extension now there is a deal on the table.
The European Commission President says he spoke to Boris Johnson about the prospect of an extension.
Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters: "I was ruling out that there would be any kind of prolongation. If we have a deal we have a deal and there is no need for prolongation. That is the British view and that is my view too."
Asked about whether the Commons would allow it, he said: "I am not in charge of Parliamentary affairs of Britain."
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Mini Caption Contest: Boris Sings The Blues
Yes, but we're not going to get to the point of a referendum unless the option is still available. Unless the 27 shoot Juncker down quickly over this position, MPs will feel like its this deal or no deal and probably vote it through without major amendment.
Thank feck for that.
"I would walk 500 miles,Mini Caption Contest: Boris Sings The Blues
and I would walk 500 more,
if we build that bridge to Northern Ireland..
wait, how many miles more?"
Fingers crossed that's correct.
