Barnier confirming that the DUP won't have a veto, simply majority vote in Stormont to renew every 4 years.
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how does he get around the Benn act?
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Presumably the EU cannot grant an extension until and unless asked to do so. Whilst the Benn Act requires this, there is still some nagging doubts about how Boris may try to get around this somehow. Also the EU Leaders seemed to have ignored the Barnier warning to stop all talks yesterday morning, this apparent rejection of their own negotiators recommendation might signal some differences, or at least some possible misunderstanding amongst the ranks of EU leaders?
Timing is everything just now, you have to wonder if Boris /Cummings have after all judged it correctly, and/or its going to be one big feck up!
Either he is going to have to swallow that, or as is being rumoured the EU are done negotiating for sure now and wont agree to an Extension.
Meaning for Parliament it is this or no deal. And who knows how that will Play out on Saturday.
So, does it mean you're leaving now or there's a chance that it will be blocked by the Parliament or postponed?
This.
So what the feck does Corbyn want? Now he says that May's deal was better. Does he refuse just to refuse or what?
God, I hope the EU answers "feck off without a deal then" if it's blocked.
Democracy here is not representing the will of the people though is it. The DUP have no majority in their own area. The people don't want the whole thing to fall down on the whim of a party most had never heard of until 2 years ago.
It's politicians looking out for self interest which is why there is a high chance any deal gets voted down. They're not interested in what's best for the people, they're interested in what's best for their careers.
Corbyn wants to use BrExit as a mechanic to become PM. Just as BJ wants to use BrExit remain PM.
Doubt either really gives a fcuk about BrExit itself.
Been saying this since he first came to prominence. He has no interest in governing or being constructive in any way. He made his name on being a thorn in the establishment's side and that's what he continues to do. If he wasn't the Labour leader he'd be out climbing on train carriages today.
So now some guy on the BBC is saying Boris might not even bring this before parliament on Saturday unless he was sure he could win.
WTF has been the Point of it all then?
WTF has been the Point of it all then?
In the current construct of parliament, DUP has enough influence to stop things which affect them which they dont like.
Regardless of your view on motivations of politicians, I’d say right now and on this issue, they have the right amount of influence.
That would be the clincher. MPs of all parties would be presented with the choice of deal or no deal.
Farage also coming out against BJs deal.
‘It’s simply not BrExit. Frankly I think it should be rejected’.
‘Benn act stops us leaving on 31st. Would prefer a GE over this deal’
‘It’s simply not BrExit. Frankly I think it should be rejected’.
‘Benn act stops us leaving on 31st. Would prefer a GE over this deal’
Parliament needs to get the wheels moving on a 2nd ref asap. I've heard it could take 6 months or more to be held. So even if the issue of what the question/s will be is not decided, there's a pretty good chance now that we're going to end up needing a referendum to sort this mess.
Lets say this goes through and Stormont votes every four years on whether to remain aligned to the EU rules or to drop them.
In the case that they voted to drop them, arent we then just back to the same Argument about a hard border?
In the case that they voted to drop them, arent we then just back to the same Argument about a hard border?
As I understand it, yes.
I guess that the decision at least sits with the people of NI. Which seems fair. I'm not sure it will do much to help harmony though.
I think he does. Because if he has MPs in parliament, which he will if we don’t leave by 31st, he can people influence the hard BrExit he desires.I'm starting to wonder if Farage is actually wanting a GE more than brexit now.
But contravenes the GFA?
As I understand it, there is a two year 'cooling off period' built in after they vote to drop the EU rules, but yes, after that it's the same dilemma around the border as now.
The EU/Ireland is basically taking a calculated risk that there will always be a majority in Stormont to stay aligned to EU rules.
How do you take refuse just to refuse at him pointing out Mays deal is better? Every economic analysis shows Boris deal is twice as damaging.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn criticised the deal, saying: “From what we know, it seems the prime minister has negotiated an even worse deal than Theresa May’s, which was overwhelmingly rejected.
“These proposals risk triggering a race to the bottom on rights and protections: putting food safety at risk, cutting environmental standards and workers’ rights, and opening up our NHS to a takeover by US private corporations.
“This sell-out deal won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. The best way to get Brexit sorted is to give the people the final say in a public vote.”
“These proposals risk triggering a race to the bottom on rights and protections: putting food safety at risk, cutting environmental standards and workers’ rights, and opening up our NHS to a takeover by US private corporations.
“This sell-out deal won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. The best way to get Brexit sorted is to give the people the final say in a public vote.”
Breaking: The UK and the EU have AGREED upon a DEAL to blame the DUP
That's all this is really. A big game of hot potato, the EU are delighted to avoid taking the blame for no-deal Brexit, and Boris gets to say he got his deal, gets a People vs. Parliament GE, and they all pin the blame on the DUP. Wouldn't even be surprised if the EU reject an extension--either way, I expect the Govt. to swiftly launch a legal challenge to the Benn Act, probably upon the basis that EU Law is superior to it, and thus without any repeals, the Deadline stands. It's still heading towards No Deal.
That's all this is really. A big game of hot potato, the EU are delighted to avoid taking the blame for no-deal Brexit, and Boris gets to say he got his deal, gets a People vs. Parliament GE, and they all pin the blame on the DUP. Wouldn't even be surprised if the EU reject an extension--either way, I expect the Govt. to swiftly launch a legal challenge to the Benn Act, probably upon the basis that EU Law is superior to it, and thus without any repeals, the Deadline stands. It's still heading towards No Deal.
Interesting to see what happens now - without DUP's support will ERG support the deal (I suspect they will) and will it get through Parliament? (no idea)
As Corbyn says, he wants exactly the same benefits of being in the EU without being in the EU. I.e. he will never approve any deal unless it is his own which would not be possible to negotiate.
Well
Jacob Rees-Mogg is speaking now and is very much behind it, and just called on his group to back it, and the DUP to back it. All pressure applied to DUP.
If Corbyn whips his MP's few will vote for the deal. Even if most of those Boris kicked out vote for his deal along with all Brexiteers and the DUP, won't he still be a few votes short?
Yep. Can’t see how he gets the numbers without Labour, regardless of what DUP decides.
Gove saying that vote on Super BrExit Saturday will take place, so long as parliament passes that request in vote in an hours time.
Still fudging about benn act as he claims we will leave on 31st. ‘We’ll see what happens in next few days’
Still fudging about benn act as he claims we will leave on 31st. ‘We’ll see what happens in next few days’
Imagine one of the biggest, most complex and potentially damaging deals ever resting on the hands of the fecking DUP.
Why not? Northern Irish have feelings too!
They wont give a feck. Whats going to happen? People in England may be upset at them. So what they will say. It wont impact them at the Ballot box and if the deal doesnt pass its most likely going to be a no deal which they dont give a feck about either.
The history of the DUP tells us they will dig in regardless of pressure.
Not sure that's true. My sister-in-law lives in a traditionally strong Labour constituency (didn't count the labour vote just weighed it!) it voted overwhelmingly to Leave and she seems convinced her MP expects to get deselected and so whipping will not change his mind. There may be a quite a few Labour MPs in this position, both Leave and Remain and all are likely to ignore any whip Corbyn applies.
Not enough of them most likely.
Boris got the deal he wanted on his terms
He got the deal the EU wanted and May turned down.
He got rid of the backstop and there is nothing to stop the single market from being flooded by non EU stuff apart from the UK's good will
Not really, this deal is the original deal proposed by the EU and Ireland.