Churchill would be proud.
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Churchill would be proud.
Impossible to write what I think about her and Javed without getting banned!
Both make my skin crawl: far more dangerous than BJ.
The words are poorly chosen especially given Brexit senstiivities over the "EUSSR". I'm not sure the word 'empire' is useful or accurate given its historical usage, but the idea that the future is multipolar, and is one of large competing economic and political blocs, seems pretty inarguable. The idea that EU can be a counterweight to that by magnifying small countries' influence, is surely one of its benefits.
It's ok, we'll give you a free pass
And history teaches us that all empires fall, eventually.
History also teaches us that being in the EU = peace in Europe.
I believe now that the Supreme Court will rule against the government. Might make a thread about it if there's sufficient interest.
History teachers teach history.
Based on what?
Yeh, except that not entirely true, or to be more accurate, true at all. NATO was far more responsible, among other factors.. Including two major wars which effectively ended the reign of European imperialism. Then there was the US who funded the rebuilding of Europe, learning from the mistakes made post WW1.
Sounds good. This thread, much like brexit actually, has become all-encompassing
The case against GCHQ speaks for justiciability, and the pretty iron clad evidence in the CoS judgment if it is judged justiciable. As the secret barrister twitter said about the evidence 'This is really bad.' There's a couple of good articles that have come out about it in the last day or so [especially one from Allison Young], mostly drawing on the same principles. Still not heard a squeak from Nick Barber mind.
I'd certainly be interested
Also I'd be very interested to know what the next steps would be... Ie would it simply be you shouldn't have done it but carry on as you are... Or is there something more tangible (recall parliament etc)
It's a civil action, so just a public spanking for BJ. On whether they can make an order to recall parliament, I'm not sure. They'd expect the government to do that anyway if they lost, but unsure what enforcement action they could take if they simply refused.
Impeachment? A criminal trial for treason? It's so totally unchartered.
Conservatives will say "get us out of the EU at any price"
Liberal Democrats will say "keep us in the EU even if there are two referendums and both say leave"!
Labour will say Errr.. to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld "reports that say Brexit mustn't happen are of interest because we know there are known knowns, there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns, that is too say there are some things we know we don't know"
The obvious answer is that he don’t give a feck. Who needs those greedy, no-good corporations anyway. Let them leave. Unemployment? We’ll create state jobs instead, mate.
This is surely the epitaph for our current precedence based Constitution?
Aye. The constitutional questions at play seem pretty simple, but the shockwaves from them anything but. I don't think they'd refuse though, it's a genie that not even BJ would want to unleash.
Not even in his 'incredible green' state?
"Don't make him mad... you won't like him when he's mad"
The buffoon was mad last week, and he just lost more! He'll be super mad when his law officers are compelled to resign and then testify against him at his treason trial.
I’ve heard the ‘equity distribution’ policy before and I just can’t see how it will work, without driving ownership away. I don’t really agree with a big state in general but I can understand the benefits. This particular policy really seems a shoot-in-the-foot one though
Yeah I get the feeling in this they will be politically toothless to change anything
Equally if he does not submit a letter on 19th October I wonder what practically the options are?
Presumably people either take legal action to impeach or to force him to submit the letter.
I would have thought both those processes would take some time... Especially if fought in court and appealed and of course there would very much be limited time
Quite possibly complicated by at that point it's possible (probable) there has been a confidence motion and he's in the 14 day period anyway to try and show a majority
Is there any realistic timetable for what are quite unprecedented scenarios.
I'm interested in why you think that
Pretty much all the policies listed are shoot-in-the-foot. And when you combine them all together, they are suicidal before you even compound them with the effects of Brexit. Imagine you have a company and your options are to:
a) be based in the UK where you are out of the Single Market and have to pay tariffs, you have to give 10% of your equity away, you have to pay one of the highest corporation taxes in Europe (Labour plan to raise it to 26% from 19%), you have to pay extra levies for the salaries of your directors and high earners, and salary limits forbid you to attract the best talent. Or...
b) be based in the Eurozone somewhere like Ireland and pay 12.5% corporation tax with no strings attached and Single Market access.
Every multinational will move their tax base elsewhere. And pretty much all companies that operate here will struggle to some extent with some having to move out altogether. Which is basically what every business lobby group has been screaming about.
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Brexit reaches Hollywood!
Yeah I’d agree with the CT stuff though I think most big companies will have set their taxation up to be able to dodge the lions share of it anyway.
And allowed to go completely unchallenged by Marr.
Always thought Corbyn’s economic plans in their last manifesto were profoundly stupid. Leave the EU, go on unprecedented public spending whilst making us really unattractive to foreign investment. Seems to me they’d create a bubble before a major economic crash.
Fact is that Ireland are attracting major companies and are the one of the fastest growing economies in the world currently.
How is banning unpaid internships wealth redistribution?
It’s pretty pathetic really when interviewers cannot even do the most basic research to challenge a politician. I mean it’s been all over the news when she was appointed to the Cabinet that she made those comments.
I wasn’t knocking Ireland, I was just saying that companies will already be taking as much loss in areas of high CT as possible and as much profit in a low CT country, so the rise in rate doesn’t mean as much as it looks. Unlike the equity share which I don’t suppose you cant escape from in the same manner?
It's generous to call it pathetic. The research was either done and ignored, or they had no intention of properly scrutinising her.
I wouldn’t have thought so. Ireland’s corporation tax rate is often cited as a key driver in attracting foreign investment, however.
Corbyn will make the UK unattractive to foreign investment on multiple levels though, leaving the SM will exacerbate that significantly.
I was asking what policies would the parties implement.
btw I had to laugh when someone mentioned 'state theft' when mentioning Nationalization.
I suppose there was no such umbrage about balancing the budget on the back of those just trying to make ends meet.
Great. Wonder what working for the state in finance is like? Kind of against my principles, you know, to not be trying to make money
Well, obviously it isn't. I was just going through his most controversial policies by the time I was down to 4.
That was me. It's amusing that you find state theft funny almost as much as your whataboutism that followed up.
I'm all for higher personal taxation to balance the scales more towards those struggling. But I'm not quite buying it that Corbyn's policies will make things better. Call me a cynic.
feck this country. Stop the planet, I want to get off. Send me to Mars ffs.
Are the Lib/Dems pushing that?
I don't consider dismantling the Welfare state funny tbh.