Yes in a way it is - there can be no power sharing if there is no power to share.
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Yes in a way it is - there can be no power sharing if there is no power to share.
Under his proposal, Irish lorries in Ireland would be checked even if they were't leaving Ireland if travelling to northern Donegal.
My head actually hurts
My head actually hurts
Exactly, if both parties are in breach of the GFA they can hardly expect others to be held to account?
Or does two breaches (one either side) = no breach, or two wrongs make a right?
Don't stress the details, no doubt they have thought long and hard about this and have a clear solution. It's all going to be oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook.
No deal in a matter of weeks confirmed by Boris (well essentially that is what he is saying) - God help us.
From Ireland's POV, is this deal better than no-deal? It doesn't seem significantly better, that's for sure.
What's the play now? Reject it and hope the Remain Alliance manage to bring down Boris? He probably won't have the numbers to get it through parliament anyway so is there any benefit in accepting it?
What's the play now? Reject it and hope the Remain Alliance manage to bring down Boris? He probably won't have the numbers to get it through parliament anyway so is there any benefit in accepting it?
I'd imagine in a no-deal scenario they'd have to go through Ballyshannon to get to Donegal without checks right?
No-deal is the worst outcome for everybody involved but Ireland and the EU simply cannot be seen to accept such a deal - politically it is impossible, economically it would be a disaster and not only that it breaks an international peace treaty. They simply cannot accept this deal - so no-deal is sadly inevitable at this point. At least Ireland will continue to receive support from the EU to try and mitigate some of the damage, the same cannot be said of the UK who will have essentially burnt their bridges with the EU who will undoubtably seek to punish the UK by being very strong in negotiations for future trade deals (i.e. they will be shite).
The political cost from accepting this would indeed be very heavy. I don't even know if they would accept this or not if they knew for sure that Boris could pass it through parliament. As it is he can't pass it through and, with a VONC and GE around the corner, I don't see the point in Ireland risking the political cost with potentially 0 benefit.
They'll reject it as a workable solution but a bad deal.
Project fear.
Surely the likelihood is that the Government doesn't agree a deal, the Benn Act means an extension takes place and then we have a General Election meaning the deadlock will finally be broken in Parliament, probably in the favour of remain as Boris will be seen to have failed?
Too optimistic?
Too optimistic?
Wildly optimistic. But not impossible.
That would be the best outcome at the moment.
And over how many months as well?I liked one of the lines that 70hrs has been spent on it as that's supposed to be an impressive number. We'd class that as a small project in my place
I'm just imaging the scene where they came up with this new policy, boris shouting for creativity and someone underlining the word near on the white board, what's near? 1 mile? Let's just have them 2 miles away then!! Spiffing
Think this sums it up quite well.
Like every Tory, everything is for sale and can be sorted with money.
And with a DUP veto
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So yet another trial balloon being floated to make it look like they are trying to get a deal..
She's so ridiculously credulous. I guess she didn't think it was worth asking or clarifying how it differs before tweeting on behalf of the government,
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Where’s the rest?
Guardian has links to both docs. I wouldn't bother with Boris letter and go straight to govs explanatory notes. They're not good though....
So the plan is basically dont bother checking much stuff?
So basically the same thing the UK have done for three years
"We propose an alternative to the backdrop, it's unacceptable"
"Ok great, what is it?
"What is what?"
"Your alternative.."
"How the feck should I know? You come up with one"
"We propose an alternative to the backdrop, it's unacceptable"
"Ok great, what is it?
"What is what?"
"Your alternative.."
"How the feck should I know? You come up with one"
He is asking for the 'very small number of physical checks needed to be conducted at trader's premises or OTHER POINTS ON THE SUPPLY CHAIN'.
Where are these other points? Who is going to complete these physical checks? That's physical infrastructure on the island and some form of border check which is exactly what they (UK) promised would never happen.
What is a very small number by the way? 1% of all goods to be checked would still be hundreds of vehicles being checked every week at least.
do you think he will even bother going to the EU summit - because I don't think there is going t be much discussion going on
If they're already going half way by keeping NI in the single market then why won't the stupid c*nts keep them in the customs union and solve every problem? Christ.
Surely at some point both Johnson & the EU are going to realize that Brexit isn't achievable without the backstop or some kind of alternative.
There's simply no way to have a hard border between ROI & the north, which makes a no deal Brexit impossible without violating WTO rules & regulations as far as I can see.
The whole "consent of NI Executive and Assembly" is a total misnomer which basically translates to the consent of Unionists given the requirement for cross community majorities to opt in to the renewal every 4 years.
what happens if the northern ireland assembly isnt sitting as well - because lets be honest given how long its not been sitting for now its not hard to imagine a situation where it completly breaks down again in the future...
thats said i cant see these proposals lasting the day before the EU have shot them to pieces
Pretty sure the EU have known that from the very start.That's exactly it, the DUP would have a veto within the assembly via the petition of concern and failing that could just collapse the assembly to let the renewal lapse.
It's not April 1st, surely this can't be a serious attempt at a proposal.
If they had a self-reliant, working majority they could have gone for a NI-only backstop on the provision that it gets accepted by the Northern Irish in a referendum. But the DUP and some hardcore nationalists within their own party won't let them do that, as they'll see it as ceding territory to the EU.
They're snookered at the moment, with no deal as their only way out.
They're snookered at the moment, with no deal as their only way out.
Exactly - it's a deal done with the DUP on the assurance that they veto the entire thing as soon as possible.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/836030/Explanatory_Note.pdf
Over three years and this is what they come up with.
Nobody can be this stupid.
Over three years and this is what they come up with.
Nobody can be this stupid.
Do we have any pro-brexit folk here that can shine any light on how this is actually a great deal?
Asked what would happen in regards to the border and border checks if Northern Ireland’s democratic institutions voted to end regulatory alignment with the EU, the official said: “That’s a discussion we will have closer to the time.”
That right there sums up how ridiculous this government is. Just imagine how much tempers will flare when that inevitably happens.
That right there sums up how ridiculous this government is. Just imagine how much tempers will flare when that inevitably happens.
True but it's never been sold that way. You get idiots like MArk Francois using WWII comparisons and convincing people that the EU is screwing the UK over.